Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Phoneman777]

"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." (Heb 7)

"For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good." Also, the Bible says the Law is eternal, spiritual, unchangeable, etc.

But we're just going to ignore the fact that the VERY SAME THINGS the Bible says about the Law are the very same things it says about God Himself, right?

So glad those who refuse to obey God's Law are not going to be around to disrupt the happiness of heaven, like so many petulant children who disrupt a friendly baseball game by cheating and disregarding the rules. Yeah, everyone enjoys that, right?

 

[CharismaticLady]

"For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good." Also, the Bible says the Law is eternal, spiritual, unchangeable, etc.

But we're just going to ignore the fact that the VERY SAME THINGS the Bible says about the Law are the very same things it says about God Himself, right?

So glad those who refuse to obey God's Law are not going to be around to disrupt the happiness of heaven, like so many petulant children who disrupt a friendly baseball game by cheating and disregarding the rules. Yeah, everyone enjoys that, right?

There is a difference between the Royal eternal law of God, and the Ten Commandments kept by the flesh.

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Phoneman777

I am on another Christian forum site and was talking to some SDAs who say they keep the 4th Commandments, and yet they break it every week by cooking and cleaning up every Sabbath. Do you cook on the Sabbath? Do you make your bed? Do you wash the dishes? Because the only way to keep the Sabbath is by the letter of the law that kills, why do you all break it? Why not leave the bed unmade. Why not eat preprepared sandwiches on paper plates? I certainly would have more respect for doing that, rather than the hypocritical working and making excuses for it like they did.

 

[Brakelite]

Would you call that work? Is that breaking the Sabbath's rule of no work, or is that just for men?

What did Jesus say when His accusers were attacking Him for breaking the Sabbath when healing someone? It is lawful to do well on the Sabbath. I don't do my own dishes. But I'll do someone else's dishes of they let when visiting. And if you're using someone else's facilities, then you clean up after you.
I find it strange that people call Sabbath keepers legalistic, then accuse them of breaking the Sabbath over minor issues.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the Ten Commandments contain "promises" and "blessings".

But breaking them will turn the blessings into a curse, no?

"And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart" (Leviticus 26:15-16)

However, the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments was created in Eden

But God never told Adam to keep the Sabbath. The only thing God told Adam to do was to keep away from the forbidden tree.

He rested from "literal" work, which is the same kind of "literal" rest we are to enjoy every Sabbath day

But Jesus said that the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless:

"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?" (Matthew 12:5)

And we (our bodies) are the temple of God. So in a spiritual work sense, We can profane the Sabbath in the Temple of our body.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Corinthians 6:19)

"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1 Corinthians 3:17)

Don’t get me wrong, I am not offended at the thought of keeping the Sabbath as some seem to be here. And I wouldn’t have a problem keeping the Sabbath amongst faithful believers eager to please God.

 

[robert derrick]

"For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good." Also, the Bible says the Law is eternal, spiritual, unchangeable, etc.

But we're just going to ignore the fact that the VERY SAME THINGS the Bible says about the Law are the very same things it says about God Himself, right?

So glad those who refuse to obey God's Law are not going to be around to disrupt the happiness of heaven, like so many petulant children who disrupt a friendly baseball game by cheating and disregarding the rules. Yeah, everyone enjoys that, right?

"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." (Heb 7)

For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good."

So, you would use Scripture to refute Scripture. Brilliant.

VERY SAME THINGS the Bible says about the Law are the very same things it says about God Himself

No, it doesn't. The Word is God, not the law, because not all Scripture is law.

You listen to nothing from God, because the worship of your Sabbath has nothing from God. The carnal commandment of the law of old time to a physical seed was indeed holy, just, and good, but carnal in that it only commanded outward obedience to be fulfilled, without any demand of inward faith.

Likewise you have refuted your own false teaching about the commandment being a blessing and kept eternal, while the law being a cursing and only temporal: both were holy, just, and good, without separation between them.

The law is eternal and unchangeable?

Have ye not so much as read how that the changing of the priesthood necessitates a changing of the law? (Heb 7)

And where does Scripture say the law is eternal? There is the eternal God, eternal life, eternal inheritance, eternal house of God. No eternal law. No law in the new heaven and the new earth.

All flesh indeed shall come to worship God from new moon to Sabbath, every 7th day and month, but not by law nor by carnal commandment but by free will inwardly done outwardly. You have corrupted the spirit of the Sabbath by keeping the letter of the Sabbath according to a carnal commandment that has been done away.

You are yet carnal and judge according to your personal carnal obedience.

You know plenty about your doctrine and what you tell each other to justify yourselves among yourselves, but know nothing about the law: Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. (1 Tim 1)
So glad those who refuse to obey God's Law are not going to be around to disrupt the happiness of heaven

And here we are. Your effort to push a carnal commandment 'of blessing' has turned to cursing. You truly are the special of the special, the elite of the elite, and it only takes a special Saturday each week to make you so.

You are the children piping and playing to one another in your market place of tradition, and are upset that others don't dance to your tune.

Keep your Sabbath by your will, your sanctimony by your pride, and your judgment by your law, which I care nothing for. While I have appreciated the instruction of Scripture I have received to refute your foolishness, I have no respect for you nor your kind. You descend into the kind of irrational reasoning and boasts that the created-christ teachers do in order to keep pushing your false doctrine.

But I believe you have run out of steam and any new creations to disprove and learn by. But, I may be wrong, so keep talking.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What did Jesus say when His accusers were attacking Him for breaking the Sabbath when healing someone? It is lawful to do well on the Sabbath. I don't do my own dishes. But I'll do someone else's dishes of they let when visiting. And if you're using someone else's facilities, then you clean up after you.
I find it strange that people call Sabbath keepers legalistic, then accuse them of breaking the Sabbath over minor issues.

Well they killed the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath to build a fire. It didn't matter who he was picking up the sticks for. Work is work.

You are not as bad as some SDAs who point out to nonSabbatarians that they are breaking the Law, when you all break it yourselves, and make self-righteous excuses for it. I only respect those who actually do what they believe. And don't rewrite the commandment they say they are keeping. One even called the lax keeping of it being under "grace."

 

[robert derrick]

But breaking them will turn the blessings into a curse, no?

"And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart" (Leviticus 26:15-16)



But God never told Adam to keep the Sabbath. The only thing God told Adam to do was to keep away from the forbidden tree.



But Jesus said that the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless:

"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?" (Matthew 12:5)

And we (our bodies) are the temple of God. So in a spiritual work sense, We can profane the Sabbath in the Temple of our body.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Corinthians 6:19)

"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1 Corinthians 3:17)

Don’t get me wrong, I am not offended at the thought of keeping the Sabbath as some seem to be here. And I wouldn’t have a problem keeping the Sabbath amongst faithful believers eager to please God.

You have correctly divided between keeping a law, and doing something personally by faith.

Sabbath keeping by choice is available for all, and follows the example of God from the beginning of creation, but preaching it as law of the covenant of Christ is the error.

Anyone can freely abstain from pork, being guided by the law of the old covenant, but to then preach it as law of Christ is the error.

No Christian has any problem with keeping a day of rest as unto the Lord, and I do not doubt most do, or would like to, but preaching it as law and thus judging accordingly as lawgiver is forbidden by Scripture and called speaking evil of another:

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? (James 4:12)

Bottom line: no police, fireman, military, etc... can be a faithful believer according to the Sabbath-law keepers. The nation of the physical seed of Israel had no such professions or 'jobs' for which they were paid wages, and so they did those things as needed at the time, whatever day of the week, including the sabbath, even as the priests for circumcision.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not offended at the thought of keeping the Sabbath.

But they are offended at you and are glad you will not be in their heavenly Sabbath to spoil it for them.

 

[Phoneman777]

1. The Sabbath was never 'created', it was commanded.

When was the Sabbath blessed? At Sinai, or in Eden? Thought so. IT WAS CREATED.

2. All the NT evidence of a Sabbath commanded in Eden, where?

I never said the Sabbath was commanded in Eden - though at some point after the Fall it must have been commanded because it existed before Israel even got to Sinai and Abraham kept a whole bunch of laws and statutes, among which must have been the Sabbath. Your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking, which is why you keep insisting Moses wrote out the words on the second set of tables.

Is English your first language?

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I (God Almighty) will write upon [these] tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." Exodus 34:1 KJV

Sinners are not entering the kingdom, so I suggest you give up your rebellion to the Sabbath while you can, if you expect to be among those who will keep the Sabbath for all eternity.

 

[Phoneman777]

Well you would be wrong

be gone with you

your a liar and a theif, you have no fruit of the spirit, and I am wiping the dust, I leave you in Gods hands,

(I bet you do not even know what the sabbath is or what it entails)

although betting is a sin, so I will not do it, I do not want to be seen as the hypocrite you are

I'm just trying to do and teach God's commandments so they which are in heaven now will look down upon me as call me "great". And what you are doing is in full view of them, as well.

 

[Phoneman777]

Don’t get me wrong, I am not offended at the thought of keeping the Sabbath.

But they are offended at you and are glad you will not be in their heavenly Sabbath to spoil it for them.

Not only do I plan to be there, but I look forward to not having the peace of heaven disrupted by Satan's children who think the word "commandment" means "suggestion".

 

[Phoneman777]

You've memorized it backwards to say what you want it to say. It actually says,

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Christ fulfilled it.

And you are operating under the false pretense that "fulfill" means "do away with".

Jesus told John they needed to "fulfill all righteousness" in Jordan..does that mean we no longer are required to live righteously? Ask Titus 2:11-12 KJV.

Remember when Paul said that he that doeth righteousness is righteous? What about those who refuse to keep God's law? What are they?

 

[Phoneman777]

By the obvious context that neither of you are looking at.

You mean the obvious context which is lost upon you who refuse to do God's will, right?

See, he's doubly ignorant.

So, we're going to just keep shutting your eyes and stopping your ears to the significant fact that "SABBATISMOS" is used in verse 9, while "KATAPOSIS" is used everywhere else in the passage?

If the Protestant Reformers were alive today, they know doubt would agree that Lamsa is spot on with his rendering.

 

[Phoneman777]

The Spirit of the Sabbath is that Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath rest. Col. 2:16-17

You think it is sleeping.

If only you understood that the "sabbath" mentioned in Colossians 2:16 KJV has nothing to do with God's Law, but is among a contextual list of thing pertaining to the Mosaic Law of offerings and refers to the yearly Mosaic "sabbath" Feasts which are "besides the (weekly) Sabbath of the Lord thy God", according to Leviticus 23...then you'd stop misapplying Paul's words.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, not Sunday. Trust and rest in the Holy Spirit of Christ. That is everyday.

So, we agree that "another day" refers to the Christian era...at least we have that in common

 

[Phoneman777]

Seeing as we are not under the law, it is NOT our duty to keep the letter of the law.

You do realize that the church is described in both Revelation 12:17 KJV and Revelation 14:12 KJV as "keeping the commandments of God", right? Also, Revelation 22:14 KJV says we are blessed who keep the commandments and we'll enter the kingdom, but those who refuse to do so will be left outside - and of whom in the end it says, "fire came down from God out of heaven and destroyed them all".

 

[Phoneman777]

The Sabbath is the sign of the Old Covenant. We are under the New Covenant. And it has a different sign. And not a day.

Not it isn't - it's a sign to anyone the Lord sanctifies, because those who are sanctified by God rest every seventh day Sabbath in demonstration of their inward rest in Jesus, which is what Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says.

If only people realized that "covenant" is just a fancy word for "agreement", then they would understand that a covenant is comprised of mutual agreed upon obligations...and they would stop trying to make the obligation of one side of the agreement the entire agreement by saying "the Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant".

If the Ten Commandments are the Old Covenant, then we may read Romans 3:31 KJV as:

"Do we then make void the "Old Covenant" through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the "Old Covenant."

 

[Phoneman777]

Those are the Commandments that Jesus taught, not the ones on Mt. Sinai. Those from Mt. Sinai are called the Fathers Commandments.

Wrong, Jesus Himself spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai:

Psalms 78:1-2 KJV:

"Give ear, O people, to MY law. Incline thine ears to the words of MY mouth...

(We can see clearly in this Hebrew Chaism that this verse is dealing with the Ten Commandments God spoke with His own mouth in the hearing of the ears of His people at Sinai, let's read the next verse in this Psalm to find out which "GOD" this is, shall we?)

"I will open MY MOUTH in parable, I will utter dark sayings of old...."​

Matthew 13:34-35 KJV:

"...and without a parable spake He not unto them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, I will open MY MOUTH in parable..."​

See what the Bible did there? It shows us that it wasn't the Father, but the Son Who spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai before He became a man and kept His own law - a law He was not willing to change even to save His own life. And, yet puny, pathetic humans presume to change His law or do away with it?

 

[Phoneman777]

The old covenant and old creation are fulfilled now we have a new covenant and a new creation

The only difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is where the law is written: first in stone, and now in our hearts.

A criminal can get out of jail and say, "I've found Jesus!!! I no longer want to worship Satan, blaspheme, have idols in my house, dishonor my parents, kill, fornicate, steal, lie, or covet"...and the entire evangelical world will shout with one hearty, collective "AMEN!"...

...but as soon as he says, "And I also want to demonstrate my inward rest in Jesus by resting outwardly every Sabbath according to the Fourth Commandment" -- everybody loses their flippin minds. Do you all not see this is a serious breakdown in logic which has much deeper implications about your own spirituality?

 

[Phoneman777]

Not does not even come even close to saying what you say ... but the Pharisees did.

I say what Jesus says...those who fight against the Sabbath are doing the word of Satan.