"Please Report Heresy"
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Brakelite
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Reading back I just twigged what you meant by 'vacation'.
Paul said:-
But this I confess unto thee,
.. that after the way which they (the Jews) call heresy,
.... so worship I the God of my fathers,
...... believing all things
........ which are written in the law
.......... and in the prophets:
And have hope toward God,
.. which they (the Jews) themselves also allow,
.... there shall be a resurrection of the dead,
...... both of the just and unjust.
And herein do I exercise myself,
.. to have always a conscience void of offence
.... toward God,
...... and toward men.'
(Act 24:14-16)
But this I confess unto thee,
.. that after the way which they (the Jews) call heresy,
.... so worship I the God of my fathers,
...... believing all things
........ which are written in the law
.......... and in the prophets:
And have hope toward God,
.. which they (the Jews) themselves also allow,
.... there shall be a resurrection of the dead,
...... both of the just and unjust.
And herein do I exercise myself,
.. to have always a conscience void of offence
.... toward God,
...... and toward men.'
(Act 24:14-16)
That conversation is happening right now... on another thread.
2ndRateMind
Active Member
Today seems to be my definition day. A heresy is when someone with earthly power uses that power to exercise control over someone else's right to freedom of religion. ie., the accused may believe something the power does not, or not believe something the power does. Since, in my experience at any rate, powers are not more accurate than the accused, I would like to see the charge of heresy abolished. Except, perhaps, from cases where the accused has neither evidence nor logic to justify themselves, and the power has both.
Best wishes, 2RM.
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Brakelite
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Not precisely my own definition, but the way you expressed it, I believe, has great merit. Who will admit that his own earthly power is being erroneously applied? Many supposed believers forget or never knew the wisdom God gave to Solomon:
"Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil." Prov 3:7
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good." Prov 15:3
"All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits." Prov 16:2
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
BarneyFife
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It also calls for a nullification of 2 Timothy 3:16.
I don't quite understand this statement. I thought there was always a distinction made between the Hebrew-penned and Greek-penned Scriptures. Canonization is reported to have been attempted as early as the 2nd century, sometimes rejecting the OT altogether. Am I misunderstanding the meaning of your statement? :)
BarneyFife
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I always thought that the NT never overrules the OT, just as the OT never supersedes the NT, unless, of course, one is Jewish. :)
Yes....I am saying the New Testament is a fulfillment of prophesy in the Old Testament and that both need to be studied together....It also calls for a nullification of 2 Timothy 3:16.
I don't quite understand this statement. I thought there was always a distinction made between the Hebrew-penned and Greek-penned Scriptures. Canonization is reported to have been attempted as early as the 2nd century, sometimes rejecting the OT altogether. Am I misunderstanding the meaning of your statement? :)
Before the KJV was published there was not an old and new testament bible.
And furthermore, reading of the scrolls was not permitted by the public.
kcnalp is demanding scripture that says the OT overrules the NT....and that is not what I intended in my post.
Yes the scrolls are in Hebrew, Greek and even Aramaic. But the main point is scripture interprets scripture and you have to refer to the OT to bring clarity to the NT....
Hope I made sense
BarneyFife
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That sounds distinctly like persecution to me--not heresy.
Would you say earthly powers are involved in the following Biblical references using the Greek word "hairesis" (Strong's 139), the one most often translated to the English "heresy?"
2 Peter 2:1
Acts 24:5
Acts 24:14
Galatians 5:20
1 Corinthians 11:19
Titus 3:10
BarneyFife
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I am not annoyed....lol....mercy.
Communication by text or email is very difficult at times.
If you would like to ask me a question please feel free. :)
I even added a smiley face...hows dat?:):)
Taken
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Small minds think small.
Natural spirits think naturally.
Try to not think carnally, or with a natural spirit, when discussing SPIRITUAL THINGS!
I expressly spoke OF:
Commands of God, Gods Written STATUTES!
Laws of Hebrews, Tribes, Jews!
Precepts that apply for the benefit of ALL men
ALL of God Written STATUTES APPLY...to ALL men...OT and reiterated in the NT!
(UNTIL such time they ARE FUFILLED...FULFILLED IS ACCOMPLISHED...
ACCOMPLISHED IS achieved BY CONVERSION IN CHRIST)
FULFILLED by Gods Works.
ALL of the Hebrews, Tribes, Jews LAW APPLY to Hebrews, Tribes, Jews...
(UNTIL such time they ARE FULFILLED...
FULFILLED IS ACCOMPLISHED...
ACCOMPLISHED IS achieved BY ADHERING to the LAW, UNTIL their physical Death)...
UNLESS THEY CONVERT IN CHRIST...THEN their law IN ACCOMPLISHED, FULFILLED.
FULFILLED by Gods Works.
ALL of GODS PRECEPTS APPLY to ALL men...
MEN WHO themselves ACCOMPLISH Gods Precepts....ADVANTAGES themselves in harmony AMONG and BETWEEN MEN....regardless if they are LIKE WISE BELIEVERS.
Obviously YOUR SNARKY remark reveals you neither understood or went and search the scripture to LEARN about...and the DIFFERENCES...OF;
Gods written Statutes;
Hebrew, Tribal, Jewish Law;
Precepts among all men...
WHO it applies to ... WHY it applies ...
And WHO obeys what apllies to them.
Conversations with you, pertaining to Spiritual things...IS ALWAYS you arguing with carnal thoughts and a natural spirit....and a repeated fail.
John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Taken
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Earlier someone was arguing...NT had not been written, so blah, blah no they did not read Scripture......Pfft...
Agree, Correct, they absolutely did "read" OT Scripture...while in the process of "preaching" orally the NT, (being written by Scribes, as they Preached)...but not yet "Recorded", by the "recorders", who penned the Scrolls, from the Scribes "writings".
Amen.
Taken
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LOL....
That is the ALL TIME most stupid claim of people Against Receiving The Gift of the Lords Forgiveness, Salvation and Quickening.Anyone with an OUNCE of grey matter, should know...NO man requires A "license" <--- LOL or special permission to SIN...!!
Haven't you heard? all men are naturally born IN SIN, and naturally COMMIT SIN... UNTIL SUCH TIME
* By the POWER of God and * Through the AUTHORITY Christ... THEY BECOME MADE FORGIVEN and MADE FREE FROM SIN
NOT...LOL...
given a license TO SIN!* WHAT a weird, senseless, carnal minded accusation...
Laughable on its face!
BarneyFife
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Well, I know you said your main point was that NT and OT have to be studied together to be understood properly and I couldn't agree more, but I'm still confused about the pre-1611 KJV statement. Do you mean the 1st OT/NT Bible from a printing press or the 1st English OT/NT Bible? Because Wycliffe's Translation (which was not at first printed but, indeed published) predates the King James by over over 2 centuries. Just nitpicking, I guess. I worked in a precise industrial profession before I retired which required excessive attention to detail. Pay no attention to my ramblings. lol :)I am not annoyed....lol....mercy.
Communication by text or email is very difficult at times.
If you would like to ask me a question please feel free. :)
I even added a smiley face...hows dat?:):)
2ndRateMind
Active Member
The charge of heresy is one way to prosecute persecution, don't you think?
Best wishes, 2RM.
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