new version of OSAS?

[Grailhunter]

Yep. That should be a break. I can see that you reached the time for you to resort to jokes or make fun. Well,…have fun and enjoy your LOL.

Tong
R3724

LOL When I was in diapers and riding around on my tricycle I was singing hymns. I was in a Christian collage at the age of 15 and would have been there sooner if it weren't for issues with my family.

 

[Tong2020]

Galatians 2:16, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe God does it for you....?

What does John the Baptist tell the pharasees? Bring forth Fruit of repentance..

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Now explain that away....Because they could not get Baptized before this....

<<<What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe God does it for you....?>>>

No, God does not repent for me. What God does and works out in and on me is to bring me to repentance, something that on my own could not work out nor bring myself to do nor will to do.

And why do you want me to explain away the passage you quoted? In contrast, please tell me what the passage is telling you. What was John referring to, in context, as “fruits worthy of repentance” ?

Tong
R3627

 

[Corlove13]

<<<What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe God does it for you....?>>>

No, God does not repent for me. What God does and works out in and on me is to bring me to repentance, something that on my own could not work out nor bring myself to do nor will to do.

And why do you want me to explain away the passage you quoted? In contrast, please tell me what the passage is telling you. What was John referring to, in context, as “fruits worthy of repentance” ?

Tong
R3627

When I say explain away it in in reference to...not seeing much in the way it is intended because you must explain it from the box of osas....And I say that with no ill will....but because that is the way it is....therefore it is explained away in that box.
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IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW I SEE IT....IT MATTERS WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAY IT SAYS.....AND OUR EXPERIENCE SHOULD LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE.

 

[Tong2020]

Amen Addy....many people come to Jesus the way we know How...in the way we were taught. And God knows the heart.

But my purpose is to explain that the Gospel presented does not include the kingdom message. Not saying that we can't fall into it in other ways...

But they preached about the blood ...death, resurrection....in order to teach us who to Trust in.
For after trusting Jesus in EPHESIANS 1:13 one is sealed.... not after trusting the blood...even though both are important.

But you find that after receiving His Spirit [Christ being in us]His blood continues to save us as we walk by the Spirit]....

The purpose of this grace in Christ is to transform our hearts so that we overcome this world...[our actual sin] so we can relate-meaning please God...and walk with Him..His presence is Life...and it is this Life that overcomes the word, Satan and the Flesh.

I have been trying to show my father...who was a Baptist Minister, but now retired for many years.....and has His Masters in Theology..and taught New Testament survey...snd after so long as He reads I can tell He is opening up....

It took me years...until what change me...was reading that Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom....that it is available now to those who believe who He is...For believing who He is we intend to follow...It is about life in the Spiritual kingdom under the rule of Christ.
To live by His life....that is what communion is symbolizing....

But I know that this topic can make people mean...its hard when we throw our extra 2 cents in...and then because of pride try and win at any cost then...no one really listens to each other much of the time because feelings have been hurt.

I put 3 on ignore....not because they are bad people but because ....I am sensitive...smile and my little feelings get hurt easily

I think that when they say they trust in the blood of Jesus, it goes without saying that they trust Jesus. It is just another way of saying they trust Jesus.

Tong
R3628

 

[Corlove13]

Galatians 2:16, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

@Tong2020 Please explain how we are Justified by the faith of Jesus.....or how we might be?

 

[Tong2020]

LOL When I was in diapers and riding around on my tricycle I was singing hymns. I was in a Christian collage at the age of 15 and would have been there sooner if it weren't for issues with my family.

Well, I was not asking really when, but how. Now, we are close to losing the issue. So let me take you back. How were you converted?

Tong
R3629

 

[Corlove13]

I think that when they say they trust in the blood of Jesus, it goes without saying that they trust Jesus. It is just another way of saying they trust Jesus.

Tong
R3628

No it's not....that is the Big reason people do not agree here...and are not in fellowship with one another...

Trusting Jesus as the Son of God/ Lord is the Foundation....It is the Foundation of entering the kingdom with Life[born from above] transferred into the kingdom of His dear Son.

This is how we are born from above

Trusting Jesus is not taught as the Gospel, the Good news of the life in the Kingdom under His rule...

Trusting rather in what He did is the Foundation of osas.....that is why your answers and thoughts only proceed from whence.

You must be made alive first.....

Your doctrine teaches you you are alive(born from above)...before many are made alive...that is the problem

 

[Grailhunter]

Well, I was not asking really when, but how. Now, we are close to losing the issue. So let me take you back. How were you converted?

Tong
R3629

All I knew was the love of Christ....from the time I had a memory....family was Christian. If you always believed in Christ...is the word converted applicable?

 

[Corlove13]

This just came to me, "Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

It is said in James 4:8 [read it all, I'm going back to read it]

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Be back later this is Good stuff

 

[Tong2020]

When I say explain away it in in reference to...not seeing much in the way it is intended because you must explain it from the box of osas....And I say that with no ill will....but because that is the way it is....therefore it is explained away in that box.
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IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW I SEE IT....IT MATTERS WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAY IT SAYS.....AND OUR EXPERIENCE SHOULD LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE.

So, you ask me to explain, but with the presumption that I will be explaining it with bias. Well, is that right? So why would I explain it when I know that even before I do, it is already taken as wrong?

So, with what you say there, what does that passage say (not how you see it as you put it)? What does John mean, in context, when he said “fruits worthy of repentance”?

Tong
R3630

 

[Corlove13]

So, you ask me to explain, but with the presumption that I will be explaining it with bias. Well, is that right? So why would I explain it when I know that even before I do, it is already taken as wrong?

So, with what you say there, what does that passage say (not how you see it as you put it)? What does John mean, in context, when he said “fruits worthy of repentance”?

Tong
R3630

It's like when a teacher gives a spelling test
The child learns that frown...is not spelled froun.....

He gets a check mark ...it's first marked wrong

.....because he and she can see just where they went wrong in order to help Him learn the right way. Showing him other ways in which another blend makes the same sound.

Therefore now when He hears the word another ideal given can remind Him the first way was wrong and He can now correct His spelling and bring meaning to others that reads his writing.

 

[Corlove13]

It's like when a teacher gives a spelling test
The child learns that frown...is not spelled froun.....

He gets a check mark ...it's first marked wrong

.....because he and she can see just where they went wrong in order to help Him learn the right way. Showing him other ways in which another blend makes the same sound.

Therefore now when He hears the word another ideal given can remind Him the first way was wrong and He can now correct His spelling and bring meaning to others that reads his writing.

 

[Corlove13]

I'll be back later...I have to go take a shower and makes some money...

But I will be back to answer your post @Tong2020

But think about what Jesus says.....

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Remember Addy's post 3083

"What does she say, All this DO GOOD and BE GOOD garbage annoys me"

I understand what she means....but it is how we end up fulfilling the law in Christ...not outside of Christ....legalist cant walk to please God if they strive to please man...can they...

The Bible say seek peace,
Trust in the Lord, and do good; dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness Psalms 37:3



47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

And who is our rock today?

Isaiah 28:16

Therefore thus says the Lord God,
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone,
A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed.




49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

 

[Grailhunter]

In Noah's Day ....the Ark also would save and it was Salvation. But it didn't save everyone, why?

If you did not get that, let me help you with that. One’s conversion unto his salvation is the work and doing of God, not the work and doing of the person.

Again don't do anything and see what happen. Act 2:38 has nothing to do with the category of work(s) or deeds And no one is saying Good Deeds saves you....but your hatred of Good Deeds that means something.

And what do you teach regarding that matter?

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All people who are not saved, down from fallen Adam’s time to the new covenant times, will be cast in the lake of fire, and experience the second death.
Although this is a common belief...I disagree.

I am on a fundamentalist forum so sticking with Bible only...the Bible only tells us that they went to Sheol...gathered with their fathers...not defined as a punishment...except death itself being a punishment....no opportunity for heaven...

Fallen man needs a savior because for one, he cannot save himself. If he could, he wouldn’t need a savior to get out from his fallen state and escape hell, the second death. He needs a savior because he is like a dead man in that regard. He is in a corrupted state, having a “body of death” where sin dwells, and a heart whose every intent is evil continually, enslaved and corrupted by sin.

Well we are close, I said, So our primary needs for a Saviour is to save us from hell...establish a relationship with the Trinity...and provide a path to heaven. Post 3047

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'll be back later...I have to go take a shower and makes some money...

But I will be back to answer your post @Tong2020

But think about what Jesus says.....

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Because they did not believe.

He who believes is not condemned

But he who does NOT BELIEVE is condemned ALREADY

 

[marks]

When I say explain away it in in reference to...not seeing much in the way it is intended because you must explain it from the box of osas....And I say that with no ill will....but because that is the way it is....therefore it is explained away in that box.

You come at this with the "intellectual dishonesty" card right at the beginning.

You say, with no ill will, OK, what does that mean? I'm calling you a liar, but don't take it personally?

Much love!

 

[Tong2020]

Galatians 2:16, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

@Tong2020 Please explain how we are Justified by the faith of Jesus.....or how we might be?

There is a righteousness spoken in scriptures that is the “righteousness of faith”, which is from God. It is contrasted to self righteousness. For the righteousness of faith, is not a righteousness gained by the doing or working of the person nor by the works of the law, but is a righteousness apart from works, even the works of the law. It is righteousness imputed to him who believes as Abraham believed. Having said that, read the following passage.

Romans 4:4Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
6just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

God does not justify man by works, but by faith. For it is faith that is accounted as righteousness by God.

Tong
R3631

 

[Tong2020]

All I knew was the love of Christ....from the time I had a memory....family was Christian. If you always believed in Christ...is the word converted applicable?

Not that one was born from a Christian family, that he is automatically a Believer or is saved. There is always a point in one’s life, of conversion, a point when he is given faith by God. Nobody was born converted.

Are you saying that you had not experienced conversion?

Tong
R3632

 

[Grailhunter]

Not that one was born from a Christian family, that he is automatically a Believer or is saved.

You are right. But I was.

There is always a point in one’s life, of conversion, a point when he is given faith by God. Nobody was born converted.

I don't think I was born a believer....I just do not remember a time I did not believe in Christ....from there it was additional information and dedication.

Are you saying that you had not experienced conversion?

The term conversion does not apply to me. I always believed.

 

[marks]

All I knew was the love of Christ....from the time I had a memory....family was Christian. If you always believed in Christ...is the word converted applicable?

I would say yes, only, you may just have been too young to remember.

I think all are born spiritually dead, but when we trust in Jesus, we become alive, and this is being converted.

Much love!