Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Phoneman777]

Just follow the trail back to where I pointed it out, but you ignored my comment to correct me about my lack of legalism.
I can't be bothered to go back and find it again, only to be ignored a second time.

Nah, I don't like to go in search of things I already know don't exist - too bad most Christians don't take that position when they open their Bibles, like those who think Sunday sacredness is taught therein.

 

[Phoneman777]

You have claimed that Paul has claimed that the 10 commandments are a “good law” and the Law of Moses is a “carnal law”.

Paul i ndeed refers to the Ten Commandments when he says the law is "holy just and good and spiritual" when he says, "I had not known lust, except the law hath said, Thou shalt not covet" - THE TENTH COMMANDMENT.

But, when speaking of the Mosaic Law of the priesthood, he calls it a "carnal commandment".

 

[Phoneman777]

Peshitta isn't scripture; it's a Judaized bastardization of scripture.

but regarding Matthew 24 -- those that endure will be saved.
endure in what?
how?

Is that what you read off your Jesuit web pages? What is a bastardization of Scripture is OSAS, Jesuit Futurism, Dispensationalism, Antinomianism, etc. So glad Jesus is coming soon to sort out all who author and promulgate such nonsense.

 

[Phoneman777]

And the first one in Leviticus 23 is the weekly Sabbath. And that is why it is only the sign of the first covenant, the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh. We are under the New Covenant not kept by the flesh, but by the Spirit and the sign of the New Covenant is the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25. The law was given to us because of SIN. Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, AND IN HIM THERE IS NO SIN.

So what? It existed BEFORE AND APART from the rest of these other yearly feast days, and it's dishonest to lump the weekly in with the yearly.

If you understood that "sin is the transgression of the law", then you'd understand that the Mosaic Law was "added because of transgression (TRANSGRESSION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING TEN COMMANDMENT LAW)".

 

[Phoneman777]

All of those in Leviticus 23 are fulfilled in Jesus, including the Sabbath REST.

And that is why it is only the sign of the first covenant, the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh. We are under the New Covenant not kept by the flesh, but by the Spirit and the sign of the New Covenant is the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25. The law was given to us because of SIN. Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, AND IN HIM THERE IS NO SIN.

Yes, the Mosaic and the Moral Laws are exactly the same, but we'll keeping the Sabbath for eternity but won't be getting circumcised or burning offerings, right?

Exactly the same (only different)

 

[Phoneman777]

There is a difference between the Royal eternal law of God, and the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh.

yes, that's why James refers to "adultery" and "killing" and "blasphemy" when He talks about the "Law of Liberty" and the "Royal Law", right?

Ever wonder why the New Testament repeats every one of the Ten Commandments as Christian duty, but tells us that the Mosaic Law "is nothing"? I wonder why that is...could it be that God expects us to stop doing that which made necessary the death of Jesus on the Cross in the first place?

 

[Phoneman777]

@Phoneman777

I am on another Christian forum site and was talking to some SDAs who say they keep the 4th Commandments, and yet they break it every week by cooking and cleaning up every Sabbath. Do you cook on the Sabbath? Do you make your bed? Do you wash the dishes? Because the only way to keep the Sabbath is by the letter of the law that kills, why do you all break it? Why not leave the bed unmade. Why not eat preprepared sandwiches on paper plates? I certainly would have more respect for doing that, rather than the hypocritical working and making excuses for it like they did.

The commandment refers to routine work, not things like eating food or pumping a well handle to get water...what husband would return home to his wife after being gone a week and be happy that she was too distracted with housework to be with him?

For all the talk "Christians" make about loving Jesus, the reason why they hate the Sabbath so much is because their guilty conscience won't allow them to spend an entire day with Someone they've been cheating on all week with the d3vil...just a quick one hour at church on Sunday to listen have their ears tickled with OSAS and with fairy tales about how Jesus will spare them from the "7 year tribulation" by sneaking into town and sneaking out with the Saints -- then out the door and "see ya next week, God".

 

[Phoneman777]

But breaking them will turn the blessings into a curse, no?

What's that got to do with the fact that they contain blessings and promises, while the Mosaic Law was "against us" while the Ten are called the "Royal Law" and "Law of Liberty"?

Was there a blessing in taking an expensive calf and killing and burning it? No, but honoring your parents will get you long life, and there's a blessing in every weekly Sabbath.

But God never told Adam to keep the Sabbath. The only thing God told Adam to do was to keep away from the forbidden tree.

Let's not mix apples and oranges. Codification of God's Law didn't occur until AFTER the Fall of man.

But Jesus said that the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless:

Yes, since we cannot be without a moment without an intercessor, the earthly priests had to profane the Sabbath, but God made special provision to hold them "blameless", and thank God for that, else the Israelites would have been blotted out of existence on that first Sabbath Temple Shutdown, leaving no holy lineage through which the Messiah could come and save the human race, right?

We're also blameless if our ox is in a ditch. What's your point, please?

And we (our bodies) are the temple of God. So in a spiritual work sense, We can profane the Sabbath in the Temple of our body.

We can profane our body temples ANY day of the week, but we are warned that God will destroy those who do. What's your point?

Don’t get me wrong, I am not offended at the thought of keeping the Sabbath as some seem to be here. And I wouldn’t have a problem keeping the Sabbath amongst faithful believers eager to please God.

We should never be offended by God's commandments - they should be to us "not grievous" but a delight. I could be making around 1,000 bucks overtime today on a fiber optic work project, but I have faith that the blessing that is in every weekly Sabbath day rest for those who choose to be obedient Christians far outweighs that and all the riches of this world. "What doth it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul"?

 

[Phoneman777]

"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." (Heb 7)

For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good."

So, you would use Scripture to refute Scripture. Brilliant.

VERY SAME THINGS the Bible says about the Law are the very same things it says about God Himself

No, it doesn't. The Word is God, not the law, because not all Scripture is law.

You listen to nothing from God, because the worship of your Sabbath has nothing from God. The carnal commandment of the law of old time to a physical seed was indeed holy, just, and good, but carnal in that it only commanded outward obedience to be fulfilled, without any demand of inward faith.

Likewise you have refuted your own false teaching about the commandment being a blessing and kept eternal, while the law being a cursing and only temporal: both were holy, just, and good, without separation between them.

The law is eternal and unchangeable?

Have ye not so much as read how that the changing of the priesthood necessitates a changing of the law? (Heb 7)

And where does Scripture say the law is eternal? There is the eternal God, eternal life, eternal inheritance, eternal house of God. No eternal law. No law in the new heaven and the new earth.

All flesh indeed shall come to worship God from new moon to Sabbath, every 7th day and month, but not by law nor by carnal commandment but by free will inwardly done outwardly. You have corrupted the spirit of the Sabbath by keeping the letter of the Sabbath according to a carnal commandment that has been done away.

You are yet carnal and judge according to your personal carnal obedience.

You know plenty about your doctrine and what you tell each other to justify yourselves among yourselves, but know nothing about the law: Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. (1 Tim 1)
So glad those who refuse to obey God's Law are not going to be around to disrupt the happiness of heaven

And here we are. Your effort to push a carnal commandment 'of blessing' has turned to cursing. You truly are the special of the special, the elite of the elite, and it only takes a special Saturday each week to make you so.

You are the children piping and playing to one another in your market place of tradition, and are upset that others don't dance to your tune.

Keep your Sabbath by your will, your sanctimony by your pride, and your judgment by your law, which I care nothing for. While I have appreciated the instruction of Scripture I have received to refute your foolishness, I have no respect for you nor your kind. You descend into the kind of irrational reasoning and boasts that the created-christ teachers do in order to keep pushing your false doctrine.

But I believe you have run out of steam and any new creations to disprove and learn by. But, I may be wrong, so keep talking.

Hey, if you want to believe that Moses wrote the second tables, or that the overwhelming evidence which puts a difference between the Moral and Mosaic Laws doesn't' exist, go right ahead, I ain't mad at ya.

But, remember Revelation 22:14 KJV

 

[Brakelite]

Well they killed the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath to build a fire. It didn't matter who he was picking up the sticks for. Work is work.

Ummm, I don't pick up sticks on Sabbath. But if I did, would you be the first to cast a stone?

 

[CharismaticLady]

And you are operating under the false pretense that "fulfill" means "do away with".

Jesus told John they needed to "fulfill all righteousness" in Jordan..does that mean we no longer are required to live righteously? Ask Titus 2:11-12 KJV.

Remember when Paul said that he that doeth righteousness is righteous? What about those who refuse to keep God's law? What are they?

What is done away with is the covenant of the flesh, not righteousness. True righteousness has been infused in us by Jesus placing His Spirit within us. Romans 8:1-9 (the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life)

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You mean the obvious context which is lost upon you who refuse to do God's will, right?
So, we're going to just keep shutting your eyes and stopping your ears to the significant fact that "SABBATISMOS" is used in verse 9, while "KATAPOSIS" is used everywhere else in the passage?

If the Protestant Reformers were alive today, they know doubt would agree that Lamsa is spot on with his rendering.

I do God's will; but if you fail to, but say you are, who will be judged?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ummm, I don't pick up sticks on Sabbath. But if I did, would you be the first to cast a stone?

I would point out the hypocrisy. Like this one:

I say what Jesus says...those who fight against the Sabbath are doing the word of Satan.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If only you understood that the "sabbath" mentioned in Colossians 2:16 KJV has nothing to do with God's Law, but is among a contextual list of thing pertaining to the Mosaic Law of offerings and refers to the yearly Mosaic "sabbath" Feasts which are "besides the (weekly) Sabbath of the Lord thy God", according to Leviticus 23...then you'd stop misapplying Paul's words.

If that is what you believe then keep it completely. Don't be a hypocrite, otherwise it will kill you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

So, we agree that "another day" refers to the Christian era...at least we have that in common

And do you know what God's rest referred to in Heb. 4 is?

 

[CharismaticLady]

You do realize that the church is described in both Revelation 12:17 KJV and Revelation 14:12 KJV as "keeping the commandments of God", right? Also, Revelation 22:14 KJV says we are blessed who keep the commandments and we'll enter the kingdom, but those who refuse to do so will be left outside - and of whom in the end it says, "fire came down from God out of heaven and destroyed them all".

Yes, and do you know what they are?

 

[CharismaticLady]

in demonstration

The "letter"

 

[CharismaticLady]

Wrong, Jesus Himself spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai:

Psalms 78:1-2 KJV:

"Give ear, O people, to MY law. Incline thine ears to the words of MY mouth...

(We can see clearly in this Hebrew Chaism that this verse is dealing with the Ten Commandments God spoke with His own mouth in the hearing of the ears of His people at Sinai, let's read the next verse in this Psalm to find out which "GOD" this is, shall we?)

"I will open MY MOUTH in parable, I will utter dark sayings of old...."​

Matthew 13:34-35 KJV:

"...and without a parable spake He not unto them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, I will open MY MOUTH in parable..."​

See what the Bible did there? It shows us that it wasn't the Father, but the Son Who spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai before He became a man and kept His own law - a law He was not willing to change even to save His own life. And, yet puny, pathetic humans presume to change His law or do away with it?

The Word of the Father wrote them. John 15:10

 

[robert derrick]

Hey, if you want to believe that Moses wrote the second tables, or that the overwhelming evidence which puts a difference between the Moral and Mosaic Laws doesn't' exist, go right ahead, I ain't mad at ya.

But, remember Revelation 22:14 KJV

Hey, if you want to believe that Moses wrote the second tables,

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. (Ex 34)

This is the set hewed by Moses put into the ark. The 1st set written by the finger of God was broken up by Moses.

overwhelming evidence which puts a difference between the Moral and Mosaic Laws

All from your minds, none from Scripture, as well as Scripture refuting your minds. And you minds also persist into the depths of irrationality to tray and make it so. The same as the created-christ pushers.

I ain't mad at ya.

That doesn't matter. But you are glad we won't be messing up your personal Sabbath heaven, even as you don't let anyone mess up your personal Sabbath on earth by having any fellowship with them that Sabbath not. Which again, doesn't matter to me.

You people have thoroughly exposed yourselves as elitist separatists, who have thoroughly blinded your minds from Scripture of truth and the things of the Spirit by your absolute obedience to your 1st Commandment of Sabbath. Keeping this carnal commandment has made you carnal in all your ways, even as the physical seed that abides in unbelief. You don't have all the vail of Moses upon your hearts as they, but you certainly do have the vail of a carnal Sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

If that is what you believe then keep it completely. Don't be a hypocrite, otherwise it will kill you.

You are wrong. Phoneman is totally correct.
In Colossians 2:14 we are introduced into one aspect of the law, the “ordinances.” Now, is this the same as the law of Ten Commandments? Not according to the bible:

Hebrews 9:1
(1) Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Unto the first covenant was added “ordinances,” which were ceremonies needed to be performed by the Israelites and the priests. This is called “ceremonial laws.” So Paul begins his discussion of the law with respect to the ordinances of the law, not the entire law itself. Hebrews 9, verses 1 through 9 explain what those ordinances were, and he concludes them all as being “carnal ordinances” –verse 10. The law of God, however, is not carnal, but spiritual:

Romans 7:14
(14) For I know that the law is spiritual…”

He is therefore not speaking about the spiritual law of 10 Commandments, but of the carnal ordinances added to the law “because of transgressions” –Galatians 3:19. It is no wonder that Paul then specifies those ordinances in verse 21, saying, “why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, touch not, taste not, handle not…” Such requirements are once again echoed by Paul as ordinances of the ceremonial law in Hebrews 9:

Hebrews 9:10
(10) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Further evidence of this is in his use of the word “handwriting.” The greek word translated “handwriting” is “cheirographon” and it literally means “something written by hand.” Now God did not write the 10 Commandments by hand, but by finger:

Exodus 31:18
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Moses, however, wrote with his “hand” the ordinances found in the book of the law:

2 Chronicles 33:8
(8) Neither will I anymore remove the foor of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law, and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

There is more detail and more points to be made regarding this, but the above should be sufficient to blunt your ill founded assertions.