Bible alone heresy!

[theefaith]

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Pet 3:20,21)

1. The context of this passage is the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ. That is in fact the basis of our salvation. Christ and the finished work of Christ.

2. How were eight souls (Noah's family) saved during the Flood? By entering into the Ark. The water under the Ark caused it to float, but it was the Ark itself by which Noah's family was saved. And the Ark is a type (or "figure") of Christ.

3. Christian baptism is here shown as "the answer of a good conscience toward God". So in what sense does baptism "save" us? When we repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ all our sins are forgiven, and our conscience is cleansed from guilt. So we have a good conscience before God when we are baptized. Christian baptism and conversion are shown as being inseparable in Scripture (Mk 16:15,16). But we are not saved by water. We are justified (saved) by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. And we must be baptized thereafter.

never said by water but the promise of God yo wash us in the Christian ritual of baptism ez 36:25-27

acts 22:16

God washes away sin in His graces sacraments

 

[prism]

you said

There is no problem with sola Scriptura if you properly understand it.
It does not reject a priori 'creeds, councils, dogma, and decrees' of the Church.

???

I went on to say (which you conveniently omitted)..."it tests all dogma etc. against Scripture, and if there is a conflict, then Scripture wins out because it has the higher authority."

Why is that hard to understand? You may disagree, but it's not hard to understand.

 

[theefaith]

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Pet 3:20,21)

1. The context of this passage is the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ. That is in fact the basis of our salvation. Christ and the finished work of Christ.

2. How were eight souls (Noah's family) saved during the Flood? By entering into the Ark. The water under the Ark caused it to float, but it was the Ark itself by which Noah's family was saved. And the Ark is a type (or "figure") of Christ.

3. Christian baptism is here shown as "the answer of a good conscience toward God". So in what sense does baptism "save" us? When we repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ all our sins are forgiven, and our conscience is cleansed from guilt. So we have a good conscience before God when we are baptized. Christian baptism and conversion are shown as being inseparable in Scripture (Mk 16:15,16). But we are not saved by water. We are justified (saved) by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. And we must be baptized thereafter.

the main point of peter is that the ark of Noah is a type of the church the new covenant that we enter by Christian sacrament of baptism

 

[amigo de christo]

never said by water but the promise of God yo wash us in the Christian ritual of baptism ez 36:25-27

acts 22:16

God washes away sin in His graces sacraments

Washed in the blood of the lamb . The whore lied to us my friend . IF what you just said was true
anyone could go to catholic mass and do the sacaments and be saved . Gods grace saved us , it was not by works which we did ,
BUT by HIS grace . WHAT can wash away my sin , NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS . TRY singing that once or twice .
HAVE SOME FAITH in what JESUS DID , IN HIS BLOOD ATONENMENT .

 

[theefaith]

The RCC aint the true church . Peter is not for that system my friend . COME YE OUT
My heart is for your good . I desire life for you and not death . Come ye out of her .

then if we come out of her where are we going, what church we going to? What is the rule of faith? What is the ark of salvation?

 

[theefaith]

By leaving the RCC . Then we can have communion as one with Christ our LORD .
We have UNION with GOD by CHRIST , by the SPIRIT .
And true lambs will break bread and drink the wine with other true lambs . COME YE OUT of the RCC . My heart is for your good .
I desire Life for you and much good my friend . Just COME ON OUT OF HER .

Still would like to know how?

Thanks I have hope for you too

 

[theefaith]

I went on to say (which you conveniently omitted)..."it tests all dogma etc. against Scripture, and if there is a conflict, then Scripture wins out because it has the higher authority."

Why is that hard to understand? You may disagree, but it's not hard to understand.

dogma the councils and creeds or the teaching authority of the apostles are equal to Christ and scripture and are not contradictory
Scripture is even part of tradition
That which is handed down or made known

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[theefaith]

Washed in the blood of the lamb . The whore lied to us my friend . IF what you just said was true
anyone could go to catholic mass and do the sacaments and be saved . Gods grace saved us , it was not by works which we did ,
BUT by HIS grace . WHAT can wash away my sin , NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS . TRY singing that once or twice .
HAVE SOME FAITH in what JESUS DID , IN HIS BLOOD ATONENMENT .

Eph 2 refers to redemption

we receive grace or the merits of his blood thru the sacraments

Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

 

[theefaith]

[QUOTE="Enoch111, post: 1098846, member: 7853"

not water?

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[theefaith]

Washed in the blood of the lamb . The whore lied to us my friend . IF what you just said was true
anyone could go to catholic mass and do the sacaments and be saved . Gods grace saved us , it was not by works which we did ,
BUT by HIS grace . WHAT can wash away my sin , NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS . TRY singing that once or twice .
HAVE SOME FAITH in what JESUS DID , IN HIS BLOOD ATONENMENT .

Blood in the sacraments

rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Windmillcharge]

Jesus is not our salvation: only what He taught?

You do not know scripture or God if you believe this.

 

[theefaith]

You do not know scripture or God if you believe this.

sorry spell check strikes again!
Jesus is our salvation in his person
As Simeon saw the infant and said “I have seen my salvation “!

so Jesus is our salvation
Mary is his mother so Mary is the mother of our salvation and our mother
And cos she found our salvation lost by Adam Lk 1:30
And consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

 

[amigo de christo]

Still would like to know how?

Thanks I have hope for you too

And so long as folks sit under that which is false , they wont know .
That is my point . The RCC claims its the church , yet was and is contrary to CHRIST ,
the jehovas and mormons stepped up , BUT YEAH THEY FALSE TOO .
THE SDA says the same thing , WE the church , YET THEY TEACH Falsehoods too .
THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH . CLING TO JESUS AND LEARN THAT BIBLE .

 

[theefaith]

And so long as folks sit under that which is false , they wont know .
That is my point . The RCC claims its the church , yet was and is contrary to CHRIST ,
the jehovas and mormons stepped up , BUT YEAH THEY FALSE TOO .
THE SDA says the same thing , WE the church , YET THEY TEACH Falsehoods too .
THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH . CLING TO JESUS AND LEARN THAT BIBLE .

me and Jesus?

personal savior?
Personal covenant?
Personal church and you’re own apostle?

 

[amigo de christo]

Blood in the sacraments

rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Windmillcharge]

esus is our salvation in his person

Is our salvation by his death and resurrection.
No one else has any part to play in it.

 

[theefaith]

Is our salvation by his death and resurrection.
No one else has any part to play in it.

And eve had no part to okay in the fall either?

pontius Pilate?
The Jews? Crucify him crucify him!
The Roman soldiers?

no one had any part to play???

mother and son have a intimate union

lk 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Matthew 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw theearthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Jesus is our salvation!
Mary is his mother, hence mother of our salvation and cos she found our salvation Ln 1:30 and consented to our salvation Lk 1:38 and received half of His kingdom
The queen of grace and mercy Heb 4:16

 

[amigo de christo]

Thee faith is doing the same thing bread of life does . He answers questions . Brings scriptures , Yet

And eve had no part to okay in the fall either?

pontius Pilate?
The Jews? Crucify him crucify him!
The Roman soldiers?

no one had any part to play???

mother and son have a intimate union

lk 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Matthew 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw theearthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Jesus is our salvation!
Mary is his mother, hence mother of our salvation and cos she found our salvation Ln 1:30 and consented to our salvation Lk 1:38 and received half of His kingdom
The queen of grace and mercy Heb 4:16

The real problem with Bible alone, is that it gets in the way of teachings and traditions of men apart from God.

There are people who really, really like lies over truth, especially when they really really study them very very carefully.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Who would want to forbid men to marry, or to abstain from certain meats?

Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.

Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.

 

[rockytopva]

I don’t believe a magisterial church denomination, either Protestant or Catholic, a good thing. John Wesley desired the Methodist to be a separated class within the established church. I don't believe John Wesley willed or liked the denomination and the UMC was the offspring of Asbury. Here in a letter to Francis Asbury he chastises Asbury for such activity....

LONDON
September 20, 1788


My Dear Brother:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.

But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,

John Wesley

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

“So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD." - Deut. 8:3

"But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” - Matt. 4:4

“Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deut. 12:32

Call me crazy, but the biblical Christ says man is to live by what God said, not man-made councils, creeds, dogmas, or the personal opinions of theologians.