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michaelvpardo

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You couldn't be more wrong. Jesus checks back in with us for the works that faith produces at the resurrection.......

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:44-46
Howdy brother. I'm not looking for another go round and its pointless really. Only the Holy Spirit convinces one of the truth and nearly everyone makes the gospel more complicated than it needs to be, but have you considered that when Jesus described that judgment you quote in Matthew 25:44-46, that He was just addressing the issue of religious hypocrisy?
There are absolutely 2 different judgments in scripture. The Bema seat, translated as the judgment seat of Christ and the Great White throne judgment at the end of the age following the 2nd resurrection. Jesus used the word "Gehenna" when referring to hell and Gehenna was the name of the garbage dump outside Jerusalem where there was constant burning in fire pits. The same place had been a site of idolatrous practices in worship of Molech, where human sacrifice was performed on infants, "passing them through the fire", literally burning them to death in the hands of a metal idol heated by internal fire.
The outer darkness is mentioned in the books of the law and is a reference to those outside the camps of Israel during the wilderness journeys, outside the covenants of Abraham and the law of Moses (the gentile nations.)
When our Lord confronted the scribes and pharisees, his primary complaint against them was their hypocrisy and he addressed this many times, both plainly and in parables.
If you read extra biblical sources about the pharisees, you'll find that they practiced very strict codes of behavior, adding many things to the law (like keeping your left hand hidden in your cloak when not using it.) They did these things out of fear of God and modern rabbinical Judaism was founded on their traditions. If you enter a synagogue you'll often find an open seat or bench called Elijah's seat. It's open for his return before the coming of their messiah ( they didn't recognize Jesus and are still waiting.)
There's nothing in scripture that says that all who stand at that first judgment seat or even those granted entry into His kingdom are all Christian.
What did Christ say about rewards at that judgment?
You left that out of your quote because it doesn't support your understanding.
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ Matthew 25:37-40
Most people assume that Jesus was only speaking to Christians at the Bema seat judgment, but that's impossible given the "goats on the left."
But what was He actually teaching?
41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward.” Matthew 10:41-42
This gospel is not the gospel upon which the Lord builds His church, but certainly is within the "limits" of the Everlasting gospel. God's grace is far broader than we imagine, but it all still comes down to believing the Lord and doing what's right, even if that is as little a thing as giving a cup of water to a disciple out of the fear of God. I don't believe in a "universalist " salvation, but there is more here than is commonly understood and commonly preached, and the propitiation of sin paid in His blood is more than sufficient to cover all of creation.
 

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A lot of assumptions about what people are believing... LOL

@Corlove13 I must have missed your previous communication with me... probably more likely that I left the conversation...
I see you have used my name again today... Sorry but... I tend to pick and choose who I am going to speak to
these days... and one on here is actually on IGNORE... so... I think I have added all I can here... This discussion
does not bring out my good side..... All this DO GOOD and BE GOOD garbage annoys me.

I come from a family of BE GOODERS and they are a nasty brood of vipers... but hey... they don't drink coffee or tea... they
don't have any tattoos... they don't entertain sinners.... they are UPSTANDING... very HIGH STANDING Christians who are so
UPSTANDING that their lives are overflowing with hypocrisy from all the things they hide within their own family and selves... Sadly....
This is what legalism does.. it births hypocrisy. Those who claim to be good and do good are liars. Those who understand that
JESUS is the ONLY GOOD ONE... live their lives in full joy and hope ( assurance ) that God will finish what HE has begun.
No license to sin as the accusation goes... simply an intimate relationship with the CREATOR... Our devotion to CHRIST is birthed from LOVE... HIS LOVE for us. What we OFFER in return is our hearts.... The BEHAVIOUR is taken care of by THAT relationship. DONE DEAL... NO having to BE GOOD and DO GOOD.

Have a nice day.
 
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Salvation

In Noah's Day ....the Ark also would save and it was Salvation. But it didn't save everyone, why?

Because the faith that saves is a faith that acts....
Why didn't the people act? Why didn't they too help build the ark, and get in the ark? The ark saved right?


You think Gen 6 may help give an answer?
This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

What did He do?

He "walked" WITH God

Think about Jesus being the beginning and the end.....He did it all...all the work is finished...He conquer death

Our Part is to walk in what is already been finished...

Basically to live out His teaching, for what He taught He also lived.

And we too will conquer this world in which we now are living....with the presence of God..
His presence is Life....and it's His life that is the force that continues to teach us How to live Holy.

If you limit grace to Osas you will never see...
Regarding Noah, he was saved not because he did this and that, and the rest of mankind did not. More so the other seven were not saved because they dis this and that. Noah was saved from being destroyed together with all mankind then by the flood because God had given grace to them. He had given them faith, faith which enabled them to believe what God told them what will happen and do what God commanded them to do, even that which to any man is foolishness. Well, you know, building a very huge ark with only the eight of them, at a place (no body of water) where no sane man would build an ark, to have all kinds of living creatures to gather and bring them inside the ark when the time comes, to gather as much food for all of them and themselves.

<<<Noah walked with God.>>>

And so we read. And that was even before the flood, right? But that is what man ought to be, walking with God. It is what God wanted. It was so with Adam before he sinned. The thing is, Noah and seven of his family, were sinners as well, like the rest. All deserved the wrath of God, even them, for all have sinned. Why they were not destroyed with the rest was God’s grace to them.

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In Noah's Day ....the Ark also would save and it was Salvation. But it didn't save everyone, why?
Salvation for Noah was like salvation if you fall out of a boat and your friend saves you....it had nothing to do with heaven

If you did not get that, let me help you with that. One’s conversion unto his salvation is the work and doing of God, not the work and doing of the person.

Again don't do anything and see what happen. Act 2:38 has nothing to do with the category of work(s) or deeds And no one is saying Good Deeds saves you....but your hatred of Good Deeds that means something.

And what do you teach regarding that matter?

All people who are not saved, down from fallen Adam’s time to the new covenant times, will be cast in the lake of fire, and experience the second death.
Although this is a common belief...I disagree.

I am on a fundamentalist forum so sticking with Bible only...the Bible only tells us that they went to Sheol...gathered with their fathers...not defined as a punishment...except death itself being a punishment....no opportunity for heaven...

Fallen man needs a savior because for one, he cannot save himself. If he could, he wouldn’t need a savior to get out from his fallen state and escape hell, the second death. He needs a savior because he is like a dead man in that regard. He is in a corrupted state, having a “body of death” where sin dwells, and a heart whose every intent is evil continually, enslaved and corrupted by sin.

Well we are close, I said, So our primary needs for a Saviour is to save us from hell...establish a relationship with the Trinity...and provide a path to heaven. Post 3047
 

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Now why do I always say.......Trust Jesus...as foundation and not something He did....even though both are important....

Because one is born from above...When they trust Jesus for who He is .....and I believe it is that force of Life one receives that moves them to continue to remain in Christ that transforms thier life. As they move forward walking in the ways of Christ the blood is continually applied.
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ON THE OTHER HAND,
The foundation as to just "believing something He did before trusting in Him for who He is doesn't seem to bring about the same result.

Because as mentioned by many Osasers here, in so many words. SAY: JESUS'S BLOOD DID IT ALL...THEREFORE IF HIS BLOOD DID IT ALL...WE JUST NEED TO MENTALLY BELIEVE IT DID IT ALL....THEREFORE THEY SEE NO PLACE IN WHERE THEY ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT, BUT PASSIVE. AND ANY WORKS MENTIONED...THEY MUST SAY IT IS LEGALISM, OR WORKING FOR SALVATION. BECAUSE HIS BLOOD DID IT ALL. THEY MUST MAKE ANY PASSAGES THEY READ ON EFFORT FIT INTO THIS DOCTRINE. OTHERWISE IT IS WORKING FOR SALVATION..
THAT IS WHY OSAS..CAN BE CONSIDERED CULT LIKE...ONE CAN'T SEE OUT OF THIS LENSE...
Salvation for Noah was like salvation if you fall out of a boat and your friend saves you....it had nothing to do with heaven



Again don't do anything and see what happen. Act 2:38 has nothing to do with the category of work(s) or deeds And no one is saying Good Deeds saves you....but your hatred of Good Deeds that means something.



All people who are not saved, down from fallen Adam’s time to the new covenant times, will be cast in the lake of fire, and experience the second death.
Although this is a common belief...I disagree.

I am on a fundamentalist forum so sticking with Bible only...the Bible only tells us that they went to Sheol...gathered with their fathers...not defined as a punishment...except death itself being a punishment....no opportunity for heaven...



Well we are close, I said, So our primary needs for a Saviour is to save us from hell...establish a relationship with the Trinity...and provide a path to heaven. Post 3047
Good point...but I think that heaven in a sense is where ever God is....
 

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Regarding Noah, he was saved not because he did this and that, and the rest of mankind did not. More so the other seven were not saved because they dis this and that. Noah was saved from being destroyed together with all mankind then by the flood because God had given grace to them. He had given them faith, faith which enabled them to believe what God told them what will happen and do what God commanded them to do, even that which to any man is foolishness. Well, you know, building a very huge ark with only the eight of them, at a place (no body of water) where no sane man would build an ark, to have all kinds of living creatures to gather and bring them inside the ark when the time comes, to gather as much food for all of them and themselves.

<<<Noah walked with God.>>>

And so we read. And that was even before the flood, right? But that is what man ought to be, walking with God. It is what God wanted. It was so with Adam before he sinned. The thing is, Noah and seven of his family, were sinners as well, like the rest. All deserved the wrath of God, even them, for all have sinned. Why they were not destroyed with the rest was God’s grace to them.

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Love it!
 

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My point was clear in my post.

God is the Savior. Man is the one being saved. He is not the savior of himself.

Do you agree with that or not?

Here’s another question.

What is the reason man need a savior?
AS POINTED OUT TO ADDY

SHOULDN'T HE BE YOUR LORD........AND SAVIOR...

WHEN YOU BELIEVED THE GOSPEL.....THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO YOU.....I BET WAS NOT THAT JESUS IS WHO GOD SAYS HE IS...

THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD..........................THE CREATOR, KING, COUNSELOR, PRINCE OF PEACE, LORD.

THE GOSPEL YOU HEARD WAS JESUS DIED SO YOU CAN HAVE HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE...AND IF YOU BELIEVE THIS YOU ARE SAVED...

BUT THAT IS PART OF IT....THEY TOLD PEOPLE WHAT JESUS DID........SO THEY WOULD TRUST IN HIM....."FIRST"....MANY TRUST WHAT HE DID BEFORE THEY HAVE TRUSTED HIM AS KING ONE WHO HAS SAY OVER EVERYTHING....ETC

WHEN HE CLEANSED PEOPLE, AND HEALED PEOPLE....AND TOLD THEM TO SIN NO MORE....DID HE DO IT WITH HIS BLOOD? OR BECAUSE GOD WAS IN HIM WHERE HE WOULD BE MAGNIFIED SO PEOPLE WOULD BELIEVE ON HIM

The New Cov...bridges our lives on earth to have a relationship with God. AND IT BEGINS HERE......a relationship....if you have a relationship now....[and not talking about you individually, but any body, as "you"] then what would God do with His friends here now on earth....don't you think they would be with Him when they physically die.
As I shared in one of my post here in reply to Grailhunter, my conversion goes like this. Before my conversion, I did nothing towards that end. Here’ an excerpt of that post.

“And all of a sudden there came a point in my life that I was converted. It was a sudden unexpected moment like that of Paul’s. Now do’t get excited. I am talking of a “moment” of conversion, not the things such as happened to Paul in the road to Damascus. I received the gift of faith and so had faith, something I did not have before. Obviously there was nothing I did that could be the cause and reason why I had faith. The reason why I have faith is the work of God.”

Was I a righteous person before I was converted by God? No. Did I walk with God before like Noah? No. Yet God gave me grace and gave me faith. He saved me. That’s what happened. And I have done nothing to deserve that nor have done anything that could be reason that I was saved. Not only that. He also created me in Christ Jesus and made me a legitimate child of His, a co-heir with Jesus. Praise and thanks be to God my Savior!

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Regarding Noah, he was saved not because he did this and that, and the rest of mankind did not. More so the other seven were not saved because they dis this and that. Noah was saved from being destroyed together with all mankind then by the flood because God had given grace to them. He had given them faith, faith which enabled them to believe what God told them what will happen and do what God commanded them to do, even that which to any man is foolishness. Well, you know, building a very huge ark with only the eight of them, at a place (no body of water) where no sane man would build an ark, to have all kinds of living creatures to gather and bring them inside the ark when the time comes, to gather as much food for all of them and themselves.

<<<Noah walked with God.>>>

And so we read. And that was even before the flood, right? But that is what man ought to be, walking with God. It is what God wanted. It was so with Adam before he sinned. The thing is, Noah and seven of his family, were sinners as well, like the rest. All deserved the wrath of God, even them, for all have sinned. Why they were not destroyed with the rest was God’s grace to them.

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Where do we receive faith according to scripture
 

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Where do we receive faith according to scripture
As I shared in one of my post here in reply to Grailhunter, my conversion goes like this. Before my conversion, I did nothing towards that end. Here’ an excerpt of that post.

“And all of a sudden there came a point in my life that I was converted. It was a sudden unexpected moment like that of Paul’s. Now do’t get excited. I am talking of a “moment” of conversion, not the things such as happened to Paul in the road to Damascus. I received the gift of faith and so had faith, something I did not have before. Obviously there was nothing I did that could be the cause and reason why I had faith. The reason why I have faith is the work of God.”

Was I a righteous person before I was converted by God? No. Did I walk with God before like Noah? No. Yet God gave me grace and gave me faith. He saved me. That’s what happened. And I have done nothing to deserve that nor have done anything that could be reason that I was saved. Not only that. He also created me in Christ Jesus and made me a legitimate child of His, a co-heir with Jesus. Praise and thanks be to God my Savior!

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Galatians 2:16, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe God does it for you....?

What does John the Baptist tell the pharasees? Bring forth Fruit of repentance..

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Now explain that away....Because they could not get Baptized before this....
 

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A lot of assumptions about what people are believing... LOL

@Corlove13 I must have missed your previous communication with me... probably more likely that I left the conversation...
I see you have used my name again today... Sorry but... I tend to pick and choose who I am going to speak to
these days... and one on here is actually on IGNORE... so... I think I have added all I can here... This discussion
does not bring out my good side..... All this DO GOOD and BE GOOD garbage annoys me.

I come from a family of BE GOODERS and they are a nasty brood of vipers... but hey... they don't drink coffee or tea... they
don't have any tattoos... they don't entertain sinners.... they are UPSTANDING... very HIGH STANDING Christians who are so
UPSTANDING that their lives are overflowing with hypocrisy from all the things they hide within their own family and selves... Sadly....
This is what legalism does.. it births hypocrisy. Those who claim to be good and do good are liars. Those who understand that
JESUS is the ONLY GOOD ONE... live their lives in full joy and hope ( assurance ) that God will finish what HE has begun.
No license to sin as the accusation goes... simply an intimate relationship with the CREATOR... Our devotion to CHRIST is birthed from LOVE... HIS LOVE for us. What we OFFER in return is our hearts.... The BEHAVIOUR is taken care of by THAT relationship. DONE DEAL... NO having to BE GOOD and DO GOOD.

Have a nice day.
Very well said!.

This is what I have experienced also, and this is also what I see.. The gospel is security. It is rest from our work. It is stop being weary and heavy laden and entering the rest of Christ.
 

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Galatians 2:16, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe God does it for you....?

What does John the Baptist tell the pharasees? Bring forth Fruit of repentance..

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Now explain that away....Because they could not get Baptized before this....
THIS AN OSASERS CANT SEE IF THEY ONLY HAVE ONE VIEW OF JUSTIFICATION ....AND AS NOTED ABRAHAM WAS JUSTIFIED FOR THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH......

YALL REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO RETHINK OSAS.....
 
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So, will you not tell us how it was in your case? How were you converted? Or in line with your thinking, how have you gotten yourself to be converted?
In diapers. LOL
Yep. That should be a break. I can see that you reached the time for you to resort to jokes or make fun. Well,…have fun and enjoy your LOL.

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A lot of assumptions about what people are believing... LOL

@Corlove13 I must have missed your previous communication with me... probably more likely that I left the conversation...
I see you have used my name again today... Sorry but... I tend to pick and choose who I am going to speak to
these days... and one on here is actually on IGNORE... so... I think I have added all I can here... This discussion
does not bring out my good side..... All this DO GOOD and BE GOOD garbage annoys me.

I come from a family of BE GOODERS and they are a nasty brood of vipers... but hey... they don't drink coffee or tea... they
don't have any tattoos... they don't entertain sinners.... they are UPSTANDING... very HIGH STANDING Christians who are so
UPSTANDING that their lives are overflowing with hypocrisy from all the things they hide within their own family and selves... Sadly....
This is what legalism does.. it births hypocrisy. Those who claim to be good and do good are liars. Those who understand that
JESUS is the ONLY GOOD ONE... live their lives in full joy and hope ( assurance ) that God will finish what HE has begun.
No license to sin as the accusation goes... simply an intimate relationship with the CREATOR... Our devotion to CHRIST is birthed from LOVE... HIS LOVE for us. What we OFFER in return is our hearts.... The BEHAVIOUR is taken care of by THAT relationship. DONE DEAL... NO having to BE GOOD and DO GOOD.

Have a nice day.
You missing the answers is between you and God...But remember other people read the thread who hearts may or may not be tied into OSAS...and are listening to learn....not to defend for the sake of pride.
I love you even with all that is in your heart...but God can change your heart...that is the reason I write....Trust Jesus ...and Trust Him continually...it is in Him that we are continually forgiven and are transformed...peace and blessing to you....but I mean it....smile
 
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I love you even with all that is in your heart...but God can change your heart...that is the reason I write....Trust Jesus ...and Trust Him continually...it is in Him that we are continually forgiven and are transformed...peace and blessing to you....but I mean it....smile
And Blessings to you also.... I will continue to TRUST in the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST... it is the reason for EVERYTHING. You little parting words were sweet... Made my heart smile.
 
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THIS AN OSASERS CANT SEE IF THEY ONLY HAVE ONE VIEW OF JUSTIFICATION ....AND AS NOTED ABRAHAM EAS JUSTIFIED FOR THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH......

YALL REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO RETHINK OSAS.....
THIS IS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE

ABRAHAM WAS JUSTIFIED IN GEN 15, BEFORE HE EVEN LEFT HIS FATHERS HOUSE AND STARTED THE TRIP TO THE LAND WHERE GOD WAS TAKING HIM.

AND YES. I CAN YELL TOO.. IT IS RUDE TO USE ALL CAPS MY FRIEND.
 

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And Blessings to you also.... I will continue to TRUST in the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST... it is the reason for EVERYTHING. You little parting words were sweet... Made my heart smile.
Amen Addy....many people come to Jesus the way we know How...in the way we were taught. And God knows the heart.

But my purpose is to explain that the Gospel presented does not include the kingdom message. Not saying that we can't fall into it in other ways...

But they preached about the blood ...death, resurrection....in order to teach us who to Trust in.
For after trusting Jesus in EPHESIANS 1:13 one is sealed.... not after trusting the blood...even though both are important.

But you find that after receiving His Spirit [Christ being in us]His blood continues to save us as we walk by the Spirit]....

The purpose of this grace in Christ is to transform our hearts so that we overcome this world...[our actual sin] so we can relate-meaning please God...and walk with Him..His presence is Life...and it is this Life that overcomes the word, Satan and the Flesh.

I have been trying to show my father...who was a Baptist Minister, but now retired for many years.....and has His Masters in Theology..and taught New Testament survey...snd after so long as He reads I can tell He is opening up....

It took me years...until what change me...was reading that Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom....that it is available now to those who believe who He is...For believing who He is we intend to follow...It is about life in the Spiritual kingdom under the rule of Christ.
To live by His life....that is what communion is symbolizing....

But I know that this topic can make people mean...its hard when we throw our extra 2 cents in...and then because of pride try and win at any cost then...no one really listens to each other much of the time because feelings have been hurt.

I put 3 on ignore....not because they are bad people but because ....I am sensitive...smile and my little feelings get hurt easily
 
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If you did not get that, let me help you with that. One’s conversion unto his salvation is the work and doing of God, not the work and doing of the person.
Again don't do anything and see what happen. Act 2:38 has nothing to do with the category of work(s) or deeds And no one is saying Good Deeds saves you....but your hatred of Good Deeds that means something.
Haven’t I told you yet what happened to me? I was converted by God and so is saved. Now that God saved me, why do you seem to still want me to do something to be saved? Must I do good deeds to be saved or remain saved or in love and gratitude, and to honor, serve, and please God my Savior and Lord? Well, I choose the latter.

<<<…but your hatred of Good Deeds that means something>>>

Obviously that is another case of ad hominem and a false accusation. And to prove that you are wrong regarding that, let me say, love God and your neighbor, by doing what is right and what is good. If you take that as hatred of good deeds, well,,,,.

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And what do you teach regarding that matter?
All people who are not saved, down from fallen Adam’s time to the new covenant times, will be cast in the lake of fire, and experience the second death.
Although this is a common belief...I disagree.

I am on a fundamentalist forum so sticking with Bible only...the Bible only tells us that they went to Sheol...gathered with their fathers...not defined as a punishment...except death itself being a punishment....no opportunity for heaven...
okay. So, no one of them is going to heaven. I’ll go read about some people in those times in Hebrews 11, if they go to heaven or not.

So your position is no hell or second death for the unbelievers or unsaved who lived during those times?

How about resurrection? In your belief, will they be resurrected or not? I guess they will not. For in what you say there, there seems to be no purpose in their resurrection, as there is no one going to heaven or hell, is that right?

Of course, I disagree with all of that as I see they go against the truth in scriptures.

Tong2020 said:
Fallen man needs a savior because for one, he cannot save himself. If he could, he wouldn’t need a savior to get out from his fallen state and escape hell, the second death. He needs a savior because he is like a dead man in that regard. He is in a corrupted state, having a “body of death” where sin dwells, and a heart whose every intent is evil continually, enslaved and corrupted by sin.
Well we are close, I said, So our primary needs for a Saviour is to save us from hell...establish a relationship with the Trinity...and provide a path to heaven. Post 3047
Perhaps you see that as close, but nonetheless, not saying the same thing.

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A lot of assumptions about what people are believing... LOL

@Corlove13 I must have missed your previous communication with me... probably more likely that I left the conversation...
I see you have used my name again today... Sorry but... I tend to pick and choose who I am going to speak to
these days... and one on here is actually on IGNORE... so... I think I have added all I can here... This discussion
does not bring out my good side..... All this DO GOOD and BE GOOD garbage annoys me.

I come from a family of BE GOODERS and they are a nasty brood of vipers... but hey... they don't drink coffee or tea... they
don't have any tattoos... they don't entertain sinners.... they are UPSTANDING... very HIGH STANDING Christians who are so
UPSTANDING that their lives are overflowing with hypocrisy from all the things they hide within their own family and selves... Sadly....
This is what legalism does.. it births hypocrisy. Those who claim to be good and do good are liars. Those who understand that
JESUS is the ONLY GOOD ONE... live their lives in full joy and hope ( assurance ) that God will finish what HE has begun.
No license to sin as the accusation goes... simply an intimate relationship with the CREATOR... Our devotion to CHRIST is birthed from LOVE... HIS LOVE for us. What we OFFER in return is our hearts.... The BEHAVIOUR is taken care of by THAT relationship. DONE DEAL... NO having to BE GOOD and DO GOOD.

Have a nice day.
Also ..no one is good but God right?
But God give us His son, that in/through Him we do what the Law could not do because of the weakness of the flesh[mans natural ability]
Because now we have a super power living in us.

So as we trust in Jesus...our heart changes
this is why Osas is so wrong...because it results much of the time in untransformed lives....But it is in the transformation through working out our salvation that we receive Life and Peace...It is real true life that you really know you have...that keeps you running.
The love of God and communion of the Holy Ghost.

So as the heart changes the out side does too...


Asked where is Love found? 1 Timothy

And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

This is why we must abide in Him...
I LIKE HOW WILLARD PUTS IT:

The familiar words of Jesus are “Without me you can do nothing” (John 15:5). But these must be balanced by the insight that, in general, if we do nothing it will certainly be without him.
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@Tong2020
"how much faith isn't really the issue, but whether you exercise it or not is."

Jesus says in Matt. 21:21

If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
 
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