Earburner
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Biblically speaking how does that happen, since after the initial act of God's Creation, every thing and every one is now generated by "seed"?
Can the Soul Die?
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I presume you are referring to Mark 9:43-48. Jesus is there talking about Gehenna, not Hades/hell.
All cute but none either addressed or refuted the specific points and again, you are misapplying them out of context.
Earburner
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I am assuming that you are meaning all the graves. However, it's not that hell/graves are literally cast into the LoF, but rather because of the Eternal Christ returning in all His Glory, being an all consuming, flaming fire.
Everything on the earth, in the earth and the earth itself will be burned up by fervent heat. Molten lava is a LoF.
2 Peter 3:10-12
The confusion is that places have been called hell when they are not - Tartarus is not Hades/hell. In Tartarus they were enchained by darkness - there was no light from flames.
You're are confused. 2 Peter 2:4 says, "For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness to be reserved for judgment", so the angels that sinned are kept in Tartarus until they are judged. The fire that's prepared for Satan and the angels that sinned is for their puniushment after they have been judged - they are then destroyed by fire.
Jesus said that was a vision, not an actual event:
Matthew 17:9 (ASV): And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen from the dead.
LTJMP14
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Many things are a mystery. I believe the soul is created immortal, and when the body dies the soul goes either to be with God until that soul is given a glorified body, or it goes to a place of separation where it awaits its eternal punishment.
Who are the twenty four elders in John's apocalyptic vision? Souls only physical beings?
Who are the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God in John's apocalyptic vision? Born again believers, of course.
Who are the great multitude standing before the throne in John's apocalyptic vision? More born again believers.
Who are the voices calling out in heaven in John's apocalyptic vision? Born again believers.
Who are the dead, STANDING before the Great White Throne in John's apocalyptic vision? Unbelievers.
Whose number is like the sand of the seashore that marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city in John's apocalyptic vision? Unbelievers.
LTJMP14
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No, they aren't. Cults are dead wrong. Punishment for rejecting God is eternal.
You are free to "believe" that they are from the government and are actually here to help if you want to but when you make the claim that its actual scripture then the requirement to validate that "belief" from the source attaches and you keep not doing it.
You have yet to actually do that or explain scriptures that directly contradict your "beliefs"
LTJMP14
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No. Your interpretation is wrong, yet favored by cults that are under Satan's deception.
You have yet to show the error in any legitimate read of scripture nor have you invalidated the scripture that directly contradicts your claims
LTJMP14
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I need not explain scripture for scripture explains itself. It is you that rejects the plain reading and meaning of scripture.
What that means in non- double talk is that you realize you are wrong and cannot refute it so you are now hiding behind obfuscating words and arguing in circles now. Textbook signature of a weak and refuted premise.
LTJMP14
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You're not dense, just arrogant. Scripture says what it says. You stretch and wrest it to your own destruction. I agree with scripture that the soul is immortal and lives forever either with God or separated from God. I don't have to defend that position because the Bible clearly defends it.
No, I'm correct and stated the case to refute your beliefs plainly with applicable references (specifically in #216)
Since then, you have done nothing but waffle, talk with circular rhetoric saying nothing and repeat the same false points over and over. What you have failed to do is either present a scriptural case to validate your points as you claim or refute the scriptures that clearly disprove your point.
LTJMP14
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The scripture I cited completely validates the fact that the soul is immortal and lives on forever after the body dies. You reject that position, so that's on you.
No, its been soundly refuted by me and others here- you just don't like it.
You cant make what's been written go away, its all upthread.
Brakelite
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So. Eternal life is not a gift as the scriptures inform us, but inherent to humanity?
Brakelite
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Correct. Cults are wrong. But take care in who you are calling a cult. Jesus was a cult leader according to the religious leaders of His day.
You are also correct that the punishment for rejecting God is eternal. Death, the wages of sin, is eternal if there is no resurrection subsequent to that death correct? And if we are naturally immortal, a common belief among all new age and pagan religious "cults", then how can we die subsequent to sin? Oh that's right. According to the devil's teaching to Eve right... Ye shall not surely die.
