Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Brakelite]

The church my mom went to always had a potluck at the church school a few miles away, but they always did the dishes afterwards.

And this is to prove what? That they wanted to leave the place clean for others? And this you believe is somehow not in harmony with keeping the Sabbath holy?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes it is. 1 John 1:6 is not a Christian. They are walking in darkness, but there is no darkness in God. verse 5.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

That concerns FELLOWSHIP.

He is talking about two things

Trying to walk in fellowship with God while in a dark place.

And the opposite. of trying to claim we have no sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, He does. But not on Saturday. God honors what you truly believe, as long as what you believe is done to honor Him. He honors me too who believes everyday alike. Romans 14.

He does?

Well then I guess I have missed out. and my poor wife who has to cook on Saturday so we can eat has really missed out. Come to think of it. I am sure the ladies in the wilderness had to prepare the meal manna or not. SO not sure WHY you asked if someones wife cooked or not.

 

[amadeus]

amigo de Christo,

I responded to your post, in my post #926, and I would like you to respond to that post. It is important to me. Thank you.

If you do not use the @ in front of his name as in

@amigo de christo

...the system will not send him an alert and he will not know you are talking to him especially if like me he does not read every post on every thread on the forum

 

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Peshitta

Peshitta isn't scripture; it's a Judaized bastardization of scripture.

but regarding Matthew 24 -- those that endure will be saved.
endure in what?
how?

 

[amigo de christo]

If all we need is the Holy Spirit, why is there 3000 Christian churches all teaching contrary doctrines. If all we need is the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus set up apostles and prophets to do the baptizing and giving of the Holy Spirit, and growing the churches and calling bishops, and elders, and deacons etc.
I suspect you take this position because, even though the bible has all these offices, and the apostles are even the foundation of the first century church, per the bible, your church does not have these offices, and so you stick to the protestant position of we don't need them because we have the Holy Spirit, and all you need is the Holy Spirit.

Sorry, apparently that was not good enough for Jesus, who set apostles and prophets in his church to perfect his members, to work in the ministry of salvation, and to bring the fuller truth about Christ (they being eye witnesses). Apparently with the organization + the Holy Spirit, this was the combination that worked for Jesus.

We need the Holy Spirit to be able to discern the truth . Many and most all denominations have fallen .
And worse they are being herded right into the den of satan and of the whore . Known as la madre
neogra , la dama de muerte y mintidas . The black mother of death , the lady of death and lies . OR the RCC .
AND I REFUSE this unity . The lambs can have their own little places to gather with elders who instruct the church .
With the SPIRIT which works through the lambs . I shun the we are one unity to hades . The lambs are one
but our unity is not with belial or a harlot . We have the SPIRIT , we have the bible , and we test all men who do speak and teach .

 

[amigo de christo]

If you do not use the @ in front of his name as in

@amigo de christo

...the system will not send him an alert and he will not know you are talking to him especially if like me he does not read every post on every thread on the forum

Thanks my friend . i answered him .
Folks are getting to caught up with the wrong kind of unity , the wrong kind of fellowship .
We dont just sit and have fellowship where blatant lies and dangerous heresays are taught .
Lambs can even have fellowship by two or three . Its getting highly deceptive in these days my friend .]
MY heart , my hope and my plea is that folks are woken up before its too late . We have all we need . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
and our fellowship will be with those WHO LOVE HIM , WHO worship GOD by HIM in Spirit and in truth . And by His indwelling Spirit
we shall test all men . I say this often , TEST EVEN EVERYTHING I DO . NO man is infallible . NO MAN .
But the LORD IS , GOD IS , and the BIBLE contains HIS TRUTH . THUS rest in HIM and test all .

 

[amadeus]

Thanks my friend . i answered him .
Folks are getting to caught up with the wrong kind of unity , the wrong kind of fellowship .
We dont just sit and have fellowship where blatant lies and dangerous heresays are taught .
Lambs can even have fellowship by two or three . Its getting highly deceptive in these days my friend .]
MY heart , my hope and my plea is that folks are woken up before its too late . We have all we need . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
and our fellowship will be with those WHO LOVE HIM , WHO worship GOD by HIM in Spirit and in truth . And by His indwelling Spirit
we shall test all men . I say this often , TEST EVEN EVERYTHING I DO . NO man is infallible . NO MAN .
But the LORD IS , GOD IS , and the BIBLE contains HIS TRUTH . THUS rest in HIM and test all .

Yes, it seems that too many mix up the hierarchies of men using biblical titles glorify themselves more than they do God. Lots of man have titles, like pastor or evangelist or prophet, but a title for a person without the Holy Spirit or for a person with the Holy Spirit who routinely quenches the Holy Spirit is worse than nothing. What God gave us is described here in the penned words of Paul:

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Eph 4:11

Those should be more than titles. They should be people who working in and by the Holy Spirit have a God given purpose:

"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" Eph 4:12

They are supposed to help perfect the people so that they/we being led Spirit themselves/ourselves...

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" Eph 4:13-14

But then as we know there are people taking hold of those scriptural titles without the leading and power of God's Spirit. A PHD in theology from the finest [according to men] of seminaries guarantees nothing at all to person not led by the Holy Spirit. He may have his certificate of completion from men, but what is that to God? What is that to the sheep who are hungry and thirsty with only such as them to feed them? Help us dear Lord!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, it seems that too many mix up the hierarchies of men using biblical titles glorify themselves more than they do God. Lots of man have titles, like pastor or evangelist or prophet, but a title for a person without the Holy Spirit or for a person with the Holy Spirit who routinely quenches the Holy Spirit is worse than nothing. What God gave us is described here in the penned words of Paul:

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Eph 4:11

Those should be more than titles. They should be people who working in and by the Holy Spirit have a God given purpose:

"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" Eph 4:12

They are supposed to help perfect the people so that they/we being led Spirit themselves/ourselves...

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" Eph 4:13-14

But then as we know there are people taking hold of those scriptural titles without the leading and power of God's Spirit. A PHD in theology from the finest [according to men] of seminaries guarantees nothing at all to person not led by the Holy Spirit. He may have his certificate of completion from men, but what is that to God? What is that to the sheep who are hungry and thirsty with only such as them to feed them? Help us dear Lord!

Yes . And notice it says till we all come in the unity of THE FAITH . YET todays unity negates even the corner stone .
They unify with many who dont even profess Christ . with other relgions and men who teach contary to the teachings of Christ himself .
Paul said for the children ought not to lay up for the parents , but the parents for the children .
These men and women of belial LAY UP FOR THEMSELVES and take from the children . HE who is to be greastest among you
LET him be as A SERVANT . I DONT SEE THAT at all in those men . THEY love titles , they love to get recognition ,
and they heap unto themselves wrath unto the day of Wrath .
Look at even peter and the original apostels . They never made ONE MAN a head . THEM apostels were simple men
who were EQUALS and actually SERVANT to the people . YES they rebuked , but that too is being a good servant to the people .
THEY never made church a business , it was not about man made theologies on how to grow a church .
THEY SIMPLY TAUGHT JESUS and whoever came , AMEN they came . THEY simply spoke TRUTH .
KNOWING that Man cannot give the increase that only GOD can add to the church . Men have destroyed what was once
such a wonderful , simple and beautiful pattern . A pattern that JESUS taught and HE LIVED .
WHO IS greater the servant or the one who sits at meat , YET I AM AMONGST YOU as a servant . WE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED
THOSE FOOTSTEPS . LAMBS STILL DO TODAY . BUT many have throwed off what they saw as chains , when in truth
The pattern of Christ is not chains , HIS sayings are not chains , THEY ARE FREEDOM and they are LIFE .
PRAISE THE KING .

 

[CharismaticLady]

And this is to prove what? That they wanted to leave the place clean for others? And this you believe is somehow not in harmony with keeping the Sabbath holy?

Would you call that work? Is that breaking the Sabbath's rule of no work, or is that just for men?

 

[CharismaticLady]

That concerns FELLOWSHIP.

He is talking about two things

Trying to walk in fellowship with God while in a dark place.

And the opposite. of trying to claim we have no sin.

What is a "dark place" when the previous verse refers to God is LIGHT.

 

[CharismaticLady]

He does?

Well then I guess I have missed out. and my poor wife who has to cook on Saturday so we can eat has really missed out. Come to think of it. I am sure the ladies in the wilderness had to prepare the meal manna or not. SO not sure WHY you asked if someones wife cooked or not.

I believe that to be work. Or is work just to make money? What do you believe resting from work involves?

I just find it hypocritical that you believe in keeping the Sabbath, and yet you willfully break it every week. And make excuses for breaking it. If you are going to keep the letter of the law, then keep it. Have premade sandwiches on paper plates. Just put forth some effort to actually rest and not just the men.

cc: @Backlit

 

[Phoneman777]

@Phoneman777

What do you make of this scripture?

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

It's referring to the ceremonial Mosaic Law, not the Ten Commandments, for several unanswerable arguments:

Everything on Paul's list is ceremonial, and his mention of the "sabbath" contextually is referring to the Israelite Feast Days - Leviticus 23 calls those Feast Days "sabbaths".

Paul said what was "blotted out" was the writing that was "against us", and Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV plainly says what was against them was what Mosaic Law - because it contained curses and penalties. However, the Ten Commandments contain "promises" and "blessings".

The Feast Day "sabbaths" were "shadows" of Jesus (such as the Passover Lamb pointing to Jesus) and sequentially represented the timeline of Messiah's Advents - the first four pertained to His First Coming, while the last three pertain to the Second Coming. However, the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments was created in Eden before sin entered the world when there was no shadow of anything because all was light.

It seems to me that the Sabbath that Christians keep is a rest from their own sinful works. "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." (Hebrews 4:10)

That's a popular but wrong idea promoted by lying pulpit prophets to assuage the concerns of their members who are sincerely seeking truth. When Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says a born again Saint has "ceased from his own works as God did from His", we are told inescapably that our rest must be identical to how God rested. Now, if God rested from works of sin, then this popular idea would be right - but obviously He rested from "literal" work, which is the same kind of "literal" rest we are to enjoy every Sabbath day, just as the Fourth Commandment commands us.

In other words, it has a superior spiritual application to the born again believers in Christ. Much like when Paul utilizes this scripture from the law as a greater application to the Church:

Of course Jesus came to "magnify the law and make it honorable" - which means He came to not only expand the scope of each commandment, but to enable us by His grace to honor whatever new applications He would establish. Our death, burial, and resurrection in Jesus does not do away with holding our breath in a baptistery, being plunged completely underwater, and then rising up to take a new breath.

Any way we slice it, Christians know full well we are not at liberty to break any of the Ten Commandments, but because they refuse to turn from traditions that have no basis in Scripture and honor the Fourth Commandment, all kinds of deceptions are invented so that we can forget the only commandment that begins with the word "Remember".

 

[CharismaticLady]

Everything on Paul's list is ceremonial, and his mention of the "sabbath" contextually is referring to the Israelite Feast Days - Leviticus 23 calls those Feast Days "sabbaths".

And the first one in Leviticus 23 is the weekly Sabbath. And that is why it is only the sign of the first covenant, the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh. We are under the New Covenant not kept by the flesh, but by the Spirit and the sign of the New Covenant is the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25. The law was given to us because of SIN. Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, AND IN HIM THERE IS NO SIN.

 

[Phoneman777]

Really? Ok, once more:

1.Commandments engraven in stone are blessing not cursing and were put in the ark:

"But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, which glory was to be done away: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Cor 3)The commandments written in stone were the ministry of death and condemnation, not blessing, and they with their glory are done away...

What was the problem with the Corinthians? Right, they turned into Legalists who resorted to the lies of the murderous Jews who taught the people to earn salvation by keeping the law, which was a "ministry of death". See what I did there? I showed you that "ministry of death" doesn't refer to the Ten Commandments themselves, but to the MOTIVATION for keeping them.

2. The tables written on by God Himself were placed in the ark: No, those were broken by Moses and then Moses cut out new ones and wrote on those himself

You are misrepresenting the text...it does not say Moses wrote anything on those stone tablets....it says God did, so please stop!

3. The book of the law written by Moses in the tabernacle was placed beside or outside the ark: No, it place placed in the ark, in the side of it, beside the tables of stone. (Ex 25:21)(Deut 31:24)

Once again, you are misrepresenting the text. "In the side" is not the same as "INSIDE" and I've shown you where Paul only names THREE things in the Ark, NOT FOUR.

There are more Scriptures disproving your points like these that you have not responded to at all, so if you at least respond, even badly, I will take away my judgment of you as a non-answering, disingenuous child, that resorts only to copy and pasting...

You, sir, are a textbook example of what it means to place the proverbial "sword in the hands of a child". The destruction with which you cause to your own spiritual life and the lives of others will not stand forever, nor will it go unchallenged.

 

[Phoneman777]

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (Ex 34)

The Lord said He would write them again, and then he had Moses write them from His mouth. God has written ALL Scripture. Simple.

Moses wrote nothing on the tables of stone. He reiterated in the Mosaic Law what God wrote in stone twice.

 

[Phoneman777]

And the first one in Leviticus 23 is the weekly Sabbath.

Too bad it's got nothing to do with ceremonies and sacrifices, else it too would have been nailed to the Cross. It's a memorial to Creation which we'll keep in the kingdom just as we are to be keeping it now.

 

[Phoneman777]

Correct. Sunday Sabbath keeping by law is just as false as Saturday.

No such thing as a "sunday sabbath", and how dare you call "false" what God wrote with His own finger which He Himself says "stands fast forever and ever" ?

Repent of this heresy.

 

[Phoneman777]

Non-answer

LOL

 

[CharismaticLady]

Too bad it's got nothing to do with ceremonies and sacrifices, else it too would have been nailed to the Cross. It's a memorial to Creation which we'll keep in the kingdom just as we are to be keeping it now.

All of those in Leviticus 23 are fulfilled in Jesus, including the Sabbath REST.

And that is why it is only the sign of the first covenant, the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh. We are under the New Covenant not kept by the flesh, but by the Spirit and the sign of the New Covenant is the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25. The law was given to us because of SIN. Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, AND IN HIM THERE IS NO SIN.