There Ain’t No Way This Guy Is Saved......Right?

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theefaith

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Since this thread has become a WHATEVER one wants to talk about thread.... Here is another report about the GOOD works that the Catholic Church has done. The pope has refused to make a public apology. This is the 3rd discovery of unmarked graves... in the last few weeks in Canada. There are 1000's of children that were ABUSED by the hands of Catholic Clergy... In this latest reference (below)... It is believed that the numbers are even higher due to many children trying to escape by swimming away from the Island and drowning.
I'm not sure what the punishment is for defending evil and calling it good... but defending Catholicism is a very foolish thing in my opinion.

VANCOUVER -- There has been another devastating discovery of unmarked graves near a residential school site in B.C., according to the local First Nation.

More than 160 "undocumented and unmarked" graves have been confirmed on Penelakut Island, formerly Kuper Island, according to a statement from Penelakut Tribe Chief Joan Brown that was circulated online Monday.

The small island off the coast of Chemainus was home to the Kuper Island Industrial School, a Catholic institution that operated from 1890 until 1975, and where many horrors have already been documented. Source: Vancouver News.

if this is true
sinners sin and you’re surprised
And are you gonna document all the Protestant school abuses also

Or just attact Christ?
Christ and His holy church are one acts 9:4
An attack on the holy church is an attack on Christ
You can’t blame the church for this cos the church does not teach people to do these things
 

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Oh my goodness @Michiah-Imla .... Yesterday I gave you a cookie.... and you liked it... and TODAY... .BB has given your post a like....
I think the tide might just be turning.... LOL

I am happy that we find agreement, at least, in the fact that Catholicism is not the owner of the salvation of men.
 

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@theefaith ... In order to follow this thread properly... I had to take you off ignore...
Every time you choose to continue posting your NONSENSE on this thread... I will report a heinous crime
inflicted by the Catholic Church.
The below article was posted a year ago... so the statistics are not accurate ( meaning they have increased since them ).

For decades, the Catholic Church has dealt with the priest sex abuse crisis as allegations have surfaced worldwide.

The church has paid out more than $3 billion to settle sexual abuse claims, according to an analysis of BishopAccountability.org, an online database that tracks the sex abuse crisis.

More than 6,800 U.S. Catholic priests have been credibly accused of sexual abuse, according to an analysis by BishiopAccountability.org of U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop data, and there are at least 19,000 survivors of sexual abuse by U.S. Catholic priests. (Source CHOU.11 news )


Like I said... I have had it up to my eyeballs with the over taking of these threads by those who simply want to cause STRIFE. YOU have tons of threads you have started... and could be attending to.

If you want to defend Catholicism.. then by all means... LET's GET HONEST about what this church really represents.
 

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Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles for the salvation of souls
The sacraments to give us His grace
Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10 his life of grace


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Are you saying this baptism can only be performed by a member of the RCC?
 

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John 14.6 also...


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

You can’t give the keys or authority or power to a confession!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42
Acts 8

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority of fathers! Heb 13:17

We must be taught by Christ, thru His church by the apostles, Jn 16:13 Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4
Lk 24:27 acts 8:30-31 thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
 

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@theefaith ... In order to follow this thread properly... I had to take you off ignore...
Every time you choose to continue posting your NONSENSE on this thread... I will report a heinous crime
inflicted by the Catholic Church.
The below article was posted a year ago... so the statistics are not accurate ( meaning they have increased since them ).

For decades, the Catholic Church has dealt with the priest sex abuse crisis as allegations have surfaced worldwide.

The church has paid out more than $3 billion to settle sexual abuse claims, according to an analysis of BishopAccountability.org, an online database that tracks the sex abuse crisis.

More than 6,800 U.S. Catholic priests have been credibly accused of sexual abuse, according to an analysis by BishiopAccountability.org of U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop data, and there are at least 19,000 survivors of sexual abuse by U.S. Catholic priests. (Source CHOU.11 news )


Like I said... I have had it up to my eyeballs with the over taking of these threads by those who simply want to cause STRIFE. YOU have tons of threads you have started... and could be attending to.

If you want to defend Catholicism.. then by all means... LET's GET HONEST about what this church really represents.
Nothing to do with the true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles but the modernist apostate Vatican 2 counterfeit church
The holy church produces saints not sinners
The church never taught anyone to do these things and where is the documentation on the Protestant? Equal time pal
 

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CNN —
For more than three decades, the Catholic Church has been rocked by sex abuse scandals spanning the globe.

And for decades, the church has been accused of protecting itself rather than the victims of child sexual abuse.

Here are some major scandals and revelations involving the Catholic Church and allegations of abuse.

USA, 1985


Father Thomas Doyle warned of sexual abuse by clergy in a report given at the US conference of bishops. It was ignored.

Gilbert Gauthe in Louisiana became the first to gain national attention in a case of a priest accused of sexual abuse. In 1985, he admitted to abusing 37 boys and pleaded guilty to 34 criminal counts, reported the New York Times. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison, but released after 10 years.

Austria, 1998
Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër of Vienna was forced to give up all his duties amid allegations he molested young boys. A statement by Groer asked for forgiveness but made no admission of guilt, reported the BBC.

USA, 2002
Former priest John Geoghan became a central figure in the clergy sexual abuse crisis in Boston, along with Cardinal Bernard Law who admitted receiving a letter in 1984 outlining allegations of child molestation against Geoghan. Law assigned Geoghan to another parish despite the allegations.

From 1962 to 1995, Geoghan sexually abused approximately 130 people, mostly grammar school boys, according to victims. Church officials ordered him to get treatment or transferred him, but kept him on as a priest. The Boston Globe coverage on sexual abuse by clergy brought the issue to the forefront. The story was later adapted into the award-winning movie Spotlight.

Geoghan was found guilty of molesting a boy in a swimming pool and sentenced to prison in 2002. A year later, he died after an attack by another inmate at the state prison.

Law resigned as archbishop of Boston in 2002.

USA, 2004
Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002, according to a report compiled by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
 
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USA, 1985

Father Thomas Doyle warned of sexual abuse by clergy in a report given at the US conference of bishops. It was ignored.

Gilbert Gauthe in Louisiana became the first to gain national attention in a case of a priest accused of sexual abuse. In 1985, he admitted to abusing 37 boys and pleaded guilty to 34 criminal counts, reported the New York Times. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison, but released after 10 years.

Austria, 1998
Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër of Vienna was forced to give up all his duties amid allegations he molested young boys. A statement by Groer asked for forgiveness but made no admission of guilt, reported the BBC.

USA, 2002
Former priest John Geoghan became a central figure in the clergy sexual abuse crisis in Boston, along with Cardinal Bernard Law who admitted receiving a letter in 1984 outlining allegations of child molestation against Geoghan. Law assigned Geoghan to another parish despite the allegations.

From 1962 to 1995, Geoghan sexually abused approximately 130 people, mostly grammar school boys, according to victims. Church officials ordered him to get treatment or transferred him, but kept him on as a priest. The Boston Globe coverage on sexual abuse by clergy brought the issue to the forefront. The story was later adapted into the award-winning movie Spotlight.

Geoghan was found guilty of molesting a boy in a swimming pool and sentenced to prison in 2002. A year later, he died after an attack by another inmate at the state prison.

Law resigned as archbishop of Boston in 2002.

USA, 2004
Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002, according to a report compiled by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

modernist Vatican 2 apostates
Not the one true church founded by Christ

still no documentation on the sins of hundreds of Protestant clergy????
 

theefaith

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I didn’t know you guys have the secret water.
Kinda like that old McDonalds commercial where the hamburglar is after the secret sauce?

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

ez 36:25-27
 

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Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

ez 36:25-27
Good grief!!!!
 

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This is all from ONE article... I will stop here as I think I have made my point... @theefaith It's cool to debate ... but not to come into threads with the announcement that all protestants are fallen from GRACE due to NOT being Catholic.... Grab some respect....

Multiple countries 2010


Allegations of sexual abuse spread across a half dozen countries – including Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland and Brazil, home of the world’s largest Catholic population.

Revelations about church abuse included the Munich, Germany, archdiocese where Pope Benedict XVI once served as archbishop.

Under the Pope’s tenure as archbishop in the early 1980s, the Munich archdiocese ignored warnings to keep a molesting priest away from children, said the doctor, Werner Huth, who issued those warnings. Huth demanded the priest, Rev. Peter Hullermann never be allowed to interact with children again. Instead, the church allowed the priest to return to work and to deal with children. Hullermann was convicted of abusing minors in 1986. Pope Benedict had left the Munich archdiocese for a new post in 1982.

The Netherlands, 2011
Thousands of children suffered from sexual abuse in the Dutch Roman Catholic Church over more than six decades, and about 800 “possible perpetrators” have been identified, according to an independent Commission of Inquiry, issued in 2011.

Dominican Republic 2014

Jozef Wesolowski, a former Vatican ambassador to the Dominican Republic was found guilty of sexual abuse of minors by a Vatican tribunal and defrocked in 2014. He was accused of sexual abuse of minors and possession of child pornography during his time as papal nuncio to the Dominican Republic. Italy’s Corriere della Sera reported that Wesolowski’s laptop contained more than 100,000 files with pornographic images and videos.

Wesolowski was the highest-ranking Catholic official arrested for alleged sexual abuse of minors. He died in 2015, before he could be put on trial.

Cardinal George Pell, one of the most senior members of the Catholic Church, was charged with multiple historical sexual assault offenses in his home country of Australia, police said.

Pell serves as a top adviser to Pope Francis and is the Vatican’s top financial adviser. In 2013, he was named one of eight cardinals tasked with investigating ways to reform the church. He is the most senior member of the Catholic Church in Australia.

Pell said he’s innocent and maintains that the charges are false.

Earlier in the year, a commission found that 7% of Australian priests were accused of abusing children between 1950 and 2015.
 

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That about sums it all up.

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Isa 22:21-22
eph 2:20

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by the apostles of Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments.

In Christ Matt 28-18-20 I am with you, Jn 15:5 in His grace and truth by the power of the Holy Spirit! Jn 1:16-17
 

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This is all from ONE article... I will stop here as I think I have made my point... @theefaith It's cool to debate ... but not to come into threads with the announcement that all protestants are fallen from GRACE due to NOT being Catholic.... Grab some respect....

Multiple countries 2010


Allegations of sexual abuse spread across a half dozen countries – including Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland and Brazil, home of the world’s largest Catholic population.

Revelations about church abuse included the Munich, Germany, archdiocese where Pope Benedict XVI once served as archbishop.

Under the Pope’s tenure as archbishop in the early 1980s, the Munich archdiocese ignored warnings to keep a molesting priest away from children, said the doctor, Werner Huth, who issued those warnings. Huth demanded the priest, Rev. Peter Hullermann never be allowed to interact with children again. Instead, the church allowed the priest to return to work and to deal with children. Hullermann was convicted of abusing minors in 1986. Pope Benedict had left the Munich archdiocese for a new post in 1982.

The Netherlands, 2011
Thousands of children suffered from sexual abuse in the Dutch Roman Catholic Church over more than six decades, and about 800 “possible perpetrators” have been identified, according to an independent Commission of Inquiry, issued in 2011.

Dominican Republic 2014

Jozef Wesolowski, a former Vatican ambassador to the Dominican Republic was found guilty of sexual abuse of minors by a Vatican tribunal and defrocked in 2014. He was accused of sexual abuse of minors and possession of child pornography during his time as papal nuncio to the Dominican Republic. Italy’s Corriere della Sera reported that Wesolowski’s laptop contained more than 100,000 files with pornographic images and videos.

Wesolowski was the highest-ranking Catholic official arrested for alleged sexual abuse of minors. He died in 2015, before he could be put on trial.

Cardinal George Pell, one of the most senior members of the Catholic Church, was charged with multiple historical sexual assault offenses in his home country of Australia, police said.

Pell serves as a top adviser to Pope Francis and is the Vatican’s top financial adviser. In 2013, he was named one of eight cardinals tasked with investigating ways to reform the church. He is the most senior member of the Catholic Church in Australia.

Pell said he’s innocent and maintains that the charges are false.

Earlier in the year, a commission found that 7% of Australian priests were accused of abusing children between 1950 and 2015.



CNN —
For more than three decades, the Catholic Church has been rocked by sex abuse scandals spanning the globe.

And for decades, the church has been accused of protecting itself rather than the victims of child sexual abuse.

Here are some major scandals and revelations involving the Catholic Church and allegations of abuse.

we are also appalled and oppose these things
But it the modernist Vatican 2 counterfeit apostates not Christ and His church lead by the true Popes and bishops in union with Him
Jn 16:13

still where’s the Protestant sins

or is their heresy bad enough

A bad tree cannot produce good fruit