new version of OSAS?

[marks]

Your pride isn't keeping you from letting it go, is it?

Actually, it's just a terrific opportunity to illustrate when a person pulls out all the stops to deflect and avoid.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Actually, it's just a terrific opportunity to illustrate when a person pulls out all the stops to deflect and avoid.

Much love!

Keep the false accusations coming, lol! It's hard to just walk away, isn't it? That's your pride, friend. Get born again. Get victory over the flesh.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

How Nice!

Since you keep repeating over and over what you say I've said but that I've not said. That you keep on ad nauseum about how I won't answer your objections to what it is I did not actually say. But no . . . you don't want to rub anyone's nose . . .



But neither do you wish to actually engage with my posts, other than to try to distance yourself from having to answer.

Much love!

So, I have to keep answering your questions, and you keep telling me I'm not answering them? Don't you see your problem? You want me to answer them with YOUR answers. That's why you keep saying I'm not answering them.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If only you knew, BB, if only you knew, lol! I might fill you in soon. When I close my account here. Stay tuned.

Close your account? God answers prayers for certain! How can I help you “pack-up”....DUDE! Lol..... For every “Springboard” that could not
Stand the “ heat” and “ left the kitchen”.... there are 50 other gospel Perverts waiting in line to spew their ignorance about how “Jesus Saves—- BUT ,once you know “ that”...... you gotta do this or you gotta do that to STAY Saved.... like “ Repent Of all of your sins before you die” or “ Refrain from any Willful Sin ,because those sins done on purpose aren’t covered by the Blood Of Jesus”..... I can’t help but wonder what form the next “ Accursed” so- called “ Gospel” will take.....one thing is for sure—— it won’t take long for a Weak,Confused,poorly taught man to pick up Mr.Buller’s perverted mantel.....


You are still needed as a “ Springboard” , but if you have to leave...Thanks for the months of Inadvertently Helping us Meat - Eaters get the True Word Of God out there for the Newbies.....there is always a “ Remnant” out there that doesn’t fall for False Gospels like You and “ justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance” Spew......

Please come back when you are ready to preach Meat.....like, “ Nothing But The Blood” ....You erred when you tried to go beyond that....learn that Nothing actually means “ NOTHING”......”Dude”....( an expression that wasn’t even “cool” 50 years ago when it was popular)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Close your account? God answers prayers for certain! How can I help you “pack-up”....DUDE!

Lol, God as my witness.......

You are so predictable. You are supremely arrogant. Beyond remedy, I think. I knew you'd take credit if I decided to leave, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

For every “Springboard” that could not
Stand the “ heat” and “ left the kitchen”....

Supremely arrogant.

I no longer consider you a saved brother.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Please come back when you are ready to preach Meat.....like, “ Nothing But The Blood”

This is why I must consider you an unsaved person. I plainly showed you the 'nothing but the blood' gospel is the milk of the word. When someone can't see that plain truth in plain words of scripture you have to consider that person an unbeliever. If you are saved, your arrogance shows you're still a suckling baby. I'd show you the reference but I know you don't read Bible quotes (you said so) and you've also said your sinning doesn't matter to you. Teachings about not behaving arrogantly are the meat of the word. You're not eating that solid food yet. You're still drinking the milk of the word and thinking you're a grown up.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You erred when you tried to go beyond that....learn that Nothing actually means “ NOTHING”......”Dude”....( an expression that wasn’t even “cool” 50 years ago when it was popular)

To guard your ego I'll let you have the last word. I'm not unfamiliar with how the devil works and I definitely see he's using you and someone else to work his agenda in my peaceful life. You've been going full steam in that agenda of wickedness for a while now. Of course, you will deny this. You not caring about the harm you do to people in your abrasive demeanor tells us all we need to know about you. You'd care about that if you had the Spirit of God in you. I'm not going to play into the devil's hands by arguing with you about you. Maybe we'll talk in another thread.

Hope you can get some help......

 

[michaelvpardo]

Why does anti-osas HAVE to mean salvation is earned by works?

Justification is secured by believing and trusting in Christ's completed but ongoing ministry in heaven. If you stop believing, his ministry is no longer interceding for you before the Father. You are lost. And if you resist God's efforts to get you to reconsider you will be turned over to that unbelief and God will never allow you to come back. So it has nothing to do with you not doing works to earn salvation. It has everything to do with whether or not you're going to keep believing. Thus the repeated exhortations in scripture to keep believing.

Sorry, but you're greatly mistaken. When you receive the Holy Spirit through prayer and belief in the person of Jesus Christ, you are sealed for the day of redemption with His Spirit and there is nothing in scripture that says God will remove His Spirit and leave you to your fate. On the contrary there are multiple passages that assure us that He will never leave or forsake us and none of them are conditional. Of course, if you're a Christian in name only, never having received Him, there are no such guarantees.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14
Salvation is not earned, it's a gift of God's grace. Saying that we have to do anything to earn it exalts us at the cost of God's glory. If unbelief were enough to cost someone their salvation, you and many others in the world would be in serious trouble (If you don't believe His word, you don't believe Him.)
While there are many verses that assure us of our salvation, the Lord Himself made it quite clear in one unqualified statement:
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24
Jesus couldn't have said it more plainly than this, so if you love the Lord don't make Him out to be a liar.

 

[Brakelite]

If unbelief were enough to cost someone their salvation, you and many others in the world would be in serious trouble

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life,

Aren't the above two quotes from the previous post a contradiction?
How can anyone be saved without faith? Isn't it you and numerous others who remind everyone that we are saved by faith and not works? Now you are saying we don't even need faith???

 

[Tong2020]

No, no, buddy. You're saying my believing is me working to earn my own salvation and take credit for it. You need to step up with some scripture. The ball is in your court. I'm leveling a direct challenge to your unscriptural accusation of me. You, apparently, are the one that can not respond. Prove to me that you can respond....show me the verse that says 'believing' is me trying to earn my salvation and boast about it.

May I ask, do you work out your salvation?

Does doing good works or doing God’s commandments in the likes of those found in the law of Moses get you saved or gets you to remain saved, since you were already saved?

Tong
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[JunChosen]

Honestly you sound like a JW.

Sound like and is one are two different things. I've already asserted I'm not one

And you don't even know me!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Who were never saved that you refer to?

The first Osas teaching in the church (circa. 1500, or so) taught that if a 'believer' stopped believing they didn't stop believing, they never really believed in the first place. That's why I said Marks would be better off going back to the original Osas teaching. At least it didn't say an unbeliever (one who stopped believing) was a saved person. It said they were never really saved to begin with. I can live with that. At least it agreed that you had to keep believing to the very end to be saved. If you didn't, you were just showing yourself to not ever be a real believer.

So then, those who did not continue were not really believers but unbelievers, right?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

The saved, born again Galatians stopped believing.

Did they stop believing in Jesus as the Messiah? If in your view, they did, please show in scriptures that they did.

If they were born again and were saved, and stopped believing as you contend, what happened to them in so doing? Did they die when they did, and were saved no longer, or what?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

I answered this (1 Samuel 10:6), and because you don't like that answer, because it doesn't line up with your predetermined beliefs, you rejected it and claim I did not answer you.

Again, be careful not to misuse said passage.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

I'm not new to on-line forums either. I've been doing this long enough to know that it's because you don't have a good answer to my challenge that you have to find fault in me. Just give me the scriptural basis for your accusation that someone telling you to keep believing is them telling you that you are trying to take credit for your salvation and earning it by thinking you must continue to believe to the very end.

May I ask, are you arguing that there could not be any one, who teaches that by continuing to believe will keep themselves saved, that boast and takes credit for that?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

marks said: ↑
However. Jesus is the originator and consumator of our faith.

Yep! And you can take, or you can leave it. Your choice. The Galatians took it, then decided to leave it!

And that is a picture of one who either did not really have understanding of who Jesus is, or of one who have not truly made up his mind regarding Jesus Christ.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Don't tell me, lol. Tell Jesus who chastised Nicodemus for not knowing about the born again experience from the OT scriptures that he was supposed to know since he was a teacher of Israel.

If Nicodemus, who was Israel’s teacher, did not know of being born from above, what does that make of the Israelites (more so then the Gentiles)?

Jesus did not really chastise Nicodemus in my view. He was Jesus was dismayed that Nicodemus did not understand such things, for he was a teacher of Israel.

Tong
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[Corlove13]

I've said that repeatedly but you're answering something in your own mind, not my statements. Obviously the topic troubles you as it does all holders to works oriented notions of salvation.
How much is enough?

In your post 547
Your words are: Sanctification is a life long process, just as salvation is, but it is the work of God and it is impossible for God to fail. Paul expressed his confidence as such:

But it is us living in the right relationship with God..
So on one hand....you say it's the work of God.....but here you fail to mention any part we play?

 

[JunChosen]

The saved, born again Galatians stopped believing.

Is that why you are not saved?

A saved born again person cannot stop believing, that's an impossibility; because he is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Just as there is no such a thing as a "carnal" Christian!

Can you as a white person change yourself into a black person or vice-versa?

To God Be The Glory