Jesus Second Coming

[n2thelight]

@Keraz

Those who have died already have their bodies

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

By placing the Word of God in your mind, it becomes the standard for all of your thought, and it directs the intents of your mind, which is you heart. Christ is the Living Word, and He can discern the intent of your mind, you can't fool Him. Within man's soul is his spirit, and the spirit is the intellect part of His thought process.

You have to be able to separate those things to understand the resurrection. Paul is now going to explain our flesh body to us, not the soul, the spirit, or our thought process, but our flesh and blood body.

I Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

Paul is comparing our flesh body with other living things, such as a grain of wheat. When the seed is separated from its parent plant it is as naked as a new born baby. This is the body of the wheat, and this is not the grain that you see coming for in new plants next year. This seed of wheat that you set aside for the next years crop is what must die before it can raise up again in a new form. That body of wheat is gone, and that is what happens to our flesh. It must die before the new beautiful spiritual body can come forth.

The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrect from the dead. Christ's body did rise again, for it paid the price for our sins for one and all times. However, when Christ's body came out of the tomb, it had to be transfigured or flesh man simply could not see Him.

The body of the wheat or of flesh that dies and is planted in the ground is not the same body that springs forth into new life. It is the Spiritual body that ascends to be with the Father, not the flesh. Again the subject is the physical body.

When you plant any seed, flowers, corn, or wheat, there is an embryo deep inside of the body of that plant. As the body of the parent plant decays, it feeds this little embryo that is deep within that seed or kernel of corn. Then when the water, and temperature, and soil are just right, then that embryo springs forth into new life, and a new plant is formed. That is exactly as it is with our flesh body, the old flesh body must die before the new life of our new spiritual of soul body can come forth. The time that it takes for the new spiritual life to come from the death of the old flesh body is instant.

The instant that the flesh body dies, the soul and spirit body is present with the Lord that gave it in the first place. The flesh decays back into the elements of the earth that it is made of, and your soul returns to the Father. Paul could not have made it more simpler than the using of a grain of wheat in comparison to our flesh bodies. Just as all of nature functions, so it is with man.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Again the flesh will not rise it will be changed at death or the 2nd coming whichever comes first

 

[n2thelight]

Your Teaching Of "Multiple Resurrections" At Different Times Is "False"

There Will Be "One" Future Resurrection Of "All" That Will Take Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Where is Paul Moses and Ezekiel right now flesh is dust dirt, never to be needed again

to believe what you are saying is to believe in soul sleep and Paul ,not me calls you a fool , as you like the heathen

If you can't get pass the FACT that we have TWO bodies you'll never understand , to make it simple, you don't have a soul , you are a soul just hanging out in this flesh

 

[Curtis]

FIRSTFRUITS resurrections:


The first resurrection will be that of believers while the second resurrection will be that of unbelievers. The resurrections in Scripture do not all happen at once. The first resurrection refers to the resurrection of all believers, though separated in time. There has been over nineteen hundred and fifty years between the resurrection of Christ, and the rapture of the church - which is still future. After the church is raptured and resurrected, there will be the resurrection of the tribulation saints- those who have died for their testimony of Christ during the Great Tribulation. At that time the Old Testament saints will also be raised. After the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth, the Millennium, there will be one final resurrection. This will be the unrighteous dead from all time as well as the millennial saints - those who have believed in Christ during the Millennium. After the Great White Throne judgment, there will be no more resurrections.

 

[Truth7t7]

The resurrection to life can, and does, occur in multiple stages. Jesus’ resurrection was the first resurrected as part of the resurrection unto life.

Learn what FIRSTFRUITS means.

Your claim is "False" read it again

Your Teaching Of "Multiple Resurrections" At Different Times Is "False"

There Will Be "One" Future Resurrection Of "All" That Will Take Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes it does.

The SDA is wrong.

Moses died, yet his soul isn’t eating dirt while sleeping with his dead body - he appeared to Jesus at His transfiguration - one of many things that falsifies soul sleep.

The SDA and Watchtower share that error, because they have the Millerite connection associated with both.

Maranatha

God can raise from the dead who he likes, when he likes. He can also translate the living to realms unfamiliar to us.

The error is in your insistence that God is required to follow your understanding of death, of life, of spirit and of soul.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is Paul Moses and Ezekiel right now flesh is dust dirt, never to be needed again

to believe what you are saying is to believe in soul sleep and Paul ,not me calls you a fool , as you like the heathen

If you can't get pass the FACT that we have TWO bodies you'll never understand , to make it simple, you don't have a soul , you are a soul just hanging out in this flesh

Your claim that I believe in "Soul Sleep" is false!

Upon death a persons soul resides in one of two places, (Hell) or (Abraham's Bosom) as described in scripture below, these souls are awaiting upon the (Last Day Resurrection) at the second coming of Jesus Christ

Luke 16:19-31KJV
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There Will Be "One" Future Resurrection Of "All" That Will Take Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

God can raise from the dead who he likes, when he likes. He can also translate the living to realms unfamiliar to us.

The error is in your insistence that God is required to follow your understanding of death, of life, of spirit and of soul.

It Appears Ole Phillip Walked Through That Realm Of Time, Being Caught Up And Translated To Azotus, Beam Me Up Scotty!

Acts 8:39-40KJV
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

[Truth7t7]

FIRSTFRUITS resurrections:
The first resurrection will be that of believers while the second resurrection will be that of unbelievers. The resurrections in Scripture do not all happen at once. The first resurrection refers to the resurrection of all believers, though separated in time. There has been over nineteen hundred and fifty years between the resurrection of Christ, and the rapture of the church - which is still future. After the church is raptured and resurrected, there will be the resurrection of the tribulation saints- those who have died for their testimony of Christ during the Great Tribulation. At that time the Old Testament saints will also be raised. After the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth, the Millennium, there will be one final resurrection. This will be the unrighteous dead from all time as well as the millennial saints - those who have believed in Christ during the Millennium. After the Great White Throne judgment, there will be no more resurrections.

The First Resurrection, On The Last Day Explained?

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Zao is life]

This fanciful idea will not happen.
Jesus will bring the souls of the GT martyrs back with Him. They will be brought back to life and will rule with Jesus for the Millennium. That is all, until the end of the Millennium, when all the dead and the living will be Judged. Rev 20:11-15

He said "the flesh will not rise". He probably means the body will not be raised a spiritual body. Not sure.

 

[Zao is life]

The resurrection to life can, and does, occur in multiple stages. Jesus’ resurrection was the first resurrected as part of the resurrection unto life.

Learn what FIRSTFRUITS means.

Yes, but there has been one death - Adam's death, which came to all men, in that all sinned.

There will be a second death.

There will not be another resurrection from the second death. So there is no "second" resurrection. Jesus is the resurrection and the life - the last Adam who died for our sins and rose again from the dead:

1 Corinthians 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;
24 then is the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He makes to cease all rule and all authority and power.

There is only one resurrection - in Christ , no matter when it takes place, and no matter when those who are resurrected with Christ follow in His resurrection (whether in the first century when immediately following His resurrection, many in Jerusalem came out of the graves and were seen by many), or when He returns at the close of this Age.

This is true no matter whether or not the millennium is literal.

I believe it's highly possible that the millennium is literal, because I do not for one minute believe Satan has been bound (that's not what is written in the New Testament or the Revelation), and I don't believe those who will be beheaded by the beast that will be destroyed by Christ, somehow had gotten into a time machine and gone backwards in time, reigning with Him over a symbolic thousand years going backwards in time (because the A-millennial time machine apparently exists outside of the dimension of time).

PS: The Great White Throne does not speak of a resurrection. It speaks of death and hades delivering up all the dead in them, and the dead thus delivered up being judged according to what was written in the books.

Also, it's not "the" (final) judgement, because just as God's judgment was uttered by God 120 years before the flood but the decreed sentence was only carried out once the ark was completed and the redeemed were inside, so Jesus said:

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death.

In the same way that the sentence was only carried out when the ark was ready and the believing souls were in the ark, so Jesus is our Ark:

John 3
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

Those who were not in the ark were condemned by their unbelief.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
The Great White Throne is the carrying out of the decree. The world was judged by God in the days of Noah, and found guilty. The world was judged by God when Christ came into the world, and the world was found guilty. The judgment was poured out upon the ark but the ark was lifted up, and out of the destruction.

Those who are in Christ are "in the Ark". The sentence is pending - and the final carrying out of the sentence will be (at the time of) the Great White Throne.

But it's not necessarily a resurrection. Death and hades are merely delivering up all the souls in them. It is the dead John sees being delivered up by death and hades (not the living, not the resurrected). All those souls who are not found in the Ark will perish in the 2nd death.

 

[Oseas]

24 then is the end , when He delivers the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He makes to cease all rule and all authority and power.

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Yes, the END is come ONLY when He makes to cease or PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power, and He delivers the kingdom to God, even the Father. By the way, JESUS left very clear, saying:Luke 20:v.35-36 :
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (next world-Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:v.15, among others), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (1Cor.15:v.26).

The apex of the fullness of the Gentiles will take place when the holy city is given to the Gentile nations to be trodden under foot for 1260 days - Revelation 11:v.2-3 and 6, combined with Rev.13:v.2 and 5 and 7-9:

Revelation 11:v.2-3 and 6
2 - The court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 - And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

6 - These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters (waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 13:v.2 and 5 and 7-9
2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion, (this description of the Beast of sea reveals that its roots are from ancient times, i.e. from a sucessive kingdoms from diverse peoples) and the Dragon(Satan) gave him his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

7 And it was given unto him to make War with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (as above described)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the Beast, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

[Oseas]

Greetings in Christ JESUS

What matters now is what God thinks, not what men think. In other words, what matters is not to think from men's perspective, but from God's perspective.

THE TWO WITNESSES

Revelation 11:v.3and 6 - God said:
3 - I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters (waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 1:v.20 -
20 - The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Revelation 11:v.3-4 -

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Therefore, by the Word of GOD, 7 candlesticks are 7 Churches.

By analogy, 2 candlesticks are 2 Churches really;

(1) The Church of the Gentile believers /true Christians;
(2) the Jewish Church - Hebrews 12:v.18-29

And 2 Olive Trees are a SOURCE of OIL for the 2 Churches / Candlesticks

Revelation 11:v.3-5

THE TWO OLIVE TREES AND THE TWO WITNESSES
- THE TWO WITNESSES -

v.3 - I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they (both) shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
v.4 - These are the two olive trees(1), and the two candlesticks(2) standing before the God of the earth.

THE TWO CANDLESTICKS - TWO CHURCHES
(1) The Church of the Gentile believers /true Christians; Body of Christ JESUS
(2) the Jewish Church - Hebrews 12:v.18-29 - Body of Christ JESUS

About this great mystery of GOD revealed in His words, Paul, the Apostle, give us a perfect revelation in his marvelous epistle to the Church of Ephesians: Eph.2:v.11 to 22, from which here goes 2 verses:
...
v.13 - But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off (Gentile peoples-confer this revelation in John 10:v.16) are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
v.14 - For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; - ALELUIA!!! -
...

- THE TWO OLIVE TREES -
The Two Olive Trees are a SOURCE of Oil for the 2 Churches / 2 Witnesses

The two WITNESSES are not only 2 candlesticks - two Churches - which testify of the Word of GOD, and both will Judge the World; The two WITNESSES are ALSO the two OLIVE TREES;

The two OLIVE TREES are the SOURCE OF OIL, yeah, the SOURCE OF OIL for the TWO candlesticks -the two Churches-, they ARE the Persons of JESUS and of the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete or the Counselor,
they both are the TWO OLIVE TREES and the SOURCE of OIL for the two Churches/ two Candlesticks.

WAR AGAINST THE ENEMIES - TWO BEASTS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS

v.5 - And if any Man (the MAN Beast of sea and the MAN Beast of earth-Revelation 13:v.1 to 18) will hurt them, FIRE proceedeth out of their MOUTH(the testimony of (two Churches) their MOUTH will be a devouring FIRE-the Word is GOD-GOD is a consuming FIRE), and (they both will) devoure(th) their enemies(IN 42 MONTHS-IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST HALF OF THE LAST WEEK-Revelation 13:v.3);
and if ANY MAN(the MAN Beast of sea-Revelation 13:5-, and ALSO the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist false messiah of the Jews, the Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11to18- and THEIR followers) will hurt THEM(both), he (the Enemy)
must in this manner be killed (his satanic and monstrous religious system with its 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a TAIL, must be dissolved, dismantled, DESTROYED-Revelation 13:v.3, and Rev. 11:v.18, and 2 Peter 3:v.7 onwards)

Jerusalem will be trodden by Gentile nations by 42 months - Revelation 11:v.2

Jerusalem, also called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, will be trodden by Gentile nations in this last DECADE of the world of Devil.

The COURT, yeah, the COURT which is without the temple will be given unto the Gentiles, and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months -Rev.11:v.2- it because the Dragon will give to the Beast of sea- the Pope -the Papacy-, his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority for 42 months.

Actually it is the FIRST HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 which WILL BE RULED BY THE BEAST OF SEA enthroned in Jerusalem-REV.13:v.2 and 5- this will be the Great Delusion in fulfilment of 2Thes.2:v.11-12.

TWO STRONG AND POWERFUL BEASTS(Revelation 13:1to18) WILL RULE DURING SEVEN (7) YEARS A MONSTROUS AND EPHEMERAL UNIVERSAL AND SATANIC RELIGIOUS SYSTEM - JUDAISM AND CATHOLICISM -

Verse 5 - 5 And there was given (BY THE DRAGON) unto him (unto the Beast of sea -the Pope, the Papacy)- a MOUTH speaking great things and blasphemies-Revelation 16:v.13-; and *POWER was given unto him to continue forty and two months. -THAT IS the FIRST HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27.

*POWER was given unto him by the DRAGON, who is the esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews (John 5:v.43), who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God will BE ENTHRONED in the temple of God-in JERUSALEM, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt-, shewing himself that he is God, AND the FALSE MESSIAH will give not only his *POWER to the Beast of sea, BUT ALSO HIS THRONE IN JERUSALEM AND GREAT AUTHORITY. (the great delusion-2Thes.2)

Do not have any doubt that the Beast of sea, the next Pope to be elected after death of Pope Francis from now on, which will take a pseudo-name or nickname as being the SEVENTH of a lineage of Popes, as seventh king of that lineage, yeah, THAT ELECTED NEW AND LAST POPE WILL SIT ON THE THRONE OF THE DRAGON IN JERUSALEM with great Power and Authority given by the Devil, the Dragon, the Jewish false messiah.THIS WILL BE THE STRONG DELUSION-2Thes. 2:v.11-12- that GOD will send to the nation of Israel that they BELIEVE A LIE.

Be sure that the plagues are underway, the earth is and will be smited with strong and severe plagues,and the waters-peoples,and nations, and multitudes of all tongues - are and will be turned to blood, amd the heaven is shut, so he that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still, no more salvation, no, no more, but GOD's wrath will fall upon all the nations, and they will be cast into the hell's fire from now on.

Revelation 2:v.26-29
26 - He that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

After the END of these things will come the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION - the 2nd HALF OF THE LAST WEEK that will be ruled by the ruthless and ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST Jewish FALSE MESSIAH - 2Thessalonians 2

Isaiah 26:v.21-22
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

[Zao is life]

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Yes, the END is come ONLY when He makes to cease or PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power, and He delivers the kingdom to God, even the Father. By the way, JESUS left very clear, saying:Luke 20:v.35-36 :
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (next world-Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:v.15, among others), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (1Cor.15:v.26).

The apex of the fullness of the Gentiles will take place when the holy city is given to the Gentile nations to be trodden under foot for 1260 days - Revelation 11:v.2-3 and 6, combined with Rev.13:v.2 and 5 and 7-9:

Revelation 11:v.2-3 and 6
2 - The court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 - And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

6 - These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters (waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 13:v.2 and 5 and 7-9
2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion, (this description of the Beast of sea reveals that its roots are from ancient times, i.e. from a sucessive kingdoms from diverse peoples) and the Dragon(Satan) gave him his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

7 And it was given unto him to make War with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (as above described)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the Beast, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

I agree with part of what you say except that you have assumed that the holy city in Revelation 11:1-2 is referring to Jerusalem. There are two reasons why I believe you are wrong, and if you like, I will tell you why. Otherwise I will keep quiet.

 

[Oseas]

I agree with part of what you say except that you have assumed that the holy city in Revelation 11:1-2 is referring to Jerusalem. There are two reasons why I believe you are wrong, and if you like, I will tell you why. Otherwise I will keep quiet.

Once you are asserting I am wrong about the interpretation of GOD's Word that was quoted, it would be interesting you had pointed why, no?
I work with the Word of GOD. If you use strange sources that add another "holy city" that does not fit in the book of Revelation, I would suggest not doing this according Revelation 22:v.18, but it is your choice.

The Word says "...the court which is without the TEMPLE leave out"..., and JESUS is not referring here to any other temple than the temple of GOD in Jerusalem, called holy city from ancient times, since the OT .

In the current time of Apocalypse, the holy city -Jerusalem- is called also of great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev. 11:v.8

Matt.4:v.5-6: - 5 Then the Devil taketh JESUS up into the holy city -Jerusalem-, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the TEMPLE, 6 And saith unto Him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down:...


Waiting your reply.

 

[Zao is life]

Once you are asserting I am wrong about the interpretation of GOD's Word that was quoted, it would be interesting you had pointed why, no?
I work with the Word of GOD. If you use strange sources that add another "holy city" that does not fit in the book of Revelation, I would suggest not doing this according Revelation 22:v.18, but it is your choice.

The Word says "...the court which is without the TEMPLE leave out"..., and JESUS is not referring here to any other temple than the temple of GOD in Jerusalem, called holy city from ancient times, since the OT .

In the current time of Apocalypse, the holy city -Jerusalem- is called also of great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev. 11:v.8

Matt.4:v.5-6: - 5 Then the Devil taketh JESUS up into the holy city -Jerusalem-, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the TEMPLE, 6 And saith unto Him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down:...


Waiting your reply.

I did say why in the thread I started with the title "The temple that Jesus is talking about"

 

[Oseas]

I did say why in the thread I started with the title "The temple that Jesus is talking about"

Sorry, to me your answer was disappointing.

 

[Zao is life]

Sorry, to me your answer was disappointing.

That's OK by me. You don't have to agree with me.

You cannot show me that the Revelation refers to any city other than the New Jerusalem as the holy city.

The word holy means to be set apart, to be sanctified, but you have chosen to believe that whereas the Revelation is referring to the New Jerusalem as the holy city in every other place where the words the holy city are found, yet in Revelation 11 it suddenly refers to a city that is not considered holy anymore or any more than Baghdad is, both as the holy city AND as Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified, all in the same passage.

Your rudeness to me about this in the other thread I started about it, does not change truth, nor does it make your picking and choosing of which city is called the holy city in the Revelation any more valid.

But you are allowed your opinions. I don't get angry like you do when someone disagrees with something I say.

 

[Bob Estey]

Hi

Why does Jesus have to return if an afterlife ALREADY exists??

For all practical purposes, it seems to me Jesus is already here.

 

[Oseas]

Jerusalem will be trodden by Gentile nations by 42 months - Revelation 11:v.2

Jerusalem, also called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, will be trodden by Gentile nations in this last DECADE of the world of Devil.

The COURT, yeah, the COURT which is without the temple will be given unto the Gentiles, and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months -Rev.11:v.2- it because the Dragon will give to the Beast of sea- the Pope -the Papacy-, his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority for 42 months.

Actually it is the FIRST HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 which WILL BE RULED BY THE BEAST OF SEA enthroned in Jerusalem-REV.13:v.2 and 5- this will be the Great Delusion in fulfilment of 2Thes.2:v.11-12.

I agree with part of what you say except that you have assumed that the holy city in Revelation 11:1-2 is referring to Jerusalem. There are two reasons why I believe you are wrong, and if you like, I will tell you why. Otherwise I will keep quiet.

Once you are asserting I am wrong about the interpretation of GOD's Word that was quoted, it would be interesting you had pointed why, no?
I work with the Word of GOD. If you use strange sources that add another "holy city" that does not fit in the book of Revelation, I would suggest not doing this according Revelation 22:v.18, but it is your choice.

The Word says "...the court which is without the TEMPLE leave out"..., and JESUS is not referring here to any other temple than the temple of GOD in Jerusalem, called holy city from ancient times, since the OT .

In the current time of Apocalypse, the holy city -Jerusalem- is called also of great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev. 11:v.8

Matt.4:v.5-6: - 5 Then the Devil taketh JESUS up into the holy city -Jerusalem-, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the TEMPLE, 6 And saith unto Him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down:...

Waiting your reply.

I did say why in the thread I started with the title "The temple that Jesus is talking about"

That's OK by me. You don't have to agree with me.

You cannot show me that the Revelation refers to any city other than the New Jerusalem as the holy city.

The word holy means to be set apart, to be sanctified, but you have chosen to believe that whereas the Revelation is referring to the New Jerusalem as the holy city in every other place where the words the holy city are found, yet in Revelation 11 it suddenly refers to a city that is not considered holy anymore or any more than Baghdad is, both as the holy city AND as Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified, all in the same passage.

Your rudeness to me about this in the other thread I started about it, does not change truth, nor does it make your picking and choosing of which city is called the holy city in the Revelation any more valid.

But you are allowed your opinions. I don't get angry like you do when someone disagrees with something I say.

What prevails is the Word of GOD said by the prophet Isaiah, not your opinion, or conjecture, imaginations, speculations, by which you try to twist Scriptures. Much much time before Greek sources to be used for trying adapt Scriptures to false interpretations about Jerusalem as you do here and elsewhere, the prophet Isaiah said: Isaiah 52:v.1-2KJV:

1 - Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city:

Isaiah 52:v.1 - Complete Jewish Bible
Awake! Awake, Tziyon!
Clothe yourself with your strength!
Dress in your splendid garments,
Yerushalayim, the holy city!

What prevails is the Word of GOD said by the prophet Isaiah, the Word is GOD.

 

[farouk]

For all practical purposes, it seems to me Jesus is already here.

The Lord's coming in 1 Corinthians 11.26, spoken of with regard to the Lord's Supper ('till He come'), has not occurred; otherwise the Lord's Supper would not be necessary.