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God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    A laughing matter to you. To be expected.
     
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    Christ has come, the Redeemer has come out of Sion.

    I have been set free from the power of sin and of false doctrine. I now let all such go by without so much as a glance.

    False teachings are become water off the duck's back, that believes what is written only, and rightly divides the Word of truth, between what is of God and what is of man.

    Sabbathug commandos are clearly not sent from God to falsely accuse the brethren. Endlessly.

    Sabbatistas: roving rebel separatists in the body of Christ.
     
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    rdp is false. I can't do anything about it. Only this I MUST say, that the above is said everything against the Lord of the Sabbath. According to rdp Jesus is each of the blasphemies he shouts in his post. Each of them being against Scripture is against the Spirit of God breathing Holy Scripture. God will take care of that; it is none of my business or concern, although I, strangely, feel sorry for the man. I don't understand why, maybe I'm supposed to. God forgive me my cold heartedness. I will pray for him, God forgive him, he cannot know what he is doing, I think.
     
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    Reading rdp, though my outward man may feel like perish, I will not faint; for the inward man is renewed day by day by excersize in the Word of God.
     
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    I don't go by feeling, but by faith. What you call a feeling is the conviction of the Holy Spirit against rejecting the truth.

    When you keep your own Sabbath, you do well. When you judge and condemn others for not keeping your Sabbath, you sin grievously.

    The real question is why Sabbath-keepers resent it so much, when other lovers of Jesus reject it as commandment today.

    The argument here is not about keeping a Sabbath. The argument is about keeping one as law. No one is even suggesting keeping a Sabbath is wrong, much less trying to dissuade any from doing so.

    Why then do such Sabbath-keepers fight against them only reject it as law? It cannot possibly be any effort to instruct in righteousness and rescue the ignorant and disobedient. Scripture says after the first or 2nd admonition to reject the heretic and go our way. To continue to argue with 'unbelievers' is the foolishness of vanity and pride.

    Even having a good argument over details of Scripture pertaining to this or that day as the 'Sabbath day', is fine, and intellectually healthy. But why then go to law over it?

    Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Such fully persuaded adults don't then try to push their persuasion on others, which is childish.
     
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    If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    The Sabbath commandment was less than that of circumcision, and so could not be greater than the law and made apart from the law, since it was made subject to the law and even lawfully broken to keep the law of circumcision.

    And yet they say the Sabbath is still commandment today, because it is greater than the law of Moses, which was done away. Then why was it not said by Jesus to be the greatest of commandments?

    The great commandments to love God and our neighbors as ourselves fulfill the whole law. If the Sabbath commandment is apart from that law, then it is not fulfilled by the great commandments: it therefore has nothing to do with loving God and our neighbors as ourselves, which fulfills the righteousness of the law.

    Against the great commandments, there is no law. To say there is a commandment apart from the great ones, also greater than the law, is to say there is a commandment against the great commandments: the Sabbath commandment.

    There is indeed a commandment against the great commandments and lifted up above the law, and it is made by man, not by the risen God of Israel in His New Testament:

    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Keeping a Sabbath is good. Making it commandment to push upon believers, does nothing to fulfill the great commandments and nullifies worshipping God in spirit and in truth.
     
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    There is no law of God against the great commandments of God. You must be crazy
     
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    @GerhardEbersoehn
    I prepared quite a lengthy response to your 2 posts, but as I was finishing up, I thought to myself:

    "What's the point? It's not going to bear any good fruit. It'll probably just end up inviting more sinful derision to either myself or my brethren."

    And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
    (Isaiah 32:17)
    God bless you, GE.
     
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    The real question is why you conflate "warning" with "resentment." Sabbath-keepers generally feel an obligation to WARN those who dismiss the 4th commandment while acknowledging the other 9. It's really not rocket science. The notion that God pulled a fast one on us by inserting a temporary, disposable, and ritualistic requirement into His eternal moral code for humanity is, frankly, absurd. You may call this resentment if you think that'll get you off the hook with God. I highly doubt it will do the trick.

    He struck Ananias and Sapphira dead for not making good on a contribution to the Gospel. This is an object lesson, of course, but rarely applied today and, as with most Bible truths of WARNING, it is usually spiritualized away somehow when brought up in contemporary times. Jesus Christ is a vengeful God, as well as a gentle Saviour, according to Scripture (Hebrews 10:30). Evangelicals cannot fathom or stomach this, except to wave an eternally burning hell in front of the uninitiated as an incentive to turn from their lives of rebellion.

    I could deny all of this, but the Truth will out, regardless of my rhetoric.
     
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    "Others," meaning you, I suppose. It's not possible that you have formed a gospel in the shape of your own mind, is it?
     
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    Assurance. God will
    God bless you too, my brother in the Lord
     
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    The real question is why you conflate "warning" with "resentment."

    1. Once again, you reject the Scripture to continue in your own way. An admonition of Scripture is a 'warning':

    A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    And this Scripture has now warned you twice about continuing in vain argument with them that don't believe you, and should be dismissed by you as heretics. And so, in obedience to Scripture, I will no longer bother engaging you personally, if you do not repent.

    2. You separatists have made it very clear on many occasions, that this is not just a discussion about the 'benefits' of keeping a Sabbath, but is an all pout assault and accusation directly against those believers that don't, and that they are judged by you as transgressors of God's commandment and will be damned with the unbelievers.

    Or am I mistaken? If I refuse to keep a Sabbath in obedience to a carnal commandment, will I be found clothed and washed in the blood of the Lamb on that day?

     
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    If you refuse to keep the Sabbath in obedience to a carnal commandment, you refuse to keep the Sabbath in obedience to a carnal commandment. But now it's worse. If you refuse to keep the Sabbath in obedience to a carnal commandment it is GOD'S Commandment you call and make a carnal commandment.
    So carry on chum, If you refuse to keep the Sabbath in obedience to a carnal commandment, you WILL find in that day you're NOT clothed and washed in the blood of the Lamb.
     
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    Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers, and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    The argument of Sabbath commanders about keeping the commandment of the sabbath, without being required to keep the whole law of Moses, is that those commandments are eternal and separate from the 'regular' law of God from the mount.

    There is no Scripture stating that. It is a construct to keep a commandment of the law, without keeping the whole law.

    And yet Scripture places all such commandments within the law. Circumcision as Jesus points out was not given by Moses in the law, but rather by God to Abraham as a token of His covenant of promise with him.

    And yet, Jesus says that circumcision must be done on the 8th day, else the law is broken. Not a covenant token, but the law of Moses. Circumcision given by covenant with Abraham became subordinate to the law given by God to Moses.

    And the Sabbath, which did not become commandment until the wilderness after Abraham received circumcision, is clearly subordinated to circumcision, that the law be not broken.

    It is one thing to keep a Sabbath, and it is also good to keep one as a matter of commandment and law unto ourselves, but when we then demand others keep that Sabbath by commandment, we become judges of others by outward appearance only, and are separatists in same manner as the Pharisees that condemned Jesus pertaining to the Sabbath:

    It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

    And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me
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    The law was changed with the priesthood, from that of the outward letter to that of the inward Spirit, so that circumcision is no more outward, but inward only, and Sabbath is no more outward, but inward rest with God from our own works.

    Those who continue to judge by outward appearance according to carnal commandment pertaining to times and days and meats and will worship and service to God, are carnally minded and cannot be subject to the law of the Spirit of Life and of grace:

    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    Sabbath commanders walk after the flesh, commanding rest and worship for God outwardly for appearance, but cannot inwardly worship and please God, because they do it not by the faith of Jesus, but by obedience to their own carnal commandment.

    Circumcision was subordinated to the law, and the Sabbath was subordinated to circumcision in the law:

    They who keep Sabbath by commandment subordinate themselves to the law, and are bound to keep the whole law. If not, they are hypocrites.
     
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    By the grace of God I believe in the God Who is the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ the WORD and LAW of God.
    Therefore and accordingly I am reminded of "the day the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" "according to the LAW and Testimony" of the "Faithful Witness" our Redeemer Jesus Christ, through the Power of His Holy Spirit.

    How can I confess Jesus my Lord and Saviour but oppose and deny his Lordship of the Event and Day that He "greatly triumphed" in, the day He "made" for Eternal Purpose and Glory HIS OWN? I would oppose and deny my own Salvation, "the Salvation of the Lord" wherein He, greatly triumphed!
     
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