new version of OSAS?

[Eternally Grateful]

You said...did you know 99 percent of the religion on earth teaches salvation by works

It is lie. Plain and simple.

Really can you prove this wrong?

does Islam teach works? How about Judaism? How about so many other religions from all cultures? Can you name one world religion that teaches salvation by grace?

go ahead. I will be open and let you show Me one religion other than true Christianity that teaches salvation by grace

can you? The floor is yours

 

[Grailhunter]

does Islam teach works? How about Judaism? How about so many other religions from all cultures? Can you name one world religion that teaches salvation by grace?

You are on a Christian forum....guess what....the topic is about Christianity.

You said...did you know 99 percent of the religion on earth teaches salvation by works
This is a lie.

 

[Taken]

Sirs what must we do to be saved . BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . Let the LORD be praised .

* Confess ones belief in Jesus Christ... Amen!

And on the flip side...what is a confessed believer forgiven for?
* The Sin against God of having NOT BELIEVED.
And why, ONCE a man IS "changed" by Gods "POWER" and marvelous WORKS, the man is freed from SIN, and can SIN no more.
1 John 3:9

Can a Converted man, "TRESPASS" against "other men"....Lie, cheat, steal, etc. ?
Absolutely. IS that a SIN? No.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are on a Christian forum....guess what....the topic is about Christianity.

You said...did you know 99 percent of the religion on earth teaches salvation by works
This is a lie.

Yet you can’t prove it is a lie. And my comment has nothing to do with what forum I am on I just made a comment about the religions of the earth

hence by failure to prove that 99% of all the worlds religion is a lie. You
Make yourself a liar

why is it so hard for people like you to just admit when you made a mistake? See how Legalism has you trapped?

 

[Grailhunter]

* Confess ones belief in Jesus Christ... Amen!

And on the flip side...what is a confessed believer forgiven for?
* The Sin against God of having NOT BELIEVED.
And why, ONCE a man IS "changed" by Gods "POWER" and marvelous WORKS, the man is freed from SIN, and can SIN no more.
1 John 3:9

Can a Converted man, "TRESPASS" against "other men"....Lie, cheat, steal, etc. ?
Absolutely. IS that a SIN? No.

God Bless,
Taken

1st John 1:9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

1st John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yet you can’t prove it is a lie. And my comment has nothing to do with what forum I am on I just made a comment about the religions of the earth

No it is a straight up lie. You cannot prove something that is not there.

hence by failure to prove that 99% of all the worlds religion is a lie. You

I could care less about the "world's religions" You spend your time lying and being deceiving ....statement of faith in your religion?
I speak the truth....so what part of the Bible do you think is legalist. The Bible is not legalist. Christ and the Apostles were not legalist. Christianity is not about legalism. You and your kind use the word legalist to mean you hate all that is good and even hate the scriptures that speak of morals....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No it is a straight up lie. You cannot prove something that is not there.

yet it is there, there is only one religion in all of the earth that teaches salvation by grace, the narrow way.

and you have yet to prove that wrong

I could care less about the "world's religions" You spend your time lying and being deceiving ....statement of faith in your religion?
I speak the truth....so what part of the Bible do you think is legalist. The Bible is not legalist. Christ and the Apostles were not legalist. Christianity is not about legalism. You and your kind use the word legalist to mean you hate all that is good and even hate the scriptures that speak of morals....

Then stop calling me a liar, prove there is more than one religion that teaches salvation by grace,

Or prove you can not prove I am a liar hence you are the one bearing false witness

 

[Grailhunter]

yet it is there, there is only one religion in all of the earth that teaches salvation by grace, the narrow way.

and you have yet to prove that wrong

Let me show you what the Bible says about being saved.
To be saved
Believe that Yeshua is God and Savior.
Repent of your sins and commit to live by the Commandments of Christ.
Be Baptized.
Participate in communion.
From there the application is simple, live by the Commandments and examples set by Christ.
Love God
Love one another.
Live by the Golden Rule.
Be Good and Do Good.
Praise the Lord frequently.

Grace is what allows this. From their Christ expects you live up to morals...Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say?

Then stop calling me a liar, prove there is more than one religion that teaches salvation by grace,

This is such a stupid question. All of Christianity professes that Grace plays a part in being saved. Now you are just going to just say silly, stupid, crazy things. You think that is going to prove anything.

 

[Corlove13]

You should ask one who does not believe in OSAS for their perspective.

Glory to God,
Taken

Why

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Let me show you what the Bible says about being saved.

Still can’t prove me wrong so you have to change the subject. It’s ok, I know why

To be saved
Believe that Yeshua is God and Savior.
Repent of your sins and commit to live by the Commandments of Christ.
Be Baptized.
Participate in communion.
From there the application is simple, live by the Commandments and examples set by Christ.
Love God
Love one another.
Live by the Golden Rule.
Be Good and Do Good.
Praise the Lord frequently.

Grace is what allows this. From their Christ expects you live up to morals...Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say?

look at all the you in there, and you can’t admit you believe you have to earn salvation by works?
The law is gods standard, you can do these things all day long every day and you will still be condemned

impray one day the schoolmaster teaches you

This is such a stupid question. All of Christianity professes that Grace plays a part in being saved. Now you are just going to just say silly, stupid, crazy things. You think that is going to prove anything.

I never stated plays a part. Once again you twist my words.

grace is the means not does not play a part. Saying it is only part is stupid, in fact paul calls it foolish beginning the the spirit (grace through faith) and perfecting in the flesh (works)

true Christianity is grace alone through gods mercy by Gods work

paul condemned legalism, you would be wise to listen to him

Again, it’s amazing you workers preach obedience while lieing and bearing false witness against others in unrepentant sin,

the law judges you where you stand no baptism or communion or loving anyone will cover that sin period

 

[Taken]

1st John 1:9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

Been there...naturally born in sin...ie Against God.
Been there...forgiven of my sin of Disbelief Against God.
Been there...cleansed by the Blood of Jesus.

1st John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

I was never, UNDER Mosaic LAW.
Hebrews and Tribesmen WERE (and some still are, UNDER Mosaic LAW).
Under Mosaic LAW, SIN ...Was and Is Disobedience OF THE LAW. All 600 + Laws.
Read their Laws...man against man was a SIN.
Lying, cheating, stealing, etc. BETWEEN men was part of their LAW. If a man stole from a man, it was a SIN.

Moving along to the NT. TO THE JEWS, just learning about Jesus, were still Practicing their Jewish religion UNDER THE LAW. They understood their LAW, and what SIN was "under their law". Their Jewish "teachers" of Jesus the Christ Messiah was NEWS to their ears. They were learning ABOUT JESUS, while still practicing Under their Law, UNTIL their Knowledge INCREASED and their Faith INCREASED and their Understanding INCREASED...
Listen to Jesus' preaching, the Apostles preaching....law, law, law? Sin among men according to the Law? Or rather Believe, Believe, Believe in Jesus and One who Sent Him?
The LAW was a foreshadow...a practice time, among men.....FOR WHEN men would be OFFERED A RELATIONSHIP Between an Individual man and the Lord God...
A Relationship that can not be dissolved, once established (no divorce).
A Relationship based on absolute TRUTH (a mans spirit in his heart).
A Relationship of no Lies...heartful truth.
A Relationship of no Cheating...not committing to God, then sneaking off to other gods.
A Relationship of no Stealing...using Gods granted power for evil.
AND ... such a relationship HAS HOW MANY LAWS? TWO. And HOW exactly does a man KEEP those TWO Laws? BY the INDWELLING POWER of God within the Converted man.

IF ANYBODY does sin?
Well...I no longer CAN SIN, Which is Disbelieve IN the Lord God.
But SOME, such as the unsaved, or such as those who ARE and REMAIN UNDER Mosaic Law, CAN SIN according to their LAW...
THEY are the "ANYBODY" that can sin...
And the good news is they HAVE AN ADVOCATE called Christ Jesus, who can forgive them and Free them from their SIN;
IF they freely choose to accept His Advocacy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Why

Read your own question.
You asked for the view of a "non osas" person.
That is not me.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Never heard of your "new version of OSAS".
Where did you come up with this...---->?

I say we go find this Reprobate and hang Him from the highest tree!

(Meanwhile, I am still hard at work on OSAS 3.0......you ain’t seen Nothing yet ! Lol....)

 

[Taken]

I say we go find this Reprobate and hang Him from the highest tree!

(Meanwhile, I am still hard at work on OSAS 3.0......you ain’t seen Nothing yet ! Lol....)

Well, pretty sure Gods Word is clear...it is God Himself who freely gives His understanding of His word TO those Converted who seek it, and by obvious revealing, many men are relying on philosophies of men rather than Gods Understanding.
hanging, no need. God has that resolved...Works that do not glorify God are burned.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Is that why Paul called Christians saints? Have you changed the definition of saints too.
Christians are good....It would be Satan that would like insulting Christians.
It is a choice to be an evildoer. Like it is a choice to preach evildoing.

Saints are believers in Christ. They are not “ good” .....they are “forgiven” .....they are Redeemed Sinners that are “ bad” .....they KNOW that they are “ bad” .....and ADMIT that they are Bad....and they are Blessed people who have discovered the CURE for their “badness”....... it’s called “Grace”.... if it has never been extended to you , you will never understand it or appreciate it .....Grace Rejectors are in for Trouble....Grace is the only Thing That has Saved everybody that has ever “ been” Saved.....and you reject it....scary........

 

[Grailhunter]

Still can’t prove me wrong so you have to change the subject. It’s ok, I know why

What you are saying is absurd. How can I prove a wrong a wrong. You know you are lying.

look at all the you in there, and you can’t admit you believe you have to earn salvation by works?

No one is preaching works saves....you just keep on lying.

The law is gods standard, you can do these things all day long every day and you will still be condemned

The Law has nothing to do with Christianity. Christ has every reason to expect us to obey His Word the best we can.

grace is the means not does not play a part. Saying it is only part is stupid, in fact paul calls it foolish beginning the the spirit (grace through faith) and perfecting in the flesh (works)

No Grace is just a part....so much more. He is the power behind Grace. Christ is the what saves us. His sacrifice, served as a propitiation for us, His blood, redeemed us, justified us, so that we can be reconciled with God as the family of God. Because of all that He extend His Grace to us so we can be saved...A precious thing that you and your kind take a dump on, by preaching that evildoers will go to heaven. You play Christ for a fool...you think you are smarter than Him? Do you think you can fool Him?

paul condemned legalism, you would be wise to listen to him

Again you lie with intent to deceive. Paul condemned those that were trying to force Christians to follow the Mosaic Law. Paul was not condemning following the teachings of Christ or the Apostles....AWW! Such Lies!!! Such craziness!!!

the law judges you where you stand no baptism or communion or loving anyone will cover that sin period

More lies! Such silliness running in your head.

I guess you have never read the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats and what happened to those goats.

James 5:20 let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

2nd Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

James 4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

[amigo de christo]

Truth....is not blind or stiff-necked or crippled.
To be saved
Believe that Yeshua is God and Savior.
Repent of your sins and commit to live by the Commandments of Christ.
Be Baptized.
Participate in communion.

From there the application is simple, live by the Commandments and examples set by Christ.
Love God
Love one another.
Live by the Golden Rule.
Be Good and Do Good.
Praise the Lord frequently.

Stay firmly planted in those bibles . Jesus first said that a hearer only built their house on sand
and james would later say the same , they deceive themselves . My advice is
IF JESUS said it , love it . Learn everything He taught and later the apostels would teach .
Heed every warning , every promise and cling to the Truth . For many deceivers do abound in these days .
Many are truly following another jesus and do notice i did not capitalize that jesus . cause it AINT JESUS .
We are in the times of great delusion and we must learn our bible well .

 

[amigo de christo]

* Confess ones belief in Jesus Christ... Amen!

And on the flip side...what is a confessed believer forgiven for?
* The Sin against God of having NOT BELIEVED.
And why, ONCE a man IS "changed" by Gods "POWER" and marvelous WORKS, the man is freed from SIN, and can SIN no more.
1 John 3:9

Can a Converted man, "TRESPASS" against "other men"....Lie, cheat, steal, etc. ?
Absolutely. IS that a SIN? No.

God Bless,
Taken

Can a converted man trespass against other men , lie cheat , steal , etc , Yeah , BUT IT IS SIN and it must not be once named
among us . We have got to get back into our bibles . How on earth can sin no longer be sin . Think about what you just said .
JESUS is not a license to sin . HE came to set us free FROM Sin , from HE who has power over death .
Read what paul and others taught the church .

 

[Grailhunter]

Been there...naturally born in sin...ie Against God.
Been there...forgiven of my sin of Disbelief Against God.
Been there...cleansed by the Blood of Jesus.



I was never, UNDER Mosaic LAW.
Hebrews and Tribesmen WERE (and some still are, UNDER Mosaic LAW).
Under Mosaic LAW, SIN ...Was and Is Disobedience OF THE LAW. All 600 + Laws.
Read their Laws...man against man was a SIN.
Lying, cheating, stealing, etc. BETWEEN men was part of their LAW. If a man stole from a man, it was a SIN.

Moving along to the NT. TO THE JEWS, just learning about Jesus, were still Practicing their Jewish religion UNDER THE LAW. They understood their LAW, and what SIN was "under their law". Their Jewish "teachers" of Jesus the Christ Messiah was NEWS to their ears. They were learning ABOUT JESUS, while still practicing Under their Law, UNTIL their Knowledge INCREASED and their Faith INCREASED and their Understanding INCREASED...
Listen to Jesus' preaching, the Apostles preaching....law, law, law? Sin among men according to the Law? Or rather Believe, Believe, Believe in Jesus and One who Sent Him?
The LAW was a foreshadow...a practice time, among men.....FOR WHEN men would be OFFERED A RELATIONSHIP Between an Individual man and the Lord God...
A Relationship that can not be dissolved, once established (no divorce).
A Relationship based on absolute TRUTH (a mans spirit in his heart).
A Relationship of no Lies...heartful truth.
A Relationship of no Cheating...not committing to God, then sneaking off to other gods.
A Relationship of no Stealing...using Gods granted power for evil.
AND ... such a relationship HAS HOW MANY LAWS? TWO. And HOW exactly does a man KEEP those TWO Laws? BY the INDWELLING POWER of God within the Converted man.

IF ANYBODY does sin?
Well...I no longer CAN SIN, Which is Disbelieve IN the Lord God.
But SOME, such as the unsaved, or such as those who ARE and REMAIN UNDER Mosaic Law, CAN SIN according to their LAW...
THEY are the "ANYBODY" that can sin...
And the good news is they HAVE AN ADVOCATE called Christ Jesus, who can forgive them and Free them from their SIN;
IF they freely choose to accept His Advocacy.

Glory to God,
Taken

But the question is, are you Calvinist? Do you think God is the Great Puppet Master? Correct me if I am wrong.
By the way we all sin.

And the good news is they HAVE AN ADVOCATE called Christ Jesus, who can forgive them and Free them from their SIN;

Yes we do have an advocate in Christ and if we confess our sins He faithful to forgive us. But if you say you have no sin, then the truth is not in you.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

LOL Do not get me wrong....I don't think you are good. You are pretty much the poster child for evil.
But there are a lot of Good Christians....But Satan would object to all that....do you know Satan well or just work for him?

I truly understand where you are coming from.....there are many “good” Christians out there....( as the World measures these things ) ..... but we are not “ OF” that world if we are Believers...Being “ good” beats the heck out of being” Bad” and certainty God is pleased when people behave well—— it just isn’t on the Menu for Salvation....Anybody thinks that they will make it to Heaven, based in their “ Goodness” is Damned—- I can guarantee you that.....

To be Saved, there is only ONE item on God’s Menu....we MUST do His Will! What is His
“ Will”....... it’s Simple .....it ain’t , “ go out there and show me how “ good” you can be” ...God's Will is for us to “ Believe in the One that He sent”......if your Doctrine is anything other than 100% HIM and 0 % You—— you gotta Problem......

It is our “ reasonable service” to try to be “ good” .....just don’t think that your success or the lack of your success in that department got you Saved or keeps you Saved....Resting in the Gospel ....Resting In the Finished Work Of The Cross and what Jesus did “ FOR” you is what gets that accomplished.....