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The children of God are them who are saved, yes?
To me it means we are no longer tossed to and fro. We now have an abba father nit a spirit of fear we belong to Christ. It is his workmanship in molding us. He who began that good work will
Wonderful! Now show me the scripture that says having faith is me working to earn salvation.
Christ doesn't intercede for unbelievers. That's what this thread is all about—this stupid new version of osas that says Christ rejecting, Christ denying unbelievers are saved. You'd be better off going back to the old version of osas that says they were never saved to begin with.
That's exactly why there is no boast in 'believing'. It's only by God's grace made available to you that you can believe in God's forgiveness.
Of course not! He intercedes for the reborn. Which are reborn through His death and resurrection. Which is once and for all finished. By Jesus Christ Who changes not, and remains forever the same, our High Priest, giving us live in His life.
You are horribly misusing that scripture. God's promise to the Jews is what is irrevocable. There are many Jews who had the promises but who lost them. But the nation of Israel will never fail to be the recipient of God's promises. There will always be a remnant alive to inherit the blessing promised to Israel. Paul uses himself as evidence of that. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Osas.
That's not the point. If you want to respond, respond to what I said. Not just try to dance me in circles. That's beneath both of us.
Just give me a scripture. That's what you need to do. Show me my believing is me trying to earn my own salvation.
You can't seem to respond, and can only seem to try to deflect. OK. I'm not surprised.
No, no, buddy. You're saying my believing is me working to earn my own salvation and take credit for it. You need to step up with some scripture. The ball is in your court. I'm leveling a direct challenge to your unscriptural accusation of me. You, apparently, are the one that can not respond. Prove to me that you can respond....show me the verse that says 'believing' is me trying to earn my salvation and boast about it.
The first Osas teaching in the church (circa. 1500, or so) taught that if a 'believer' stopped believing they didn't stop believing, they never really believed in the first place. That's why I said Marks would be better off going back to the original Osas teaching. At least it didn't say an unbeliever (one who stopped believing) was a saved person. It said they were never really saved to begin with. I can live with that. At least it agreed that you had to keep believing to the very end to be saved. If you didn't, you were just showing yourself to not ever be a real believer.
