Can the Soul Die?

[Brakelite]

You really believe the subject matter of this dialogue matters to my eternal salvation?

I didn't say that. That's for God to judge. Although worshipping a false god isn't ideal is it? And your false belief may affect another's salvation when they reject the false god you are presenting to them.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Too much time spent on this subject. God's blessings to you and yours.

When running away, any excuse will do

 

[LTJMP14]

If that were true we wouldn't be having this discussion- but you already know that. You are just waffling

It's really a waste of valuable time to go on. You believe as the cults believe, which is a warning to my sanctification. Since you can't simply accept my blessing and move on, I'll have to put you on ignore until some later point. God's blessing to you and yours.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

It's really a waste of valuable time to go on. You believe as the cults believe, which is a warning to my sanctification. Since you can't simply accept my blessing and move on, I'll have to put you on ignore until some later point. God's blessing to you and yours.

Run Forrest Run. You like to make things up as you go and then run away claiming a victory.

And you think that strengthens your cause?

 

[Brakelite]

Your position on what God's word says is in league with cults like JW's SDA and LDS. I don't believe anything cults advance. Believe what you will.

Your position is in league with pagan and new age, as well as Freemasonry and numerous occult belief systems all of whom agree in the natural immortality of the soul.
Your reference to so called "cults" is irrelevant. Even more damning to your argument considering they are actually correct and in harmony with biblical teaching and you wrong on this matter.

 

[LTJMP14]

When so-called Christians can't simply say "I agree to disagree. God's blessings to you and yours, too.", but evince a need to continuously hammer their thoughts and positions and use abusive terms to criticize you when you disagree, causes me to wonder whether they are indeed Christian. They think this forum is a game where there are winners and lovers. Thet forget that the victory is Jesus. Where's the love?

 

[farouk]

When so-called Christians can't simply say "I agree to disagree. God's blessings to you and yours, too.", but evince a need to continuously hammer their thoughts and positions and use abusive terms to criticize you when you disagree, causes me to wonder whether they are indeed Christian. They think this forum is a game where there are winners and lovers. Thet forget that the victory is Jesus. Where's the love.

1 Corinthians 15.57

 

[LTJMP14]

1 Corinthians 15.57

Thank you, brother. Onward, Christian soldier!

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

When so-called Christians can't simply say "I agree to disagree. God's blessings to you and yours, too.", but evince a need to continuously hammer their thoughts and positions and use abusive terms to criticize you when you disagree, causes me to wonder whether they are indeed Christian.

Would you like some cheese with your ad hom while you are running and hiding from the issues?

 

[farouk]

Thank you, brother. Onward, Christian soldier!

@LTJMP14 ...Marching as to war...

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." (Ephesians 6.12-13)

 

[Brakelite]

@Backlit... I really am sorry that this is CLEARLY a topic that upsets you... I have left you a note addressing this... but truly upon reading this thread.... there is NOTHING more can be said here.... YOU will be responsible for your beliefs... just like we are responsible for ours.

I believe the scripture states... SEEK me with all your heart and you will find ME. I honestly do not see God as cruel or inhumane... even though I do not understand all of God's heart... I place COMPLETE CONFIDENCE in the finished work of CHRIST on the CROSS. To me this is an issue of rejecting the BLOOD of CHRIST... and the punishment for that is HUGE.... eternal in fact... That is HOW GRIEVOUS a CRIME it is to reject the ATONEMENT of CHRIST..... if you do not believe that Christ is GOD... then there is NO sacrifice available to you for your sins.

You are looking at God through human eyes and with human understanding...

I have gotten to know you a bit over these last weeks... I am sad that you view things in this light.

Anyways... I did say I was finished here... and I am... but I wanted to address your heart.

I'm in a hurry so will address this very briefly. It isn't about me, but about how God is misrepresented by those so determined to promote what is in reality a medieval doctrine with only an implied support from scripture. There are Hebrew nuances to those references to "for ever and ever" and "everlasting" etc which do not mean eternity. I dunt have time to address them in detail, but generally speaking the everlasting references do have a limited scope which lasts until the end of a specific time frame or circumstance or age.

 

[LTJMP14]

@LTJMP14 ...Marching as to war...

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." (Ephesians 6.12-13)

Amen.

 

[farouk]

Amen.

PS: @LTJMP14 Great, new avatar picture and verse, BTW.....

 

[Addy]

I'm in a hurry so will address this very briefly. It isn't about me, but about how God is misrepresented by those so determined to promote what is in reality a medieval doctrine with only an implied support from scripture. There are Hebrew nuances to those references to "for ever and ever" and "everlasting" etc which do not mean eternity. I dunt have time to address them in detail, but generally speaking the everlasting references do have a limited scope which lasts until the end of a specific time frame or circumstance or age.

Can I still be your little sister... who usually likes your birds except for the last one?

 

[amadeus]

I'm in a hurry so will address this very briefly. It isn't about me, but about how God is misrepresented by those so determined to promote what is in reality a medieval doctrine with only an implied support from scripture. There are Hebrew nuances to those references to "for ever and ever" and "everlasting" etc which do not mean eternity. I dunt have time to address them in detail, but generally speaking the everlasting references do have a limited scope which lasts until the end of a specific time frame or circumstance or age.

I am with you on this. The first time I heard of this was probably in the late 1980's shorting after moving to Oklahoma. My then pastor taught a Bible study on that very subject, that is about those phrases Not meaning 'eternity'. Unfortunately not many people are able to believe that. His study worked well with what I reading in my German and Spanish Bibles, which were Not translated from English but from original languages. What do we hear and what do we understand?

 

[Earburner]

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars" Daniel 12:2-3.

If you listen closely to the words of verse 2, you will immediately relate to the word "dust", as being what God created our flesh from. So for those who "sleep in the dust of the earth" is not talking about people in their graves, but rather those who are alive, walking around, who are asleep in the dust (their bodies) to the gospel message, and do not hear the Voice of God through their minds calling to them, or they have heard, but have chosen to ignore His Voice. They shall awake to shame and everlasting contempt, which awaits them. They did not recieve the Gift of eternal life while they were in their bodies (dust of the earth), therefore they "are none of his".
Romans 8:8-9

However, for those who do hear God calling to them, while they are alive in the dust of the earth, their bodies, they do awake and answer Him. They do repent towards Him, and become born again by His Holy Spirit, and have been given the Gift of Eternal Life, through faith in Jesus.
In turn, these are they who are spoken of in verse 3. They have become active partcipants in "the great commission".

 

[Earburner]

What's been written in God's word is as if it was written with an iron pen: the saved have eternal life and the unsaved have eternal punishment.

Yes, the punishMENT of eternal death is forever, but there will be no one who shall recieve from God the act of eternal punishING.

 

[Earburner]

Many things are a mystery. I believe the soul is created immortal, and when the body dies the soul goes either to be with God until that soul is given a glorified body, or it goes to a place of separation where it awaits its eternal punishment.

Who are the twenty four elders in John's apocalyptic vision? Souls only physical beings?

Who are the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God in John's apocalyptic vision? Born again believers, of course.

Who are the great multitude standing before the throne in John's apocalyptic vision? More born again believers.

Who are the voices calling out in heaven in John's apocalyptic vision? Born again believers.

Who are the dead, STANDING before the Great White Throne in John's apocalyptic vision? Unbelievers.

Whose number is like the sand of the seashore that marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city in John's apocalyptic vision? Unbelievers.

I am trying to follow your thinking. Does God first create an eternal human soul, and then deposits it into a mortal body at birth?

 

[LTJMP14]

I am trying to follow your thinking. Does God first create an eternal human soul, and then deposits it into a mortal body at birth?

You can ask God that one. But, in the beginning, God breathed life into Adam, and Adam became a living soul. So, does that mean that once Adam became a living soul that a genetically altering event occurred that transcends one generation to the next and the next, and so on, from the mere act procreation?

 

[Earburner]

You can ask God that one. But, in the beginning, God breathed life into Adam, and Adam became a living soul. So, does that mean that once Adam became a living soul that a genetically altering event occurred that transcends one generation to the next and the next, and so on, from the mere act procreation?

Scripturally, I tend to look at Adam's creation with question of what exactly was it that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam.
Since it was Moses who wrote the book of Genesis, all should agree that he had NO knowledge of what the Periodic Table of the Elements was, so that he could discern what Atoms were, and what it was exactly that they do. Being void of all that factual knowledge, the only thing that he observed was, without the "breath of life", human and animal life cannot exist.
In the following verses, lets see if all here for once and for all, conclude exactly what the "breath of life" is: KJV- Genesis 2:7, 6:17, 7:22.
Here is a clue: its a gaseous element of God's creation.