Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[MatthewG]

@teamventure
To say "believing Christ is God" can mean different things to different people in different contexts.

This is an ill advised way to try to assess someone's faith.

To assess Wrangler's faith, I'd have to take HIS words and ways of relating to God and faith in Christ (not your words and ways which define where you are in your walk with God and faith development) and hold him to his own standards.

Your ways apply to you.
I would need to understand where you are coming from to get a more clear idea of you.

I do not think it is wise or effective to judge anyone by the standards of someone else.

If that is what is going on here, I pray God have mercy and direct us to better ways than this.

Otherwise this seems a recipe for misery.
And I do not wish that on anyone!

Please reconsider.
I'd much rather start over, let each profess and share faith experiences, where we support each other to grow in our path and resolve any issues that way, by supporting and uplifting each other to become better. Not competing to make each other wrong or pull each other down.

@teamventure How can we help make things right? And help each other to be better at what we already agree and commit to?

I have always found this to be a mutual process. Never one way. If you have new things to teach me, that means I have equal insights to share with you.

If you do not allow Wrangler to share what he sees and has to offer, there is no room for him to gain as much from you.

Clearly you want to add something you don't think he has.

Can we take a better approach where we can share equally without imposing how each other talks about God and Jesus.

Some people fully embrace and embody Jesus and some do not.

Some people understand phrases like "Jesus is the Son of God" or "Jesus is God" and some do not. The "Trinity" and that whole explanation is completely baffling or even contradictory to some, and is not the best way to explain or assess a person's beliefs.

Can we admit this differs without making negative judgments or assumptions about people?

You have a good assessment here of the way human beings can be when it comes down to these subjects.

 

[post]

It couldn’t say “God”, because the Apostle John said “no one has seen God at any time.” - John 1:18.

yes, so:

Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity. But on the nobles of the children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and they ate and drank.
(Exodus 24:9-11)​

scripture says undeniably & plainly that they saw God: who did they see? is scripture broken??

they saw The Exact Image of the Invisible God, Christ Jesus ((Colossians 1:15))

 

[theefaith]

Not asking you to be one with any other than God through Christ.

What I ask is that we forgive one another as God forgives us.

We agree to forgive, this opens the door to receive the corrections from God through Christ.

We don't forgive, this closes the door to the Kingdom of God. Agreeing to ask God's help with forgiveness opens the door.

@theefaith @APAK will you please lead us in prayer over @teamventure and @Wrangler that we may correct faults and restore good faith relations in Christ Jesus? That God's truth and perfect will may be received established and understood. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and Holy Spirit please uplift us and bless us with your wisdom guidance and presence. Thank you, Lord!

Apak is one of them
Pour forth we beseech thee oh Lord thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the incarnation of Christ thy sin was made known by an angel, may we by His passion and cross be brought to the glory of His resurrection thru the same Christ our Lord, to the glory of the father in the power of the Holy Spirit! Amen

 

[theefaith]

Not necessarily, but it doesn't work in reverse either.
Wether or not someone believes is the point.

believes what, that the sky is green or grass is blue?
We believe what God has revealed divine and catholic faith de fide dogma
The truth and thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[APAK]

Apak is one of them
Pour forth we beseech thee oh Lord thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the incarnation of Christ thy sin was made known by an angel, may we by His passion and cross be brought to the glory of His resurrection thru the same Christ our Lord, to the glory of the father in the power of the Holy Spirit! Amen

I am one of what, or of whom do I related to? Why do I seem to unsettle you so much? I am no enemy of yours from my view. I do come in peace and for especially mutual edification.

There seems to be no common ground that suits you? Are you not content and confident with your faith and doctrines? I am.

You have to admit without kidding yourself, you do struggle quite a bit in explaining your doctrine via scripture. You can learn if you pray through the Spirit of Christ that resides in you, right?

When I expand on scripture and even with a commentary, you always discard and deflect it and the words, to another canned response with only scripture references at best. Understanding and sharing the meaning of scripture is the major basis for mutual communication, understanding and edification on this Forum or site. Without it, we are communicating over each other and then the shouting often begins; and it looks like a dysfunctional relationship.

And I'm learning more all the time: of the word of God and with his Spirit, that his Father gave me, as I traverse and participate within these virtual walls and rooms of spiritual chat.

APAK

 

[theefaith]

I am one of what, or of whom do I related to? Why do I seem to unsettle you so much? I am no enemy of yours from my view. I do come in peace and for especially mutual edification.

There seems to be no common ground that suits you? Are you not content and confident with your faith and doctrines? I am.

You have to admit without kidding yourself, you do struggle quite a bit in explaining your doctrine via scripture. You can learn if you pray through the Spirit of Christ that resides in you, right?

When I expand on scripture and even with a commentary, you always discard and deflect it and the words, to another canned response with only scripture references at best. Understanding and sharing the meaning of scripture is the major basis for mutual communication, understanding and edification on this Forum or site. Without it, we are communicating over each other and then the shouting often begins; and it looks like a dysfunctional relationship.

And I'm learning more all the time: of the word of God and with his Spirit, that his Father gave me, as I traverse and participate within these virtual walls and rooms of spiritual chat.

APAK

No not an enemy but not a divinity of Christ and most holy trinity either

 

[Wrangler]

So far I see Wrangler as open and seeking to understand and work through this. I attribute this openness to the forgiveness factor

There is much wisdom in your posts.

While I have my opinions on doctrine, my wife as convinced me of the simplicity of Christianity: It’s about relationships, not religion. And by religion, she means doctrinal purity or alignment.

I asked this question to theefaith and tramventure. The point seems lost on them. Is there a doctrinal purity test to enter heaven? No. It’s having a relationship (believing and acting in faith) with the Messiah.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

There is much wisdom in your posts.

While I have my opinions on doctrine, my wife as convinced me of the simplicity of Christianity: It’s about relationships, not religion. And by religion, she means doctrinal purity or alignment.

I asked this question to theefaith and tramventure. The point seems lost on them. Is there a doctrinal purity test to enter heaven? No. It’s having a relationship (believing and acting in faith) with the Messiah.

Some people cannot read into someone's heart and spirit to discern who is in line with the faith. Especially not online.

People will use questions or conditions but it is really testing your reaction.

In my experiences, NOBODY would pass the tests put out there by ANYBODY. Technically we are all going to fail.

What is REALLY going on, is people are selecting which people or groups we can forgive or not.

If we forgive the same things, or forgive each other our differences, we can work together DESPITE not meeting every condition.

We are not going to change everyone's mind and all get on the exact same page.

Heavenly peace is being okay with this.

If you think these flaws mean going to hell, you are already on that path.

No one passes these tests, not even our own conditions. We all fail, here or there, and the real faith in Christ is calling on God's forgiveness and correction, not relying on ours. Our will words and works follow from God's.

Please tell your wife thank you for her wisdom and prayers as well!

God bless you and may all the Wisdom of God be received and multiplied in abundance!

 

[theefaith]

There is much wisdom in your posts.

While I have my opinions on doctrine, my wife as convinced me of the simplicity of Christianity: It’s about relationships, not religion. And by religion, she means doctrinal purity or alignment.

I asked this question to theefaith and tramventure. The point seems lost on them. Is there a doctrinal purity test to enter heaven? No. It’s having a relationship (believing and acting in faith) with the Messiah.

it’s a covenant not a bible study

 

[Wrangler]

it’s a covenant not a bible study

Jesus is not God. You cannot even answer who Moses got the 10 Commandments from. You know it was through an intermediary to God but don't have the courage to break free from your indoctrination.

 

[Wrangler]

Acts 5:29-31
The Voice

Peter and the Apostles: 29 If we have to choose between obedience to God and obedience to any human authority, then we must obey God. 30 The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from death. You killed Jesus by hanging Him on a tree, 31 but God has lifted Him high, to God’s own right hand, as the Prince, as the Liberator. God intends to bring Israel to a radical rethinking of our lives and to a complete forgiveness of our sins.


Anyone with a grasp of logic, definition and language usage most be impressed with how frequently Scripture separates "God" (in his unitarian nature) from Jesus. Anytime "God" is specifically written in juxtaposition to Jesus, one ought to think in term of God, in his unitarian nature. In the above sentences:

1. Who raised Jesus from the dead? Not the "Father" but God, in his unitarian nature.
2. Who lifts Jesus high? Not the "Father" but God, in his unitarian nature.
3. If Jesus were God how could he lift himself high? He cannot.
4. Who does Jesus sit on the right hand? Not the "Father" but God, in his unitarian nature.
5. If Jesus were God, how could he sit on his own right hand? He cannot.

One cannot sit on their own right hand. The text makes it clear that Jesus is acted upon. God, in his unitarian nature, does the acting. Jesus is not God.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is not God. You cannot even answer who Moses got the 10 Commandments from. You know it was through an intermediary to God but don't have the courage to break free from your indoctrination.

When you answer mine below

 

[theefaith]

My questions never answered!

1 jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Psalm 86:15
But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.

Exodus 34:6
And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,


Only God can grant men peace

Jn 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

my peace!
Gods peace!


John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

how can a man be the life?
God is life

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

in the new creation God also breathed life into them

Jn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


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lk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.



Only God has blinding glory

Acts 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Matt 5: 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, (by God) Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Only God have the commandments only God can change them!
Matthew 8:26
And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
Only God has this power!
Matt 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Only God!
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Only God can be this!
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Only God!

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

God became man!

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Jesus is not God. You cannot even answer who Moses got the 10 Commandments from. You know it was through an intermediary to God but don't have the courage to break free from your indoctrination.

I assume that Jesus being God's Justice or Authority of Law was always with God on a heavenly level. And inspired Moses or any other prophets who taught God's Laws.

I understand Jesus the Son is a distinct and more FINITE Manifestation of God, in order to connect with man being Finite.

God as Creator of all and Author of all Life and Laws is Infinite and Eternal.

Saying Jesus is God to mean ONE, inseparable, perfect and Divine/Universal makes sense.

But if it sounds like you are saying God manifesting as the SON "is the same role" as God manifesting as the Father/Creator, this sounds conflicting.

Why specify God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if these are not distinct and each necessary?

Again I can understand the Father creating the Son to be sent that man may receive and reconcile, but NEVER see anything in the Bible that the Son created the Father.

These two are not perfectly interchangeable in every context.

I understand God in terms of God's Will, Truth, Love, Justice, Law/Word being incarnated and embodied in man through Jesus.

But God being infinite and "greater than all" does not fit in the form of Jesus alone.

Jesus said it both ways in John 10:29-30
That the Father is greater than all
and that He/Jesus and the Father are One.

I see no contradiction between people who see God as ONE not three and people who see God/Jesus/Holy Spirit all as one God.

I am perfectly equal talking with @theefaith as with @Wrangler and hope you feel equally talking and sharing with me.

I feel God's truth love and presence pours equally into the vessels of those who serve wisdom through the words of the Unity believers as the Trinity believers. Why God designed brains to see one way and not the other, I don't know if that is to humble us, teach us not to judge, learn patience or seek help to mediate so we learn that process.

But when I really realized people could not help that they see things in different or opposite ways, is when a coworker introduced me to her husband, both very lind loving faithful and forgiving Christians, neither judgmental at all, and they could NOT see or explain to the other why one saw God as Unity and didn't get the Trinity, and the other got the Trinity and couldn't get why his wife couldn't get it. It just sounded backwards and didn't make sense to her.
But she knew in her heart her husband is sincere, not trying to test her or judge or impose a different doctrine. Nor was she denying Jesus, God or any such thing.

That's when I saw the most realistic example of how our brains perceive things differently. And we may just have to rely on faith that the other person means to be just as true to God and God's truth in the Bible.

But some things just don't translate the same to different people.

God even showed me a married couple who just put up with this difference.

Since then, I learned to communicate with Jehovah's Witnesses, and do fairly well with even Atheists who use Zero religious symbolism and need ALL concepts translated into secular terms that mean something real and positive to them.

That was always my big challenge and my greatest concern that the Constitutional laws and govt be consistent and inclusive. If we are going to have Civil Obedience then we need to include everyone. So I have worked to understand how to translate the Christian concepts, faith and process of reconciling man's level with God's.

And in that process have found everyone's perception can vary as uniquely as each soul God speaks to individually.

Even my boyfriend understands God on a very abstract intangible way that has no words.
He is like Adam who just obeys from nature that God gave him.

My mother is also like that, has natural wisdom and ethics from God that she understands through Buddhist terms for karma instead of sin and compassion and wisdom that are more detached ways of expressing love and truth.

If I can tolerate secular nontheists understanding Jesus as Justice and the Holy Spirit as peace and love for humanity, surely I can refrain from judging fellow Christians for expressing God as Unity or Trinity, Jehovah or YHWH.

God is still the one God.

I know the Source is the same.

If I am going to love my neighbor as Jesus loves us, I need to speak the language of my neighbor so we can share what is in our hearts and not let differences get in the way of love. God will give us the words we need.

And we know this changes for each person we speak with. Still the one God, the one truth and message.

But people, including Atheists, need to hear this truth shared in different ways to get the message across.

God grant us mercy peace and patience to be the best witnesses we can be. To learn to love one another as Jesus loves, not with our love that is limited but with God's love that is eternal and unconditional.

We can all make mistakes that "blaspheme God or Christ" but the one blasphemy not forgiven in this world or the world to come
Is against the Holy Spirit: the one unforgiveable sin is the sin of Unforgiveness because it blocks God from entering into our situations or relations, hearts and minds, to correct or heal the cause of the unforgiveness. It takes our free will to choose to ask God's help with Forgiveness when we cannot do so on our own. God is not going to force forgiveness on us, it must be freely chosen or it's not real.

@teamventure and @theefaith Whatever misgivings, doubts or differences you have concerning @Wrangler or @APAK inability to agree with you the ways you have said things to each other, I am telling you. Asking God's help through Christ to please forgive, and hand over to Jesus on the Cross to remove the obstacles and open the door to the right understanding, and God will give us that.

In Jesus name I pray that we agree to absolve and correct any and all misunderstandings misperceptions and misteachings in Christ Jesus that we may be made new perfect and whole, even as our Heavenly Father is Perfect.

Love and Thanks to you all!
May your ministry flourish be blessed and multiplied to reach all people questioning these same things.

We can all serve as better witnesses to Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhist, Muslims, Atheists and others who have been marginalized and left out of Christian outreach and fellowship.

First we must reconcile among ourselves and then use what we learn to help others!

Thank you all, you are in my prayers.

 

[theefaith]

When you answer mine below

who is he talking about???

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

@theefaith
When Jesus said He is IN the Father
and the Father is IN Him, this makes more sense what you mean by the Son and the Father being one. They are one inseparable, but they still have distinct roles that are not interchangeable.

When the Father is in the Son, that is one context.

When the Son is in the Father that is a distinct context.

What you mean by Jesus being God does not mean the two roles are completely identical and interchangeable. The Father and Son refer to different contexts or roles, though the two are inseparable and one God, not two or three.

But when you say it literally as "Jesus is God" this sounds confused to some people.

I have a Baptist friend, totally believes in the same Trinity way of expressing God, but he laughed when a new Christian was saying Jesus created things, mixing the role of the Son as the Word and the Father as Creator. Yes they are one, there is only one God, but these roles are not interchangeable. My friend laughed, knew what she meant, and did not judge nor did she judge him for how he said it differently. We knew they share the same faith.

Jesus as an inseparable part of God has ways been with God in Heaven even while being incarnated on earth and sent through hell, that is still God's Justice bringing heaven to the depths of earth and hell.

We can believe all the same things in Christianity and still express this differently.

Buddhists will describe the process of hell and suffering in much greater detail, using spiritual language for that, and may not use Christian or Biblical terms for what causes this sin and suffering to repeat and trap people as karma. But it's referring to the same conditions as sin that enslave us by the flesh, by coveting and attaching to material comfort instead of spiritual health wealth and peace beyond material values.

Different words or ways of expressing do not mean denying God's ONE truth but affirm how universal God really is. That the same truths inspire and find representation in other systems. This is like finding out both Greeks and Arabs created number systems, or both Chinese and Egyptians invented paper.

The same God still inspires both ways even if they were independent of each other.

This does not negate the one God.

Through Christ we reconcile all this to be one truth from one God.

 

[theefaith]

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!
Isa 6:3

Hope this helps

 

[theefaith]

Post 373 no response!????

wrangler????
Team???
Apak?????

 

[DPMartin]

Trinitarinians deny the big reveal of Jesus' ministry is that he is the long awaited Messiah, chosen by God to reconcile humanity to God and was never about revealing God incarnate. (Every Epistle makes clear that God, in his unitarian nature, is the Father alone, whose will is carried out by the Lord Jesus, anointed by God. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. When we say Jack and Jill went up the hill, it is not to be construed they are 1 being. The same when God, the Father, and Jesus went up the hill ...)

The amazing book of Acts establishes the highly controversial fact that a man was resurrected by God - and that eternal life is the inheritance of all who believe. No fair reading of this book could support any other conclusion. The trinitarian IDOLATRY of this man destroys the proof of Good News of our inheritance. For it is understandable that an all powerful God could appear to die and resurrect himself. (Translation below is CJB)

ACTS 1
v3 After his death he showed himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. (God is eternal and him being alive is a given).

v7 He answered, “You don’t need to know the dates or the times; the Father has kept these under his own authority. (The Father Alone is God and his authority being different from and higher than Jesus in this verse is clear.)

ACTS 4
v7 “By what power or in what name did you do this?” NOTE: The answer is NOT in the name of God and no claim of God incarnate. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. The name is not the name of God.
v10 It is in the name of the Messiah, Yeshua from Natzeret, whom you had executed on a stake as a criminal but whom God has raised from the dead, that this man stands before you perfectly healed. (God in his unitarian nature clearly acted upon the dead Messiah, in whose name the emissaries of the Anointed One do this, perform miracles).

v24 Begins a prayer to God ...
v27 your holy servant Yeshua, whom you made Messiah (Again, God acted on Jesus, the Messiah. In this verse, God, in his unitarian nature made Yeshua the Messiah. This is not how one would talk about God incarnate).

Thus the prayer to God ends with

v30 Stretch out your hand to heal and to do signs and miracles through the name of your holy servant Yeshua!” (God, in his unitarian nature, does signs and miracles in the name of his servant, Yeshua. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. God is not his own servant.)

what you don't seem to understand Jesus being the Word of God made flesh is simply the Word of God revealed in the flesh. therefore see what words are from. a being. in the case of God, a Spirit. hence words are from that which speaks those words. Jesus explains He is not of Himself but of the Father who is in Heaven. Jesus also states He is not only from Heaven but was still in Heaven even though He was in the flesh. and He also explains His Father is in Him and He is in the Father while yet in the flesh. the Three are One and One not without the other, but one must remember that this God is the God of Abraham the father, Isaac the beloved son offered, and Jacob who was renamed Israel in which he had 12 sons and the Israelites are called the children of Israel by the Lord their God. Father Son and Holy Ghost the same where God created heavens and earth, His Spirit moved over waters, and God spoke "Let there be Light"


the Word of God goes out and returns fulfilled according to God's will.

 

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what you don't seem to understand Jesus being the Word of God made flesh is simply the Word of God revealed in the flesh. therefore see what words are from. a being. in the case of God, a Spirit. hence words are from that which speaks those words. Jesus explains He is not of Himself but of the Father who is in Heaven. Jesus also states He is not only from Heaven but was still in Heaven even though He was in the flesh. and He also explains His Father is in Him and He is in the Father while yet in the flesh. the Three are One and One not without the other, but one must remember that this God is the God of Abraham the father, Isaac the beloved son offered, and Jacob who was renamed Israel in which he had 12 sons and the Israelites are called the children of Israel by the Lord their God. Father Son and Holy Ghost the same where God created heavens and earth, His Spirit moved over waters, and God spoke "Let there be Light"


the Word of God goes out and returns fulfilled according to God's will.

Hebrews 2:16
For verily he took not on him the nature ofangels; but he took on him the seed ofAbraham.