What do Calvinists believe?

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Jacob Arminius writes,

“IN the state of Primitive Innocence, man had a mind endued with a clear understanding of heavenly light and truth concerning God, and his works and will, as far as was sufficient for the salvation of man and the glory of God; he had a heart imbued with ‘righteousness and true holiness,’ and with a true and saving love of good; and powers abundantly qualified or furnished perfectly to fulfill the law which God had imposed on him. This admits easily of proof, from the description of the image of God, after which man is said to have been created, (Gen 1:26-27) from the law divinely imposed on him, which had a promise and a threat appended to it, (Gen 2:17) and lastly from the analogous restoration of the same image in Christ Jesus. (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10)

But man was not so confirmed in this state of innocence, as to be incapable of being moved, by the representation presented to him of some good, (whether it was of an inferior kind and relating to this animal life, or of a superior-kind and relating to spiritual life) inordinately and unlawfully to look upon it and to desire it, and of his own spontaneous as well as free motion, and through a preposterous desire for that good, to decline from the obedience which had been prescribed to him. Nay, having turned away from the light of his own mind and his chief good, which is God, or, at least, having turned towards that chief good not in the manner in which he ought to have done, and besides having turned in mind and heart towards an inferior good, he transgressed the command given to him for life. By this foul deed, he precipitated himself from that noble and elevated condition into a state of the deepest infelicity, which is under the dominion of sin. For ‘to whom any one yields himself a servant to obey,’ (Rom 6:16) and ‘of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage,’ and is his regularly assigned slave. (2 Pet 2:19)

Below Arminius affirms total depravity.



In this state, the free will of man towards the true good is not only wounded, maimed, infirm, bent, and weakened; but it is also imprisoned, destroyed, and lost. And its powers are not only debilitated and useless unless they be assisted by grace, but it has no powers whatever except such as are excited by Divine grace. For Christ has said, ‘Without me ye can do nothing.’ St. Augustine, after having diligently meditated upon each word in this passage, speaks thus: ‘Christ does not say, without me ye can do but Little; neither does He say, without me ye can do any Arduous Thing, nor without me ye can do it with difficulty. But he says, without me ye can do Nothing! Nor does he say, without me ye cannot complete any thing; but without me ye can do Nothing.’ That this may be made more manifestly to appear, we will separately consider the mind, the affections or will, and the capability, as contra-distinguished from them, as well as the life itself of an unregenerate man.”

Arminius further writes,

“THIS is my opinion concerning the free-will of man: In his primitive condition as he came out of the hands of his creator, man was endowed with such a portion of knowledge, holiness and power, as enabled him to understand, esteem, consider, will, and to perform the true good, according to the commandment delivered to him. Yet none of these acts could he do, except through the assistance of Divine Grace. But in his lapsed and sinful state, man is not capable, of and by himself, either to think, to will, or to do that which is really good; but it is necessary for him to be regenerated and renewed in his intellect, affections or will, and in all his powers, by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit, that he may be qualified rightly to understand, esteem, consider, will, and perform whatever is truly good. When he is made a partaker of this regeneration or renovation, I consider that, since he is delivered from sin, he is capable of thinking, willing and doing that which is good, but yet not without the continued aids of Divine Grace.” 7



Jacobus Arminius: Works of James Arminius, Vol. 1 - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
 

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Through our involuntary existence we find ourselves capable of voluntary actions. If we say otherwise we refute that God gave Adam and Eve an option to obey or not to obey.

Predetermination and Freewill are married. They are two sides of the same coin and are not mutually exclusive, which is why even Calvinists were once children of wrath dead in trespasses and sins following the way of the world. Oops!

Eph 2:1-3 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, (2) in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, (3) among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
 

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Calvinism is all 5 points or nothing.

I understand what the other's mean. It is T I'm having trouble getting a definition of. Is it Total Depravity before being born again, or still after being born again? What is interesting is I've never met a nice Calvinist.
 
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I made a post in this forum; please vote. I'm serious, the question has bothered me for years about Calvinists, and no Calvinist I've found agrees with each other. If you don't agree with either statement in the poll, then tell me why.

I'm not WoF because they have too many misinterpretations, but they have more faith in their little finger, than a room full of Calvinists put together. And so do Seventh-day Adventists. At least they are not lawless, though they don't know much about the New Covenant at all.

I agree my sister, there are many who differ. There are 5 pointers, 4 pointers 2 and 1 pointers...(T.U.L.I.P.) so, even within their own reformed beliefs, they nor any other denomination...are in accord.


The simple!... Gospel...is what we need to stick to.
 
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The ism , Is the SCHISM . IF only we taught JESUS, the gospel and all His teachings and later what the apostels taught .
How simple it could have been . Truly how simple it could have been .
 

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I agree my sister, there are many who differ. There are 5 pointers, 4 pointers 2 and 1 pointers...(T.U.L.I.P.) so, even within their own reformed beliefs, they nor any other denomination...are in accord.


The simple!... Gospel...is what we need to stick to.

Except, there are those who define the gospel in very, very liberal terms, believing Jesus takes away all punishment for sin, and others with supernatural terms toward holiness. I'm in the supernatural category, that Jesus takes away our carnal nature, and creates a new nature free from willful sins of evil lawlessness. That is what was prophesied in Daniel 9:24, and Jeremiah 31:31-34.
 

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The ism , Is the SCHISM . IF only we taught JESUS, the gospel and all His teachings and later what the apostels taught .
How simple it could have been . Truly how simple it could have been .

Jesus has made it very simple indeed. He has taken away our desire to sin, and written His laws on our hearts which is super-sensitizing our conscience to the extreme, making it impossible to go against your conscience. 1 John 3:21-24. Just obey your conscience, and stay in loving fellowship with your Christian brethren. What could be simpler? "My yoke is easy, and My burden is light." He has done it all in us without any works on our part. Just walk in the Spirit and do what comes naturally to your reborn spiritual nature.
 

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If you go to a local church by default you follow ism’s
Authoritarianism in some cases. Often cloaked in rites and rituals of ordination and elevation, but intent on controlling by domination, intimidation, manipulation, and seduction. Jesus Himself had strong words against such.
 

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Authoritarianism in some cases. Often cloaked in rites and rituals of ordination and elevation, but intent on controlling by domination, intimidation, manipulation, and seduction. Jesus Himself had strong words against such.

I'm trying to think if I follow any isms and I can't think of any. Is abidingism a word?
 
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Charismatic if not you should change your screen name as it’s misleading

For the uninformed, maybe. Charismatic is not Pentecostal. It is a general term for "Spirit-filled." Just like "Christian" is a general term. Pat Robertson of the 700 Club is Charismatic, but he is a Baptist. There are Charismatic Episcopals. Charismatic Catholics. And, of course, Charismatic Pentecostals.
 

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For the uninformed, maybe. Charismatic is not Pentecostal. It is a general term for "Spirit-filled." Just like "Christian" is a general term. Pat Robertson of the 700 Club is Charismatic, but he is a Baptist.
But your beliefs are the same as hinn and copeland
 

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But your beliefs are the same as hinn and copeland

ROFL No they are not. In fact, I would love to sit down with them and teach them what name it and claim it means. Among other things. I do not believe Jesus went to hell and there was born again. That was a new one for me, as I don't listen to either of them, just hearsay. But their hearts are good, so I think they would be receptive. They certainly wouldn't have to change their whole way of thinking to get in line with the truth as some people would in completely false doctrines. At least they are not Cessationists.
 

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It is a general term for "Spirit-filled."
The only problem is that there are hundreds of thousands of Spirit-filled non-Charismatics. The meaning of "Spirit-filled" has been perverted. Jesus of Nazareth was Spirit-filled 100% of the time 24/7. But the only language He spoke was Aramaic (the spoken language of Israel at that time).
 
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