There Ain’t No Way This Guy Is Saved......Right?

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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?
 
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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is do obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?

There are many who know about Jesus, but is He their Lord, or do they just want Him as their Savior. Matthew 7:21-23; Galatians 5:19-21
 

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Maybe something happened that made him backslide and open his life to other things………but deep down he knows the truth about Jesus…….. this is why we need to be careful about judging a book by its cover, only the Lord knows his journey and what has led to him going down the wrong paths of addiction and anger.
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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is do obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?

Is he still saved, providing he was once saved? No, as shown below, a believer can become unsaved again.

Jas 5:19 My BROTHERS, if anyone among YOU wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,

Jas 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will SAVE HIS SOUL FROM DEATH and will cover a multitude of sins.

Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the childrenof disobedience.


Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.
 
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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is do obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?
I'd say the Pharisee said to the publican, I'm glad I'm not like you!
 
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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?
This is a tragic mistake that TOO many people make.

Confessing a belief in Christ is NOT enough - and Jesus Himself states this:
Matt. 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.

Belief is important - but means absolutely NOTHING without obedience in love.
 

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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?


Well if he is running around doing all you said still, odds are He may not be saved. Just because someone knows some right words does not mean they have reached their hearts and saved their souls. That is for Jesus to decide!
 

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Is he still saved, providing he was once saved? No, as shown below, a believer can become unsaved again.
Precious friend:
(1) God NEVER UNsaves those To whom HE Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!
Jas 5:19 My BROTHERS, if anyone among YOU wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,

Jas 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will SAVE HIS SOUL FROM DEATH and will cover a multitude of sins.
(2) Out of context = James is TO The TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL! (ch 1, vs 1)
This is a Violation of Rule # 3 of Bible "study" Rules ! Thus:

God NEVER UNsaves those To whom HE Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!

Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the childrenof disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.
(3) Yes, TO The Body Of CHRIST, But, Again, Out of context/Misinterpreted = ignoring:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that THE UNrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such WERE some of you: but {NOW righteous} ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in The Name of the Lord Jesus, and by The Spirit of our God.

This is God's OPERATION And
NO puny sinful man can UNdo IT!

Again, this is a Violation of RuleS # 3 AND 6 of Bible "study" Rules ! Thus:

God NEVER UNsaves/UNwashes/UNsanctifies/UNjustifies those To whom HE
Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!

(4) CHRIST Has ALWAYS KNOWN
them that ARE HIS! And, YES, they
Should "DEPART from all iniquity!" (2 Timothy 2:19; Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB!) =
God's SURE SEAL!!
+
(5) CHRIST NEVER KNEW
them "that are NOT HIS!" (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB!)

Conclusion: there is NO Scriptural Doctrine of God, Teaching:

"Christ ONCE Knew you {saved}, but now He Does NOT Know you {UNsaved}" =
IMPOSSIBLE!!!


FULL {
NOT a few pet, fragmented "out of context, misinterpreted" dubious verses}
{Many} Plain AND Clear {verses} "studies":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance


Be Blessed!
 

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Even demons believe in Jesus.

True faith works itself out as obedience to the Lord.

And how do we know that he is talking about the biblical Jesus?

Matthew 24:24
King James Version

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



A Jesus that does not give grace to turn from sin is not the biblical Jesus.
 

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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?
That's all any of us have are opinions. But maybe he meant that all the good self-help formulas use the "Jesus" thing? I have no idea.

My opinion is that a born again person will become different, maybe not as much different as we think they should, and maybe not in the directions we are looking. So my opinion is that our opinions are worthless. But I'd certainly be wanting to engage him in spiritual discussion, and share as much Bible with his as I could.

Much love!
 

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Maybe something happened that made him backslide and open his life to other things………but deep down he knows the truth about Jesus…….. this is why we need to be careful about judging a book by its cover, only the Lord knows his journey and what has led to him going down the wrong paths of addiction and anger.
Rita
I was that way for many years. I know I had been born again, but maybe nobody else knew!

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Jas 5:19 My BROTHERS, if anyone among YOU wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,
The Jews were likewise James' brothers. I find this interpretation oversimplistic in that it doesn't take that fact into account, and denies the truthfulness of other plainly stated passages, such as 1 John 3:1-3, or Colossians 3:1-4, I think. As born again children of God, our final outcome is certain, having been declared in no uncertain terms by God.

Much love!
 

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Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
So then apply these to yourself, keeping in mind Jesus' demonstration in the sermon on the mount, Adultry is looking in lust, uncleanness, lasciviousness, all in the mind, variance and strife, seriously, apply this to yourself.

I fail. In my flesh, these works are done.

Of course, this is a key fact. Paul said, if you do these. Paul also said,

Romans 7:17 KJV
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

And therefore he could also say,

Romans 8:1 KJV
1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Who is he who walks after the Spirit?

Romans 8:9 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Our lives are found in our flesh, or in the Holy Spirit. The old man, the new man. The child of Adam, the child of God. Flesh, spirit.

If so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Much love!
 
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Precious friend:
(1) God NEVER UNsaves those To whom HE Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!

(2) Out of context = James is TO The TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL! (ch 1, vs 1)
This is a Violation of Rule # 3 of Bible "study" Rules ! Thus:

God NEVER UNsaves those To whom HE Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!


(3) Yes, TO The Body Of CHRIST, But, Again, Out of context/Misinterpreted = ignoring:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that THE UNrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such WERE some of you: but {NOW righteous} ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in The Name of the Lord Jesus, and by The Spirit of our God.

This is God's OPERATION And
NO puny sinful man can UNdo IT!

Again, this is a Violation of RuleS # 3 AND 6 of Bible "study" Rules ! Thus:

God NEVER UNsaves/UNwashes/UNsanctifies/UNjustifies those To whom HE
Gives HIS FREE Gift of
ETERNAL {NOT temporary} Life, In The Body Of CHRIST!

(4) CHRIST Has ALWAYS KNOWN
them that ARE HIS! And, YES, they
Should "DEPART from all iniquity!" (2 Timothy 2:19; Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB!) =
God's SURE SEAL!!
+
(5) CHRIST NEVER KNEW
them "that are NOT HIS!" (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB!)

Conclusion: there is NO Scriptural Doctrine of God, Teaching:

"Christ ONCE Knew you {saved}, but now He Does NOT Know you {UNsaved}" =
IMPOSSIBLE!!!


FULL {
NOT a few pet, fragmented "out of context, misinterpreted" dubious verses}
{Many} Plain AND Clear {verses} "studies":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance


Be Blessed!

Sorry, you’re too late, I’ve read Pauls many warnings where He specifically says BE NOT DECEIVED about living sinfully as a believer.

1. There’s not one set of NT scriptures for Jewish Christians, and another for gentile Christians - all are one in Christ.

2. The early church was all Jewish, every apostle was Jewish- being to the Jewish believers doesn’t cancel James out.

3. James was about the church -

Jas 5:13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise.

Jas 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Non Christian Jews go to synagogue, not to church.

This is written to Christians- being Jewish Christians, as the entire church in Acts 2 was, is irrelevant to James warning.
 
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I am actually really angry that the OP is saying the man in this example is a believer. What a terrible example this is!

Because of men like this, Christianity is mocked. (2 Peter 2).

But then again, Blood bought knew this is the reaction his words would bring. I don't need to respond to his threads anymore. Ill get kicked off this site.
 

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The Jews were likewise James' brothers. I find this interpretation oversimplistic in that it doesn't take that fact into account, and denies the truthfulness of other plainly stated passages, such as 1 John 3:1-3, or Colossians 3:1-4, I think. As born again children of God, our final outcome is certain, having been declared in no uncertain terms by God.

Much love!

Try reading the whole New Testament in context, instead of proof texts.
 

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OSAS?

Paul makes clear that after we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between our wanting to walk in the flesh, (that wants us to live in sin)- and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us - and Paul warns that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns us over and over, that if we as believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die (spiritually) - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded isDEATH, but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind isENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


And Romans 8 is talking about spiritual death, not physical death, as proven by the prodigal son, who died spiritually while he was out in the world sinning:


In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, thus the son represents believers who are Gods adopted sons.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened,who *were dead* in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.


Yes, the soul of a believer can die:


Jas 5:19 My BROTHERS, if anyone among YOU wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,


Jas 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will SAVE HIS SOUL FROM DEATH and will cover a multitude of sins.


And in Verse 8:7 of Romans above, believers having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


Will God let His enemies into heaven?


Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.


The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY, and the verse that follows proves the Jas 4:4 warning above, is to believers, not the unsaved:


The next verse makes even more clear that the warning against living a lifestyle of sexual sins is to the BRETHREN:


1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, YOUR SANCTIFICATION: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

1Th 4:4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,

1Th 4:5 not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

1Th 4:6 that no one transgress and wrong his BROTHER in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly WARNED you.

1Th 4:7 For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness.

1Th 4:8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.


Our sanctification is to abstain from sexual immorality, verse 3, above.


We are expected and required as believers, to live the most sinless life we can, and to repent when we know we’ve sinned.


Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.


In the two verses below, You can see the conditional part of these scriptures that are always left out by hyper-grace, OSAS teachers.


1Jn 1:7 But (IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light), we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


The blood of Jesus cleansing the believer is conditional on their choosing to continue to walk in the light, as He is in the light.


Next:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, (who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit).


Having no condemnation, and remaining in Christ, is conditional upon continuing to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.


And Paul warns us against being deceived about living in sin as a believer, when he wrote:


Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH,that shall he also REAP.


Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting


You reap everlasting life only if you sow to the spirit (walk after the Spirit, Romans 8:1) , but reap spiritual death if you sow to your flesh.


When we do occasionally sin, we must confess it, for God to forgive it. 1 John 1:9.


The lies of hyper grace are twofold: you don’t ever need to repent after salvation when you sin; and you can’t lose salvation.


This makes grace a license to sin, since sin has no eternal penalty.


Thus if you want a mistress on the side, you can have one, and regularly commit adultery - or if you’re a drunkard you can get drunk every day - you can live a sinful lifestyle with impunity.


I personally know people that are living in sin, and use OSAS as their sinning license, and they get angry if you tell them that Paul warned the brethren in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that living in the sin of drunkenness or adultery, etc, will keep them out of heaven.


In that passage, Paul warns some of the believers that they are defrauding their brethren, (which is stealing, being a thief) then warns them that stealing, and other sins, will keep them from heaven:


1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD and that yourbrethren.


1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Another warning by Paul, to the saints of God, about living a sinful lifestyle as a child of God:


Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;


Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the children of disobedience.


Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.


In Luke 8 Jesus tells the parable of the sower who sows the seed of the word of God.


Some seed sown lands on a rock. The seed GROWS, and thus results in new life, but then it withers and dies.


Jesus in the example of the seed sown on a rock, shows that some people BELIEVE for a while, but then FALL AWAY.


Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed...


Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.


Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, *receive the word with joy*; and these have no root, which FOR A WHILE BELIEVE, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY.


Notice above, they *received the word with joy*


To receive the word with joy, is to become a follower of Jesus Christ:


1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the wordin much affliction, with joyof the Holy Ghost.


Some believe for a while, then fall away.
 

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We may mince words as Christians not wanting to be "judgemental".

But just ask any nonbeliever what a person is when they don't live like what they talk about.

Its called hypocrisy.

They see it so why don't we?