God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Curtis]

You have much to learn.

Ive learned it already, TYVM.

 

[Brakelite]

Except every quote is correctly in context and on the money.

The scriptures, call the ten commands THE COVENANT on two tables of stone, and the ark of the covenant contained the two tables of the covenant written in stone.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, thatthe LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.


Thus scripture, clearly says the Decalogue is the covenant - and scripture clearly states the old covenant

All good until here... You have inferred here that the "old covenant" is the ten commandments. You won't find that in scripture.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

The first covenant was made in Eden between God and Adam when God ironized a Savior. Surely you wouldn't suggest this was faulty?

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

Agree. How does this help your argument that the law and the prophets are done away with?

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH

The ministration... Not the Commandments themselves... There is a vast difference.

The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.

Sorry to have to inform you of this, but the penalty if sin is still death.

BTW sabbath keepers ignore the required penalty under the law of Moses for those breaking the sabbath day command, which is tp put them to death.
If the command is still in effect, the penalty is still in effect.

So if a Christian hates his brother without a cause, he won't die? If a Christian cookies adultery or lists after his neighbor's wife, thus being guilty of adultery and covetousness, he won't die?
But those who do remember to keep the Sabbath holy, are guilty?

 

[Curtis]

@Curtis
KJV Exodus 20:1-2
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. I am about to put you into even greater bondage by giving you My law.

Curtis Translation of the OT Scriptures.

Read Galatians 4:21-31. That’s exactly what God did.

From Egyptian bondage to the bondage of trying to earn righteousness by keeping 613 statutes, commands, and ordinances to the last jot and tittle - to contrast with grace through faith and repentance in the new covenant, for our righteousness.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the MOUNT SINAI, which gendereth to BONDAGE, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

In Acts 15, the apostles all came together to decide what to do about Jewish converts to Christianity who insist that Christians still had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses:


Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Peter calls the law of Moses a yoke of bondage that they nor their fathers could bear:

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

The decision was a letter telling gentile believers they need keep only from the law of Moses a few things:

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:

Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

I’ve done my due diligence on these things for years.

Whatever claim you make, the truth from the new covenant had the answers, which you do not want to accept.

Shalom

 

[Curtis]

The first covenant was made in Eden between God and Adam when God ironized a Savior. Surely you wouldn't suggest this was faulty?

Do I have to post the rest of Hebrews 8:and 9, which proves the new covenant brought and mediated by Jesus, is the promised Jeremiah 31 new covenant with the HOUSES OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH?

Do I also have to spend time proving that the first covenant referred to there, was the first covenant given to Israel, and not the first covenant ever given?

The fact alone that it says a new covenant WITH the House of Israel, is proof that it references the first covenant that was given to Israel, which was on mount Sinai.

Sorry, but you can’t spin the facts.

 

[Curtis]

All good until here... You have inferred here that the "old covenant" is the ten commandments. You won't find that in scripture.

Except I already proved there, that the ten commands are called THE COVENANT ON TWO TABLES OF STONE.

What was written and engraven on two tables of stone?

What was kept in the ARK OF THE COVENANT?

Hint: the ten commands engraven on tables of stone aka THE TABLES OF THE COVENANT

1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

It’s irrefutable that the ten commands are called the covenant.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.


Now, are you going to deny the undeniable, again, with these facts?

Shalom

 

[Brakelite]

Ive learned it already, TYVM.

No. Here is an excellent post that explains why you, and many others, are mistaken regarding what the old covenant actually is.
God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It was written to a church putting themselves under the law of Moses. The old covenant is GONE the Decalogue is called THE COVENANT ON TABLES OF STONE- therefore the ten ended, replaced by the superior two love commands.

You, cannot wiggle yourself out of YOUR dilemma, which is not the validity or invalidity of the Law, but your constant referring to and total dependence on what YOU call <<the old covenent>> supposed to be <<of God>>. YOUR dilemma I have challenged you about from the start of this conversation - in fact have challenged the whole caboodle of you Sundaypagadarians to SHOW but of course you could not show for the life of you all combined. With my God I overwhelm an army of hearts of steel with the Letter of God that KILLS!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[Brakelite]

From Egyptian bondage to the bondage of trying to earn righteousness

And right here is your principle mistake. You believe God gave them His Commandments in order that they should earn righteousness? After all that He taught Abraham, 'and his faith was accounted to him for righteousness', and all that the prophets taught, 'the just shall live by faith', you still, despite all the evidence to the contrary, believe God is so cruel and miserable that he would give Israel an impossible task. Look again at the Ten Commandments. They are not impossible requirements. God did not burden Israel, or us, with impossibilities.

KJV Exodus 20:1-17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Let me pause here... Who brought Israel out of bondage, and what kind of bondage is it that all mankind needs freedom from? Now, so long as God is doing the work, and we have faith in that work, the following become promises...
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

The love, the grace, the mercy of God is revealed in His willingness to do for us what we cannot do for ourselves. He does not ask of us anything that we cannot, with His strength, accomplish. That includes especially obedience to His Commandments. That's true grace. Not taking away the law, or lowering the standard of righteousness. But lifting is to the standard by His grace and power.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It was written to a church putting themselves under the law of Moses.

The Law was written to the Church putting themselves under the Law of Moses and not under the Law of Christ. Spot the ball and win your soul.

 

[Brakelite]

Except I already proved there, that the ten commands are called THE COVENANT ON TWO TABLES OF STONE.

What was written and engraven on two tables of stone?

What was kept in the ARK OF THE COVENANT?

Hint: the ten commands engraven on tables of stone aka THE TABLES OF THE COVENANT

1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

It’s irrefutable that the ten commands are called the covenant.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.


Now, are you going to deny the undeniable, again, with these facts?

Shalom

So please prove how the ten commandments were faulty.

 

[BarneyFife]

Get serious

Let's see just how serious I can be.

For every text that obscurely hints a believer can disobey and live (after all, obedience is just "Judaizing"), you will find a hundred that say "obey and live"--"disobey and die."

I can't stop those who want to play footsie with the devil. I wouldn't even want to. The only thing I value more highly than religious liberty is my own family's salvation.

Nevertheless:

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)

If I didn't quote it, it would still be true. (Let God be true, but every man a liar. Romans 3:4)

To disregard these words of our Lord is to forfeit wisdom which, of course, is an easy trap to fall into in this "information age."

Do I seem insincere? If so, There's nothing more to be said.

 

[BarneyFife]

The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.

Yet, strangely enough, God evidently pulled a fast one on us by placing a disposable command to keep His day holy right in the middle of His eternal moral code for human beings.

Either that or He, in fact, put it right where it belongs.

 

[BarneyFife]

The first five Books of Moses are the books of the law, not the rest of the Old Testament.

Where is this rigid, yet imaginary distinction made in the Bible? Where does the Apostle Paul make it? And aren't the Psalms and proverbs inspired? Where are they represented in the term "law and prophets?" Christ recognizes every word that proceeds from His Father's mouth as law. The word law is not so distinctively used in the Bible as many "scholars" portray.

 

[BarneyFife]

Ive learned it already, TYVM.

And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. (1 Corinthians 8:2)

 

[BarneyFife]

Except I already proved there, that the ten commands are called THE COVENANT ON TWO TABLES OF STONE.

What was written and engraven on two tables of stone?

What was kept in the ARK OF THE COVENANT?

Hint: the ten commands engraven on tables of stone aka THE TABLES OF THE COVENANT

1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

It’s irrefutable that the ten commands are called the covenant.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.


Now, are you going to deny the undeniable, again, with these facts?

Shalom

The tables of the covenant are indeed the ten commandments. They are God's promise of what he will do in the hearts of men if they draw nigh unto Him. The old covenant is the words of the children of Israel claiming to be able to keep the commandments without a heart connection to Him.

O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! (Deuteronomy 5:29)

The reference to old and new covenants is so abused today as to be nearly meaningless. This is probably why the Bible refers to the "everlasting covenant."

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good for them. I will put a desire in their hearts to worship me, and they will never leave me. (Jeremiah 32:40)

 

[BarneyFife]

We read in Acts 13:42, 44
42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Please note that the Jews gathered together on the seventh day of the week [Saturday] and also note the term "next" in Strong's Concordance means "between" therefore, in this case, "next/between sabbaths" would mean the day after Saturday will have to mean Sunday the first day of the week.

Now the most significant and profound Scripture reference concerning the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath worship [which BTW, can't be seen in the English translation] is Matthew 28:1 that reads:
"In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

Please note that the printer is warning the English reader that words in italicize in the KJV Bible, are not in the original manuscripts. Also note that the word "week" is the plural Hebrew word "sabaton" that can be proven.

Hence, Matthew 28:1 can be rendered thus:
"In the end of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths came Mary..."

Now Matthew 28:1 seems to be in harmony and that God teaches us that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the First Day Sabbath which to us is Sunday.

To God Be The Glory

The Bible was written for the common man so, erm, Baloney! Harmony? Give me a break. More like Babylonian confusion.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The old covenant is GONE the Decalogue is called THE COVENANT ON TABLES OF STONE- therefore the ten ended, replaced by the superior two love commands.

Re: <<...the ten . replaced by the two love commands>>--Festering from the putrefying brain.
Jesus said: "On these two Commandments hang ALL the Commandments."

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The tables of the covenant are indeed the ten commandments. They are God's promise of what he will do in the hearts of men if they draw nigh unto Him. The old covenant is the words of the children of Israel claiming to be able to keep the commandments without a heart connection to Him.

O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! (Deuteronomy 5:29)

The reference to old and new covenants is so abused today as to be nearly meaningless. This is probably why the Bible refers to the "everlasting covenant."

The ESSENCE of the issue.
Thanks and praise be to God
Barny Fife, God bless you richly

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

“Sabbaths, new moons, and set feasts” answer to “days, months, times.” 1Chronicles 23:31

As far apart Scriptures as the east from the west. Bad, inferior, exegesis with wicked intention for diabolic purpose which "INSTANTLY MUST BE RESISTED" (Bunyan) and persistently REJECTED.