God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Davy, do you realize, that if you do the calculation of the time that this takes place, that it is actually the first evening portion of the second day of the week? Seriously, go back and read the account by Luke, then combine with this passage.

Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
Luk 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Luk 24:22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
Luk 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
Luk 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
Luk 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Luk 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
These (following) references are to the second day and later of the week (John 20:1; context of Luke 24:13-36, already dark by the time of the upper room, which is another reason they did not recognize Jesus entering with the two other disciples from Emmaus, for He had walked back with them, unseen, and entered unseen, even as Jesus had done so with the two while walking before they had reached their own house. There is no teleporting, or ghosting through walls here. Jesus has a real body of flesh and bones (immortal)) and later (John 20:19) effectively and respectively (contextually, John 20:1 being a reference to a period of time after the sun had set, and the next reference (John 20:19) to after eight days beyond that):

John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn
Look again:

Luk_24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
We can see that they (disciples and Jesus) were still walking to Emmaus while it was yet "day" (light out, with the sun still out), and yet it began to grow late in the day, and the sun was beginning to go down. It was getting near supper time. It was not yet night (sun down). Yet, while they eat, Jesus makes known who He is, and vanishes from their sight (no, Jesus is not aethereal, He is simply invisible to their eyes), and they being astonished, run all the way back to Jerusalem where the other disciples were hiding behind closed doors. Now the distance from Emmaus to Jerusalem, we are told, is "threescore furlongs" ("A Greek measure of length, being 600 Greek ft., or 100 orguiai equal to 606 3/4 English ft., and thus somewhat less than a furlong, which is 660 ft." - Link and thus is about 7-8 Miles going uphill as we would know them).

7-8 Miles is a long way to run when the sun is setting, going back uphill (Jerusalem, the city on a hill). This would take quite a bit of time, and also to relate what they had seen before Jesus appears. It would be dark, by the time these reached Jerusalem and the other disciples, being the final "evening" (when the sun did set, see Mark 1:32).

Therefore, when John says, "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

We know the timeframe it refers to. It was the end of the first day of the week, in the "evening", when the sun was set, which in reality, is another way of saying the 'second [day] of the week', contextually. The text refers to the "evening" at the end of the "first [day] of the week" which scripturally means the actual "second [day] of the week". I am not rewriting the text here. I am simply demonstrating that John is using a parallel language to say the same thing another way. It would be akin to saying the "Robe is purple.", and another person saying, the "Robe is a mixture of the shades of red and blue." Again, it can be said that the 11 apostles were in the locked room on the 'first [day] of the week' (for fear of the Jews mind you), all the time that the events on the road to Emmaus took place, the supper, and the two running back to Jerusalem, and by the time they got there the evening came and the second day started.

Thus it was in actuality the second day of the week that Jesus appeared to them. Then we see another appearance "after eight days", which would place the following meeting, again, no matter how it is calculated (inclusive or exclusive), not upon the "first [day] of the week", but afterward:

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
There is no consistent meeting only upon the "first day of the week" in all of the New Testament.

You perfectly understand. You have no excuse. Bigot and bigots, apply the above same truth and methodology to Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38,39,40 Luke 23:50 Exodus 12:8 et al.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Is there anything which I personally do as a habit, a custom, a tradition, even a teaching, or even a thinking, which cannot be sustained by God's word, and might be contrary to that example therein and if so, will I give it up to follow God?

All holy talk

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Matthew 28:1 is confusing because it sounds self contradictory. Dawn is not the beginning of the Hebrew day, but dusk. Sabbath starts at dusk on Friday and ends at dusk on Saturday. This is the Hebrew convention now as it was then and based upon Genesis 1:5.

Nothing up here <<is the convention now as it was then>> and nothing of this is <<based upon Genesis 1:5.>> NOTHING!

Matthew 28:1 is NOT confusing and it does NOT sound self contradictory.

The dawning of a new century was, the ending part of the century before it. With days it is no different.
The English 'dawn' can be either the dawning of the day which follows, or the dawning of the daylight which follows.
<<Dawn is not the beginning of the Hebrew day, but dusk>> is because 'dusk' is after sunset the beginning part of the "evening". <at sunset> is ambiguous.
Therefore Sabbath does not start <at dusk> nor <on Friday>;
Sabbath starts sunset with dusk starting, starting the "evening" starting the night starting the day.
And so the Bible Sabbath ends sunset after Saturday afternoon ending Saturday and Sabbath daylight.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Nothing up here <<is the convention now as it was then>> and nothing of this is <<based upon Genesis 1:5.>> NOTHING!

Matthew 28:1 is NOT confusing and it does NOT sound self contradictory.

The dawning of a new century was, the ending part of the century before it. With days it is no different.
The English 'dawn' can be either the dawning of the day which follows, or the dawning of the daylight which follows.
<<Dawn is not the beginning of the Hebrew day, but dusk>> is because 'dusk' is after sunset the beginning part of the "evening". <at sunset> is ambiguous.
Therefore Sabbath does not start <at dusk> nor <on Friday>;
Sabbath starts sunset with dusk starting, starting the "evening" starting the night starting the day.
And so the Bible Sabbath ends sunset after Saturday afternoon ending Saturday and Sabbath daylight.

So 6000 years of Jewish history are wrong or you're just offended by the conventional use of the word dusk. Have a nice life.

 

[BarneyFife]

The great Jehovah had laid the foundations of the earth; He had dressed the whole world in the garb of beauty and had filled it with things useful to man; He had created all the wonders of the land and of the sea. In six days the great work of creation had been accomplished. And God “rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.” God looked with satisfaction upon the work of His hands. All was perfect, worthy of its divine Author, and He rested, not as one weary, but as well pleased with the fruits of His wisdom and goodness and the manifestations of His glory.


After resting upon the seventh day, God sanctified it, or set it apart, as a day of rest for man. Following the example of the Creator, man was to rest upon this sacred day, that as he should look upon the heavens and the earth, he might reflect upon God's great work of creation; and that as he should behold the evidences of God's wisdom and goodness, his heart might be filled with love and reverence for his Maker.


In Eden, God set up the memorial of His work of creation, in placing His blessing upon the seventh day. The Sabbath was committed to Adam, the father and representative of the whole human family. Its observance was to be an act of grateful acknowledgment, on the part of all who should dwell upon the earth, that God was their Creator and their rightful Sovereign; that they were the work of His hands and the subjects of His authority. Thus the institution was wholly commemorative, and given to all mankind. There was nothing in it shadowy or of restricted application to any people.


God saw that a Sabbath was essential for man, even in Paradise. He needed to lay aside his own interests and pursuits for one day of the seven, that he might more fully contemplate the works of God and meditate upon His power and goodness. He needed a Sabbath to remind him more vividly of God and to awaken gratitude because all that he enjoyed and possessed came from the beneficent hand of the Creator.


God designs that the Sabbath shall direct the minds of men to the contemplation of His created works. Nature speaks to their senses, declaring that there is a living God, the Creator, the Supreme Ruler of all. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.” Psalm 19:1, 2. The beauty that clothes the earth is a token of God's love. We may behold it in the everlasting hills, in the lofty trees, in the opening buds and the delicate flowers. All speak to us of God. The Sabbath, ever pointing to Him who made them all, bids men open the great book of nature and trace therein the wisdom, the power, and the love of the Creator.

 

[robert derrick]

I understand a lot of Muslims are converting to Christianity.
I'm saying God will call who He chooses to call, when He chooses to call them.
And it's not for us to judge another's servant.

I could sit here and bash any or all religions. What kind of fruit would that produce?
When Jesus was telling about the good samaritan.
His purpose wasn't to accuse the two men that walked past the guy who got beaten and robbed.
(although he did mention it to show a comparison between bad behavior and good behavior)
His purpose was to show us, that no matter what walk of life we find ourselves, whether we be a priest, a jew, or a samaritan,
God uses whom he uses when ever he chooses.
He plants seeds in any heart that has good soil in it.
Some hearts just aren't ready, some are downright rebellious, and when the time is right,
The Lord knows how to perfectly plow and fallow that heart to make it ready fro new growth.

There are a lot of religions in the world that do not seek to plough or fallow anything except their own desires.
I don't seek a following, or money or fame, or any recognition whatsoever.
It's not about me.

There is only one Faith and that is the Faith of and in Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
There is no other name in which one can be saved.
Not Pope this or Father that or Pastor this or Imam that...
But each will come in the Lord's good time.

There is a calling happening in the world right now today around the world.
Not to return to this denomination or that religion,
This calling is the Lord calling people to Himself.
And I see it everywhere..
At the same time there is a great darkness spreading over the earth.
People are lost, confused, angry, and downright rebellious.

I don't remember anyone holding my hand and saying meet the Lord.
He just made Himself known to me. And I followed where he led.
And now I'm here...
it doesn't matter where "here" is.
And it's not a physical location, it's where you are in the stage of life itself.
And I don't need to be "required" to attend a particular house here or there..
Because we are all "here" in whatever stage you find yourself.

No one can tell me what I already know, and a few can teach me what I haven't learned already.
But the only thing worth learning is the Lord Himself.
His Spirit, His Fruit, His requirements of me. Not man's.

You can lead a horse to water, but unless the Lord makes that horse thirsty, you won't make them drink.
The same it is with every person on earth in whatever place they are at anytime.
Your not going to be able to make the horse thirsty... but you can be there to supply the cup of water, or the loaf of bread, or a warm coat, and perhaps even shelter. But your not doing it. The Lord is working through you.
Just like the good samaritan that helped the man who was beaten and robbed, was the Lord working through the Samaritan.
He can and will work through anyone He chooses, and not who we think is worthy to be chosen.

Hugs

So you are simply saying that from all walks of life countries religions etc. people are repainting and believing Jesus

and apparently you have no desire to be preached to or to preach to others

The only problem is when we do not follow scripture that has given us for our benefit especially when what is given us as well we stand in whereby we are able to stand with him which is the preaching of the gospel

The danger becomes a gospel that we have formed in shape in our own mind without any correction from others

 

[robert derrick]

The great Jehovah had laid the foundations of the earth; He had dressed the whole world in the garb of beauty and had filled it with things useful to man; He had created all the wonders of the land and of the sea. In six days the great work of creation had been accomplished. And God “rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.” God looked with satisfaction upon the work of His hands. All was perfect, worthy of its divine Author, and He rested, not as one weary, but as well pleased with the fruits of His wisdom and goodness and the manifestations of His glory.


After resting upon the seventh day, God sanctified it, or set it apart, as a day of rest for man. Following the example of the Creator, man was to rest upon this sacred day, that as he should look upon the heavens and the earth, he might reflect upon God's great work of creation; and that as he should behold the evidences of God's wisdom and goodness, his heart might be filled with love and reverence for his Maker.


In Eden, God set up the memorial of His work of creation, in placing His blessing upon the seventh day. The Sabbath was committed to Adam, the father and representative of the whole human family. Its observance was to be an act of grateful acknowledgment, on the part of all who should dwell upon the earth, that God was their Creator and their rightful Sovereign; that they were the work of His hands and the subjects of His authority. Thus the institution was wholly commemorative, and given to all mankind. There was nothing in it shadowy or of restricted application to any people.


God saw that a Sabbath was essential for man, even in Paradise. He needed to lay aside his own interests and pursuits for one day of the seven, that he might more fully contemplate the works of God and meditate upon His power and goodness. He needed a Sabbath to remind him more vividly of God and to awaken gratitude because all that he enjoyed and possessed came from the beneficent hand of the Creator.


God designs that the Sabbath shall direct the minds of men to the contemplation of His created works. Nature speaks to their senses, declaring that there is a living God, the Creator, the Supreme Ruler of all. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.” Psalm 19:1, 2. The beauty that clothes the earth is a token of God's love. We may behold it in the everlasting hills, in the lofty trees, in the opening buds and the delicate flowers. All speak to us of God. The Sabbath, ever pointing to Him who made them all, bids men open the great book of nature and trace therein the wisdom, the power, and the love of the Creator.

The Sabbath was committed by God to Moses, who then passed it by commandment to the children of Israel in the wilderness.

adding things to Scripture beforehand, where there is no Scripture, is proof of trying to hold to false doctrine

 

[Ziggy]

So you are simply saying that from all walks of life countries religions etc. people are repainting and believing Jesus

and apparently you have no desire to be preached to or to preach to others

The only problem is when we do not follow scripture that has given us for our benefit especially when what is given us as well we stand in whereby we are able to stand with him which is the preaching of the gospel

The danger becomes a gospel that we have formed in shape in our own mind without any correction from others

What we are called to be is a good example of Christ himself, here and now in me on earth.
I am not called to teach, preach, prophecy, or speak in tongues.
I am simply a woman who believes in the Lord, has faith in the Lord,
Believes the Lord uses me for His good works, whether that be praying or comforting or providing to others to the best of my ability that He has blessed me with.
I am to walk the walk of the path He has set before me.
And I have hope that if Jesus can call me to know Him, then anyone is also able to come to know Him.
And it's not for us to open and close doors to those who are called, or even chosen for specific offices.
So far I haven't been given an office other than a wife (twice) a mother (once) and a daughter.
I share what I believe or how I hear and understand what the word of God says to me.
Not everyone will agree and not everyone will disagree. We all hear things as we each are able to hear it.
And one message may not be for all but maybe or a few or a couple.
But I do know, that many things people share here, I am in agreement or disagreement with.
Perhaps I have not graduated to this level or that, or others haven't graduated to the level I am.
Not that I figure I'm on a specific level because it changes daily.
Some days I know more than others. Other days I need to relearn something I thought I already learned.
But this doesn't come from a particular people or denomination or group.
This sharing of knowledge and understandings is absolutely biblical as Paul says:

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

It doesn't mean everything we bring up for discussion will be the perfect end all of that discussion.
It means we are to work together and perfect those discussions together, so eventually we all have a good general common understanding of what the Gospel means and how to understand the scriptures as they relate to us individually and as a whole body.

We're still growing.
And the Lord leaves the invitation open to any and all who want to come and follow Him.

The danger becomes a gospel that we have formed in shape in our own mind without any correction from others

I only know of one Gospel and that is the one Jesus preached while standing in the Synagogue,
Which is the same Gospel we are to bring to the world.

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

What is the acceptable year of the Lord?

Thank You robert derrick
HUGS

 

[robert derrick]

The great Jehovah had laid the foundations of the earth; He had dressed the whole world in the garb of beauty and had filled it with things useful to man; He had created all the wonders of the land and of the sea. In six days the great work of creation had been accomplished. And God “rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.” God looked with satisfaction upon the work of His hands. All was perfect, worthy of its divine Author, and He rested, not as one weary, but as well pleased with the fruits of His wisdom and goodness and the manifestations of His glory.


After resting upon the seventh day, God sanctified it, or set it apart, as a day of rest for man. Following the example of the Creator, man was to rest upon this sacred day, that as he should look upon the heavens and the earth, he might reflect upon God's great work of creation; and that as he should behold the evidences of God's wisdom and goodness, his heart might be filled with love and reverence for his Maker.


In Eden, God set up the memorial of His work of creation, in placing His blessing upon the seventh day. The Sabbath was committed to Adam, the father and representative of the whole human family. Its observance was to be an act of grateful acknowledgment, on the part of all who should dwell upon the earth, that God was their Creator and their rightful Sovereign; that they were the work of His hands and the subjects of His authority. Thus the institution was wholly commemorative, and given to all mankind. There was nothing in it shadowy or of restricted application to any people.


God saw that a Sabbath was essential for man, even in Paradise. He needed to lay aside his own interests and pursuits for one day of the seven, that he might more fully contemplate the works of God and meditate upon His power and goodness. He needed a Sabbath to remind him more vividly of God and to awaken gratitude because all that he enjoyed and possessed came from the beneficent hand of the Creator.


God designs that the Sabbath shall direct the minds of men to the contemplation of His created works. Nature speaks to their senses, declaring that there is a living God, the Creator, the Supreme Ruler of all. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.” Psalm 19:1, 2. The beauty that clothes the earth is a token of God's love. We may behold it in the everlasting hills, in the lofty trees, in the opening buds and the delicate flowers. All speak to us of God. The Sabbath, ever pointing to Him who made them all, bids men open the great book of nature and trace therein the wisdom, the power, and the love of the Creator.

God rested from his work, and then he put Adam to work to do his part

we enter into God‘s rest when we cease from our own works of righteousness to do the righteousness of God only

there is no rest for the weary who continue in their own work of righteousness by outward obedience of Sabbath that is no longer commanded by God

especially when it becomes the wearisome work of trying to prove this or that day for a Sabbath that no longer is commanded to obey

 

[robert derrick]

What we are called to be is a good example of Christ himself, here and now in me on earth.
I am not called to teach, preach, prophecy, or speak in tongues.
I am simply a woman who believes in the Lord, has faith in the Lord,
Believes the Lord uses me for His good works, whether that be praying or comforting or providing to others to the best of my ability that He has blessed me with.
I am to walk the walk of the path He has set before me.
And I have hope that if Jesus can call me to know Him, then anyone is also able to come to know Him.
And it's not for us to open and close doors to those who are called, or even chosen for specific offices.
So far I haven't been given an office other than a wife (twice) a mother (once) and a daughter.
I share what I believe or how I hear and understand what the word of God says to me.
Not everyone will agree and not everyone will disagree. We all hear things as we each are able to hear it.
And one message may not be for all but maybe or a few or a couple.
But I do know, that many things people share here, I am in agreement or disagreement with.
Perhaps I have not graduated to this level or that, or others haven't graduated to the level I am.
Not that I figure I'm on a specific level because it changes daily.
Some days I know more than others. Other days I need to relearn something I thought I already learned.
But this doesn't come from a particular people or denomination or group.
This sharing of knowledge and understandings is absolutely biblical as Paul says:

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

It doesn't mean everything we bring up for discussion will be the perfect end all of that discussion.
It means we are to work together and perfect those discussions together, so eventually we all have a good general common understanding of what the Gospel means and how to understand the scriptures as they relate to us individually and as a whole body.

We're still growing.
And the Lord leaves the invitation open to any and all who want to come and follow Him.



I only know of one Gospel and that is the one Jesus preached while standing in the Synagogue,
Which is the same Gospel we are to bring to the world.

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

What is the acceptable year of the Lord?

Thank You robert derrick
HUGS

I perfectly understand where you’re coming fro. after all Paul himself said that some people come together for the worse than the better, so it is true that no pulpit is better than a bad pulpit

nonetheless Scripture declares we are not to for sake the assembling of ourselves for the preaching of the gospel, by which we were saved and in which we stand, and so I searched and I found a place where those preaching do well and preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and being washed in the blood of the lamb

I do not waste my time at places where they are more of a Christian philosophy center than a place where the gospel of the cross is preached and the Spirit of God ministers

God Bless

 

[Ziggy]

especially when it becomes the wearisome work of trying to prove this or that day for a Sabbath that no longer is commanded to obey

Will you feel the same way when they begin to enforce the Sun Day commandment again?
It's coming.. it's part of that new green deal to make everyone dependent on a one world order.
They (globalists, politicians, clergy) have been speaking about this for years.
Problem is, there are still too many people to make comply.
Between Christians and Jews and Muslims, that covers Friday, Saturday, Sunday.. some religions are Thursday.
But they will find a way to bring everyone under one umbrella, which is what I believe Pope Francis has been trying to do with opening the Catholic church to all religions around the world.
Once we all fall in line with her, then they will impose the Sun Day law.

What would be your position on that?
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

I perfectly understand where you’re coming fro. after all Paul himself said that some people come together for the worse than the better, so it is true that no pulpit is better than a bad pulpit

nonetheless Scripture declares we are not to for sake the assembling of ourselves for the preaching of the gospel, by which we were saved and in which we stand, and so I searched and I found a place where those preaching do well and preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and being washed in the blood of the lamb

I do not waste my time at places where they are more of a Christian philosophy center than a place where the gospel of the cross is preached and the Spirit of God ministers

God Bless

That's why I enjoy this Forum. I can't leave my house very well. And I don't know the churches that are located more than 20 miles from me.
So I do not forsake the assembling with others of like faith, because for almost a year I have been here nearly daily.
And this may bother some people because I am not face to face. just as Paul was not face to face while he was in his prison,
nevertheless I read, I write, I share my trials and tribulations and pray with others who are having theirs.

And this is not "my righteousness" . This is where the Lord landed me and how I respond is what He lays on my heart.

This forum has become my home.
I pay more attention to things happening here, than I do with the dishes piling up in my sink, or my bed not being made..lol
Sometimes I don't sleep because I am studying what other people are posting and , well, all I can say is this Forum has been and is a blessing to me.
And everyone that participates.. is family to me.

So thank you Brother Robert,
Much Love
Hugs

 

[farouk]

That's why I enjoy this Forum. I can't leave my house very well. And I don't know the churches that are located more than 20 miles from me.
So I do not forsake the assembling with others of like faith, because for almost a year I have been here nearly daily.
And this may bother some people because I am not face to face. just as Paul was not face to face while he was in his prison,
nevertheless I read, I write, I share my trials and tribulations and pray with others who are having theirs.

And this is not "my righteousness" . This is where the Lord landed me and how I respond is what He lays on my heart.

This forum has become my home.
I pay more attention to things happening here, than I do with the dishes piling up in my sink, or my bed not being made..lol
Sometimes I don't sleep because I am studying what other people are posting and , well, all I can say is this Forum has been and is a blessing to me.
And everyone that participates.. is family to me.

So thank you Brother Robert,
Much Love
Hugs

@Ziggy Discussing the Scriptures with others in this way can be really encouraging, especially for those who can't get out easily.... :)

 

[QuickFilly]

TheRoman Catholic Church didn't approve of people Judaising on the Sabbath Day, so they changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
Sun Day.
About 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian Mithraists introduced the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshiping the sun, into the Roman Empire. Later, as Christianity grew, church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non-Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the church’s ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jews’ rejection of the Savior. The first day of the week began to be recognized as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.

The Roman emperor Constantine, a former sun-worshiper, professed conversion to Christianity, though his subsequent actions suggest the “conversion” was more of a political move than a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

Note that Constantine’s law did not even mention Sabbath but referred to the mandated rest day as a “the venerable day of the sun.” And how kind he was to allow people to observe it as it was convenient. Contrast this with God’s command to observe the Sabbath “even during the plowing season and harvest” (Exodus 34:21)! Perhaps the church leaders noticed this laxity as well, for just four years later, in A.D. 325, Pope Sylvester officially named Sunday “the Lord’s Day,” and in A.D. 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote, “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord’s Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it.”

Instead of the humble lives of persecution and self-sacrifice led by the apostles, church leaders now exalted themselves to the place of God. “This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world” (1 John 4:3).

Catholic Church admits they changed the Sabbath to Sunday

It wasn't until Theodosius I that Christianity became the official faith in Rome.
And there is a lot of contention as to whether or not Constantine personally converted to the faith.
But think about the Roman Rite church that evolved from that edict.
Even today it is a political body itself as well as a false and pagan church.

 

[ReChoired]

All holy talk

Tit_2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

 

[robert derrick]

That's why I enjoy this Forum. I can't leave my house very well. And I don't know the churches that are located more than 20 miles from me.
So I do not forsake the assembling with others of like faith, because for almost a year I have been here nearly daily.
And this may bother some people because I am not face to face. just as Paul was not face to face while he was in his prison,
nevertheless I read, I write, I share my trials and tribulations and pray with others who are having theirs.

And this is not "my righteousness" . This is where the Lord landed me and how I respond is what He lays on my heart.

This forum has become my home.
I pay more attention to things happening here, than I do with the dishes piling up in my sink, or my bed not being made..lol
Sometimes I don't sleep because I am studying what other people are posting and , well, all I can say is this Forum has been and is a blessing to me.
And everyone that participates.. is family to me.

So thank you Brother Robert,
Much Love
Hugs

For seeking the assembling of ourselves is not a commandment that requires us to assemble at one place or time or in a certain frequency

that is how the letter of the law kills the spirit of the law

Your condition and situation is not of the attitude of the assembly as in you have no regard for it

That's why I enjoy this Forum. I can't leave my house very well. And I don't know the churches that are located more than 20 miles from me.
So I do not forsake the assembling with others of like faith, because for almost a year I have been here nearly daily.
And this may bother some people because I am not face to face. just as Paul was not face to face while he was in his prison,
nevertheless I read, I write, I share my trials and tribulations and pray with others who are having theirs.

And this is not "my righteousness" . This is where the Lord landed me and how I respond is what He lays on my heart.

This forum has become my home.
I pay more attention to things happening here, than I do with the dishes piling up in my sink, or my bed not being made..lol
Sometimes I don't sleep because I am studying what other people are posting and , well, all I can say is this Forum has been and is a blessing to me.
And everyone that participates.. is family to me.

So thank you Brother Robert,
Much Love
Hugs

Forsaking the assembly is a purposed refusal, not an accident nor condition of physical ability.

You are not able to hear the preaching of the Gospel in person, due to your circumstances in life, and so you assemble in the best way possible, in person and by technology.

This is why the spirit of the law must always be considered, rather than the letter only that kills the Spirit.

The Scripture is warning against them that claim faith of Christ, and yet have absolutely no regard for the rest of His body and Gospel. They no doubt have form of godliness of their own sort, but deny the power of God in ministry of Scripture and exhortation to one another.

Jesus will be returning to receive His body unto Himself, and the islands will flee away from His presence. (Rev 6,16)

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. (Jude 19)

Sister Zig

 

[Ziggy]

It wasn't until Theodosius I that Christianity became the official faith in Rome.
And there is a lot of contention as to whether or not Constantine personally converted to the faith.
But think about the Roman Rite church that evolved from that edict.
Even today it is a political body itself as well as a false and pagan church.

I don't know if I would call it a church but more of an institution.

We have a serious problem today, it's called propaganda. And it is infecting every aspect of our lives.
The media is controlled by propaganda on both sides to cause division between the people. ALL PEOPLE.
We are being infiltrated by foreign interference which have control over what is heard and what is said.
They have censorship controls in place for "your" protection.
Your freedom of speech and what you believe are being attacked daily, and making people not trust one another.

Having said that..

What I understand in the past, the Roman Catholic Church had the only authority to interpret scripture.
You weren't allowed to have your own copy, or even question their authority of interpretation.
It was a form of censorship. And the people "protested" not being able to read for themselves what was written.
When they were able to read for themselves, they found many discrepencies of what was being preached and what the scriptures actually said.
No different than the Saducees and Pharisees in Jesus' day.
And so the people revolted and they were called protestants.

Having said that...

Today, if we don't stand up and protest against this censorship of free speech which by the unalienable right of our Creator, written into the Constitution of the US, if we fail to hold onto this God given right...
We will be subjected once again under a tyrannical authoritarian world wide government, in which there will be no escape.
The only way out will be by literally taking up your cross and following after the liberty in which the Lord has given us.

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.

There will be another inquisition..
it has already begun.
But it won't be from the Roman Catholic Church, (even though they will not lift a finger to stop it, because they are complicit)
It will be China and we will all come under Communist rule.
The writing is on the wall..
Learn to read the scriptures, don't let man tell you what they say, read them for yourself.
Learn to use your voice, don't let man tell you what you can and can not say, speak for yourself.

LEARN TO THINK FOR YOURSELF.
Don't let man tell you what to think.
Follow the Spirit God has put within you.
Do not navigate or be persuaded to leave your morals and principles and commonsense behind.

It's going to get difficult.
STAY STRONG
KEEP THE FAITH
TRUST GOD

HUGS

 

[QuickFilly]

I don't know if I would call it a church but more of an institution.

We have a serious problem today, it's called propaganda. And it is infecting every aspect of our lives.
The media is controlled by propaganda on both sides to cause division between the people. ALL PEOPLE.
We are being infiltrated by foreign interference which have control over what is heard and what is said.
They have censorship controls in place for "your" protection.
Your freedom of speech and what you believe are being attacked daily, and making people not trust one another.

Having said that..

What I understand in the past, the Roman Catholic Church had the only authority to interpret scripture.
You weren't allowed to have your own copy, or even question their authority of interpretation.
It was a form of censorship. And the people "protested" not being able to read for themselves what was written.
When they were able to read for themselves, they found many discrepencies of what was being preached and what the scriptures actually said.
No different than the Saducees and Pharisees in Jesus' day.
And so the people revolted and they were called protestants.

Having said that...

Today, if we don't stand up and protest against this censorship of free speech which by the unalienable right of our Creator, written into the Constitution of the US, if we fail to hold onto this God given right...
We will be subjected once again under a tyrannical authoritarian world wide government, in which there will be no escape.
The only way out will be by literally taking up your cross and following after the liberty in which the Lord has given us.

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.

There will be another inquisition..
it has already begun.
But it won't be from the Roman Catholic Church, (even though they will not lift a finger to stop it, because they are complicit)
It will be China and we will all come under Communist rule.
The writing is on the wall..
Learn to read the scriptures, don't let man tell you what they say, read them for yourself.
Learn to use your voice, don't let man tell you what you can and can not say, speak for yourself.

LEARN TO THINK FOR YOURSELF.
Don't let man tell you what to think.
Follow the Spirit God has put within you.
Do not navigate or be persuaded to leave your morals and principles and commonsense behind.

It's going to get difficult.
STAY STRONG
KEEP THE FAITH
TRUST GOD

HUGS

And guess what institution is all for this new style inquisition?

 

[Ziggy]

And guess what institution is all for this new style inquisition?

I don't know what your thinking, but I see how it is taking shape.
We have the W.H.O , the CDC, almost all governments are bowing down to the science god.
The mandates, the carrots and sticks for complying or not being compliant are all in place.
Justice has left the building. There is no fairness or law and order in the land.
Lawlessness is becoming the norm.

My favorite Psalm:
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psa 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

It is always darkest before the dawn.
Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Heb 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

Ephesians Chapter 6.

The thing that bothers me is, that with the technology they have today, I'm not so worried about bamboo shoots or the stretching apparatus, or the even dismembering or whatever other tortures can be imagined,
What bother's me is the ability to manipulate the way you think.
I pray that if ever I am brainwashed or brain dead, that my heart and my soul will never forget the words I've come to hope and believe in.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I trust the Lord.

Hugs

 

[robert derrick]

Will you feel the same way when they begin to enforce the Sun Day commandment again?
It's coming.. it's part of that new green deal to make everyone dependent on a one world order.
They (globalists, politicians, clergy) have been speaking about this for years.
Problem is, there are still too many people to make comply.
Between Christians and Jews and Muslims, that covers Friday, Saturday, Sunday.. some religions are Thursday.
But they will find a way to bring everyone under one umbrella, which is what I believe Pope Francis has been trying to do with opening the Catholic church to all religions around the world.
Once we all fall in line with her, then they will impose the Sun Day law.

What would be your position on that?
Hugs

Since I cancelled all media out of my life, when they got away with stealing the White House, I don't know what you're talking about.

Nothing and no one propagandizes and infiltrates me.

And if there were some sort of law-enforced rule, then I would make a decision whether to comply or to break it and let chips fall where they may.

One thing about all this is that I live in a good town in Texas, where the garbage of insane despots is not enforced by local police.

I give unto Caesar only what is Caesar's right to take. The same as Jesus did: a penny.