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The New Covenant

Jeremiah 31:31-32 describes the New Covenant. But the Lord is not done with Israel, she will be grafted in as well into the Church. Verses 33-34 state, “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Israel is the Church , always has been .
 
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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

John sees both events in heaven and on the earth.

It’s not called ‘The Revelation of things to come only in heaven’

Where do they reign for a thousand years?

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.

Jesus literally reigns on the earth. His throne will be in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14 Jesus returns in verse 5 and lands on mount olive with the saints and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then dwells there forever. Obviously His throne will be where He dwells.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


When Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium reign that you deny exists, He tries to kill Jesus by surrounding the city with armies after deceiving them, and Jesus zaps them with fire from heaven.

If Jesus was in heaven there’d be no reason to surround Jerusalem with armies again.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Note that the SAINTS are in the beloved city.

Which saints? The ones who rule and reign WITH CHRIST.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

There’s his throne, the city He reigns from, and the saints ruling with Him ON THE EARTH.

BTW Revelation 20 is not mythological as you claimed.





 
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John sees both events in heaven and on the earth.

It’s not called ‘The Revelation of things to come only in heaven’

Where do they reign for a thousand years?

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.

Jesus literally reigns on the earth. His throne will be in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14 Jesus returns in verse 5 and lands on mount olive with the saints and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then dwells there forever. Obviously His throne will be where He dwells.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


When Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium reign that you deny exists, He tries to kill Jesus by surrounding the city with armies after deceiving them, and Jesus zaps them with fire from heaven.

If Jesus was in heaven there’d be no reason to surround Jerusalem with armies again.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Note that the SAINTS are in the beloved city.

Which saints? The ones who rule and reign WITH CHRIST.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

There’s his throne, the city He reigns from, and the saints ruling with Him ON THE EARTH.

BTW Revelation 20 is not mythological as you claimed.




Postmillenial Partial Preterism...What is it? A Victorious View of the Gospel.
 

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Israel is the Church , always has been .

So the church is temporarily blinded, and the church is ungodly, until Jesus returns, then the church will be saved?

Because all the above is true of Israel, in Romans 11.

Romans 11 is the cure for trying to equate the gentile church with being Israel.

Jeremiah 31 says the new covenant we are under today since the death of Christ, is with the HOUSE of Israel, and with the HOUSE of Judah, which.unequivocally means the nations of Israel and Judah - not “spiritual” Israel.

Per Romans 11, the “church” is the wild olive branch that is grafted in with the natural branches of Israel, and Jesus is the roots of the tree.

And per Romans 11, salvation came to the gentiles only to make Israel jealous.

Israel has never been the church. But believing Jews and gentiles are all one in Christ Jesus, and are in the church of Christ together.
 

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So the church is temporarily blinded, and the church is ungodly, until Jesus returns, then the church will be saved?

Because all the above is true of Israel, in Romans 11.

Romans 11 is the cure for trying to equate the gentile church with being Israel.

Jeremiah 31 says the new covenant we are under today since the death of Christ, is with the HOUSE of Israel, and with the HOUSE of Judah, which.unequivocally means the nations of Israel and Judah - not “spiritual” Israel.

Per Romans 11, the “church” is the wild olive branch that is grafted in with the natural branches of Israel, and Jesus is the roots of the tree.

And per Romans 11, salvation came to the gentiles only to make Israel jealous.

Israel has never been the church. But believing Jews and gentiles are all one in Christ Jesus, and are in the church of Christ together.

Who do you call Israel, are you saying they are the Jew's in that kenite occupied land called Israel ?

Is not Christ Himself called Israel ? Who is Judah and where is Israel .

Don't think it's no such thing as a gentile Church

I'm not being real clear right now as I'm at work

Right here right now, who is Israel and where are they ?
 

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Right here right now, who is Israel and where are they ?
The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Two Israel's Are Seen Below, (1.) Israel Of The Flesh (Jews) And (2.) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Israel Of The Flesh, These Are Not The Children Of God, Plain, Simple, Easy To Understand

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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So the church is temporarily blinded, and the church is ungodly, until Jesus returns, then the church will be saved?

Because all the above is true of Israel, in Romans 11.

Romans 11 is the cure for trying to equate the gentile church with being Israel.

Jeremiah 31 says the new covenant we are under today since the death of Christ, is with the HOUSE of Israel, and with the HOUSE of Judah, which.unequivocally means the nations of Israel and Judah - not “spiritual” Israel.

Per Romans 11, the “church” is the wild olive branch that is grafted in with the natural branches of Israel, and Jesus is the roots of the tree.

And per Romans 11, salvation came to the gentiles only to make Israel jealous.

Israel has never been the church. But believing Jews and gentiles are all one in Christ Jesus, and are in the church of Christ together.
Roman's 11 speaks directly of the (Remnant Elect Jew) That have been chosen to salvation through God's "Foreknowledge", just as all that have been called and chosen to salvation

As Roman's 11:7 "Clearly States" only the (Remnant Elect Jew) will be saved and "Added" to the Church, the rest are blinded, it's that simple

Romans 11:2-7KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
 

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John sees both events in heaven and on the earth.

It’s not called ‘The Revelation of things to come only in heaven’

Where do they reign for a thousand years?

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.

Jesus literally reigns on the earth. His throne will be in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14 Jesus returns in verse 5 and lands on mount olive with the saints and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then dwells there forever. Obviously His throne will be where He dwells.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


When Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium reign that you deny exists, He tries to kill Jesus by surrounding the city with armies after deceiving them, and Jesus zaps them with fire from heaven.

If Jesus was in heaven there’d be no reason to surround Jerusalem with armies again.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Note that the SAINTS are in the beloved city.

Which saints? The ones who rule and reign WITH CHRIST.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

There’s his throne, the city He reigns from, and the saints ruling with Him ON THE EARTH.

BTW Revelation 20 is not mythological as you claimed.




Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, your claim it's on this earth is laughable

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

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Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 

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Zechariah 14 Jesus returns in verse 5 and lands on mount olive with the saints and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then dwells there forever. Obviously His throne will be where He dwells.
Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which
is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee
to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and
from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And
men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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Which saints? The ones who rule and reign WITH CHRIST.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

There’s his throne, the city He reigns from, and the saints ruling with Him ON THE EARTH.

BTW Revelation 20 is not mythological as you claimed.
The saints will rule with Jesus Christ for eternity, in the (New Earth) it's not called The Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, But (Earth)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
 

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Revelation 11

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 

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The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Two Israel's Are Seen Below, (1.) Israel Of The Flesh (Jews) And (2.) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Israel Of The Flesh, These Are Not The Children Of God, Plain, Simple, Easy To Understand

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Ain't no such thing as 2 Israel's
 

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Ain't no such thing as 2 Israel's
By all means, give your interpretation of verse 6 below, and the two Israel's seen in bold red, waiting?

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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