The People Who Actually Try To Say They Have "Seen The Glory of God."

[Jared42]

The abuse and misuse of these things is nonsense, not the truths about these things themselves, whatever that actually may be in scripture.

The truth of these things is apparent in their misuse.

So then you apparently live by knowledge rather than by faith. Why is your knowledge better than the knowledge of people who you say are false and engaged in nonsense? How do you know what you know?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Calling vain imaginary pursuits "faith" is the work of the Enemy.

 

[Jared42]

When the Catholics compiled the Apostles' writings they officially ended the gifts of the Spirit?

Is "Holy Roman Empire" a term that God introduced?

How is it possible for any human to "end the gifts of the Holy Spirit?" They might deny and oppose the gifts, but God's Will still takes place. Start understanding the difference between action and observation. Today, all observations give that the state of modern Christendom is far from bring like that of the First Century Church, in spite of wishful thinking, mislabeled as "faith."

 

[amadeus]

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Calling vain imaginary pursuits "faith" is the work of the Enemy.

Are you then able to read the hearts and minds of others to know that which is a vain pursuit rather than a sincere faith?

 

[Jared42]

When people diligently work to speak and promote pursuits of Holiness which do not materially manifest and give glory to God, vanity takes place.

 

[farouk]

I am a child of God by the shed blood of Jesus Christ through the sacrificial atonement of the Son of God.

@Heart2Soul Amen; a great Scriptural sentiment...

 

[Jared42]

@Heart2Soul Amen; a great Scriptural sentiment...

He spoke a fact of reality contained in Scripture. He did not speak a "sentiment."

 

[farouk]

He spoke a fact of reality contained in Scripture. He did not speak a "sentiment."

I could have used the word 'expression'; or 'statement', etc.

 

[Heart2Soul]

He spoke a fact of reality contained in Scripture. He did not speak a "sentiment."

I am a she

 

[Helen]

Yes, these people are around.

When the Apostles and Prophets of Scripture underwent a valid vision, dream, or some sort of first hand experience of God's immediate presence, they made a faithful and accurate witness of what they saw, heard, and felt. And, their experienced served purposes intended by God.

Today, people who claim to have had such an experience of the Glory of God are one of two levels of authenticity:

1.) They are false. That is, they are deluded by a lying spirit, they are willfully fabricating a story, or they are exaggerating something strange they experienced in their mind. They try to call their imagination their "spee-ritt!"

2.) Or, they are brainwashed into expecting some sort of duplicate experience of an account in Scripture. This is what happens when a "Pentecostal" claims to have experienced "glory from God," but in fact they are unable to duplicate any part of Acts ch. 2. They just imagine they can in "faith." Often it is hidden in churchy sounding jargon.

Both of these kinds of claims 1.) and 2.) can be dismissed because the information contained in the accounts serve no material purpose in God's Kingdom. The whole thing is soon forgotten, because it is just a lot of emotional words.

You obviously have no idea of what you speak…

“A man with (only ) an experience , is never at the mercy of the man with (only) a theory. “

 

[Heart2Soul]

You obviously have no idea of what you speak…

“A man with (only ) an experience , is never at the mercy of the man with (only) a theory. “

Good one

 

[CharismaticLady]

It is posts like this that truly separates the believers from the unbelievers.

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish. (I've had to put some of these mockers on ignore.)

1 Corinthians 2:
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Jared42]

You obviously have no idea of what you speak…

“A man with (only ) an experience , is never at the mercy of the man with (only) a theory. “

"A woman can never get beyond her emotional experiences. This affects her credibility and integrity."

 

[Jared42]

It is posts like this that truly separates the believers from the unbelievers.

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish. (I've had to put some of these mockers on ignore.)

1 Corinthians 2:
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

It does well to seperate those who think feelings and chatty ideas contain righteousness from those who know otherwise.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"A woman can never get beyond her emotional experiences. This affects her credibility and integrity."

I'm with @Helen! We have the mind of Christ who is very emotional.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It does well to seperate those who think feelings and chatty ideas contain righteousness from those who know otherwise.

Why do you scoff at the gifts of God? Why do you turn a blind eye to truth, and instead think your reason is enough?

 

[Jared42]

I'm with @Helen! We have the mind of Christ who is very emotional.

Christ only occasionally expressed emotions. He was far from painting His emotions upon all matters and all people as you think He did. Go to The Word of God to get your ideas, not to "Helen."

Lol.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Christ only occasionally expressed emotions. He was far from painting His emotions upon all matters and all people as you think He did. Go to The Word of God to get your ideas, not to "Helen."

Lol.

Do you love Jesus with all your heart, mind and strength. Do you keep his commandments? Do you love your fellow Christians? We don't have to have the same doctrines, but we have to love each other.

 

[Jared42]

Why do you scoff at the gifts of God? Why do you turn a blind eye to truth, and instead think your reason is enough?

Is chatting about nice things a gift from God? 1 Tim. 2: 9 & 11 says women are to be "shamefaced" and "remain silent."

 

[Jared42]

Do you love Jesus with all your heart, mind and strength. Do you keep his commandments? Do you love your fellow Christians? We don't have to have the same doctrines, but we have to love each other.

Try to focus upon the topic at hand, rather than thinking "everything is related to everything!"

Remember, "shamefaced" and "silent" is what is directed unto Christian women in 1 Tim. 2:9 & 11.

Okay? Bless your heart. It is very Special.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Is chatting about nice things a gift from God? 1 Tim. 2: 9 & 11 says women are to be "shamefaced" and "remain silent."

Paul was talking about those under the law. Just like here:

39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Even though Paul would say we are no longer under the law, he did try to keep women there, but Jesus freed us and gave us dreams and visions and even made some pastors, prophets and teachers.

Paul, himself, said that not everything he writes is "thus sayeth the Lord."

Besides, it is not your place to tell me what to do. You are not my husband.