I'm Pretty Sure That Jesus Wasn't Talking About This

[April_Rose]

I stand corrected.
When you do not steal from a store you're submitting to the Government.


Which question? Abortion?
The question was without warrant in the first place--I'd already said we obey God if Government demands we sin.

1. That and it's just common courtesy and against the Ten Commandments to do so.

2. There you go. Kamala Harris doesn't have a godly bone in her body,.. and Joe Biden,.. well,.. I just feel sorry for the old bloke as he got roped into all of this and has one foot in the grave already.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Whoa, whoa, whoa wait!!! Hold on a second and rewind back to the first part you said. The only reason that Jesus took it is because He was taking our punishment. He probably would have fought back otherwise. Second of all,.. that makes it sound like God wants us to be in abusive relationships and what about children who are abused by their parents? Also, the government is currently pushing for communism. Does that mean that we're just supposed to sit back and let them have the absolute power over us? I don't think so!!! That's why I'm going to be writing to my congressman next week and fighting back even if I have to do it all on my lonesome,.. even if nobody on here believes that I can. God wouldn't stand for all of this and tagging @JohnDB because I'm really curious what his comments are about this. America was founded on Christianity, so if it were against God to have the right to bear arms,.. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be stated in the US Constitution and we wouldn't have our military. God bless our troops!!!

Let the same mind of Christ be in you.

 

[GracePeace]

1. That and it's just common courtesy and against the Ten Commandments to do so.

2. There you go. Kamala Harris doesn't have a godly bone in her body,.. and Joe Biden,.. well,.. I just feel sorry for the old bloke as he got roped into all of this and has one foot in the grave already.

1. Irrespectively... it is also submission to Government.
2. What does "there ya go" mean? We obey God. Is that a "revelation"?

 

[Grailhunter]

Peter erred, according to Christ, when he attacked the servant in the Garden.

Whether he errored or not...? My point was simply that he was not a pacifist, also in light of the fact that Christ told them to buy swords. And they acknowledged that they had two.
I am telling you what happened, you guys have to figure out what it means. I am not concerned.

Fundamentalist = believe Bible. Which religion can we belong to without the Bible?

As far as this statement...All Christians believe in the Bible, but define Fundamentalism.

 

[April_Rose]

Here's even bigger proof that Kamala is a devil woman. She won't even salute the US military figuratively or literally!!!!




Kamala Harris Is The Ultimate Dishonor

 

[Amazed@grace]

Imagine this world where there are over a billion Christians. Imagine if not one of us defended ourselves ever . Imagine how we'd live when the predatory types knew about those verses and our full compliance to them.
We'd have nothing. Because they know we won't defend ourselves when abused, and will assist them when they intend to rob us. In person or in court.

 

[April_Rose]

Let the same mind of Christ be in you.

Thanks, same to you brother.

1. Irrespectively... it is also submission to Government.
2. What does "there ya go" mean? We obey God. Is that a "revelation"?

Yes we obey God and don't obey them how difficult is that concept for you to understand?

 

[GracePeace]

Whether he errored or not...? My point was simply that he was not a pacifists

Peter hadn't even been baptized into Christ or received the Holy Spirit at that point.
He was bound to err.
Don't make the mistake of misrepresenting pre-salvation Peter as post-salvation Peter.

...also in light of the fact that Christ told them to buy swords. And they acknowledged that they had two.
I am telling you what happened, you guys have to figure out what it means. I am not concerned.

1. I don't know. To hack at brambles when they went to preach the Gospel?
2. We know historically the Apostles were martyred, and did not fight back, so we see how they interpreted His Words.

As far as this statement...All Christians believe in the Bible, but define Fundamentalism.

I just believe the Bible in context (literally, poetically, etc).

 

[GracePeace]

Here's even bigger proof that Kamala is a devil woman. She won't even salute the US military figuratively or literally!!!!




Kamala Harris Is The Ultimate Dishonor

Caesar was a devil, but the Apostles submitted as long as he didn't command them to sin.
If God's aim was to have people rebel against Government, Daniel couldn't have become a Government official.
Clearly, God wants us to be orderly and to glorify Him by being submissive not rebellious.

 

[GracePeace]

I am telling you what happened, you guys have to figure out what it means. I am not concerned.

1. I don't know. To hack at brambles when they went to preach the Gospel?

Recall that this was in contradistinction to His having previously sent them to Israel "alone", and "not the way of the Gentiles", but that He was now going to be sending them into "all the nations" (Gentiles). For what? To "make disciples"--preach the Gospel. Maybe they needed to hack brambles apart--one thing is for certain, they didn't fight when they were martyred.

Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered

Do "sheep" fight back or aren't they "slaughtered"?
Did "God's Lamb" fight back?
So aren't you trying to overturn the Scripture?
Jesus said : "Get behind Me satan--for you are concerned for the things of men not of God!"
It sounds "reasonable" for men to rebel, but it isn't in Scripture.

 

[GracePeace]

Yes we obey God and don't obey them how difficult is that concept for you to understand?

We obey God.
God : "Submit to Government--unless they say to sin."

"...how difficult is that concept for you to understand?"

 

[GracePeace]

Imagine this world where there are over a billion Christians. Imagine if not one of us defended ourselves ever . Imagine how we'd live when the predatory types knew about those verses and our full compliance to them.
We'd have nothing. Because they know we won't defend ourselves when abused, and will assist them when they intend to rob us. In person or in court.

Imagine how much more we would glorify God if we would trust Him instead of "relying on our own understanding".
"We'd have nothing" : better than gaining the world and losing our souls.

 

[Grailhunter]

Peter hadn't even been baptized into Christ or received the Holy Spirit at that point.
He was bound to err.
Don't make the mistake of misrepresenting pre-salvation Peter as post-salvation Peter.


1. I don't know. To hack at brambles when they went to preach the Gospel?
2. We know historically the Apostles were martyred, and did not fight back, so we see how they interpreted His Words.


I just believe the Bible in context (literally, poetically, etc).

Kool...so be martyr. May I recommend a Moslem country.

so we see how they interpreted His Words.

Well they made their mistakes...They thought He would return soon.

Again I am not a fundamentalist...so I am not worried about it.

 

[Grailhunter]

]

 

[GracePeace]

Kool...so be martyr. May I recommend a Moslem country.

so we see how they interpreted His Words.

Well they made their mistakes...They thought He would return soon.

Again I am not a fundamentalist...so I am not worried about it.

1. For clarification, the point of Christianity isn't just "go die".
2. You are criticizing the Apostles as "mistaken" for having been martyred? Yeah, you've got nothing to say to me on this.

 

[amadeus]

What?? American patriotism and Christianity go hand in hand and clearly you've missed everything that has been said thus far. Now can you sail under the command of a pirate? Or can you not? *Ahem* Sorry about that last part mate I was getting a bit carried away.

I strongly disagree with you on this. I will say no more unless you ask me.

 

[GracePeace]

Well they made their mistakes...They thought He would return soon.

1. "Soon" is relative. With God, 1,000 years is as a single day according to Scripture.
2. Some interpret that literally, believing it referred to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Imagine how much more we would glorify God if we would trust Him instead of "relying on our own understanding".
"We'd have nothing" : better than gaining the world and losing our souls.

Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.



For know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. 1Corinthians 6:19-20

Exodus 22:2-3 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.


Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 24:11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.

Ezekiel 33 "6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'

Luke 22:35-39 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." 38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." 39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him.

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not murder.

 

[GracePeace]

Well they made their mistakes...They thought He would return soon.

2. Some interpret that literally, believing it referred to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

They're called Preterists.

 

[APAK]

@April_Rose I guess you are being hit yet again by the usual ignorant antagonizes that do not seek truth...

Romans 13: 1-7 for example is all about being 'subject to' or accountable to the local and even national authorities. The words 'subject to' is much more accurate that the extreme 'submit to' as in being a slave.

Note that back in Paul's time and before, most if not all people were slaves to their governments. Not today however. We do not have at least official or overt slave ruling governments (they do covertly operate that way though). No believer is to be a slave to any human government as their master today. Remember this context as you read Paul's words.

Paul's intentions were for believers to survive and thrive within the boundaries of human government for their own survival, they were especially cruel centuries ago. He did not want constant rebellion by believers. They would certainly die or land themselves in prison.

Paul called these authorities or powers, for the purposes of law and order, security and for the general peace, ordained by God himself. Further, Paul never intended he or any other believer to submit to worshipping idols and heretic or pagan religious doctrine, and they did not. They avoided this and dismissed this evil and always disobeyed. Yes, they paid taxes and performed their civic duties etc. They showed respect to authorities and good-will. Paul emphasized good works and to be a good worker, as an obedient slave, in front of pagans and pagan authorities.

If the human government is cruel, dictatorial, heathen, a believer is persuaded to work with these authorities if possible. If not, escape, rebel, go to prison or die for God's sake and glory. God's ordained human authorities abide in God's will for our good. If an authority is evil or opposes the will of God and his ways, are we still to submit/ be subjected to it? No, of course not, we always serve God.

I think we had an example of this evil with a very disobedient foreign government who did not serve God and his people. In the American Colonies a Revolution erupted. What a cruel, murdering, and demoralizing English governance that was indeed. It had to go, for God's peoples' benefit that eventually formed a better government, although never perfect of course?

I wonder if this American experiment is coming to an end?

APAK