The first horseman of the Apocalypse

[Zao is life]

It floats around in Dispensationalism's teachings in (Dual Covenant Theology) in the (Two Peoes Of God) Jew/Church, a teaching in error

Yeah I've realized by now that @marks is a Dispense (with the saved Jews and Gentiles in the Kingdom of Christ) sensationalist (i.e, Dispensationalist).

 

[Truth7t7]

And the great whitge throne comes how long after Satan has been destroyed in the LoF?

And Satan is destroyed in the LoF how long after the beast and the false prophet (who are already there when Satan is destroyed in it)?

And the second death at the time of the Great White Throne occurs how long after those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and their refusal to worship the beast and its image begin to reign with Christ?

And does the seond death have power over those who haad been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and their refusal to worship the beast and its image once they are living and reigning with Christ?

The final judgement of all takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire, as he dissolves this earth by fire in final judgement on the last day (The End)

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This has nothing to do with the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ regarding the thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

This has nothing to do with the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ regarding the thousand years.

Fact is, no Millennial kingdom on this earth is found in the revelation, it's a fabricated fairytale of man

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Son of Man has already come, and the nations have already been separated:

John 12
31 Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself.
33 But He said this, signifying what kind of death He was about to die.

Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death.

John 3
18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

John 3:18 is also the decreed sentence for a world that has already been judged and found guilty - the decreed sentence which will be carried out at the time of the Great White Throne:

Revelation 20
15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

I Disagree, the great white throne judgement, and its parallel teaching in Matthew 25:31-46 is a future event, that will take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And according to the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ (I'm not asking according to you):
This occurs how long after the dragon has been destroyed in the LoF?
And the dragon is destroyed in the LoF how long after the beast and false prophet are destroyed in the LoF?
And the second death occurs how long after the beast and false prophet are destroyed in the LoF?
And the second death occurs how long after those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Christ and refusal to wosrhip the beast and its image have begun to reign with Christ?

Remember, I'm asking you to answer these questions according to the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not according to you.

 

[Zao is life]

I Disagree, the great white throne judgement, and its parallel teaching in Matthew 25:31-46 is a future event, that will take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ

By what crieria are those who experience the second death judged? By your criteria, or by the crieria given by Jesus in John 3:18 and John 12:31?

 

[Truth7t7]

And according to the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ (I'm not asking according to you):
This occurs how long after the dragon has been destroyed in the LoF?
And the dragon is destroyed in the LoF how long after the beast and false prophet are destroyed in the LoF?
And the second death occurs how long after the beast and false prophet are destroyed in the LoF?
And the second death occurs how long after those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Christ and refusal to wosrhip the beast and its image have begun to reign with Christ?

Remember, I'm asking you to answer these questions according to the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not according to you.

The beast, false prophet, and satan are all judged to the lake of fire at the second coming, at the final judgement, it's that simple

The book of revelation is taught in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not chronologically as dispensationalism falsely teaches

 

[Zao is life]

The beast, false prophet, and satan are all judged to the lake of fire at the second coming, at the final judgement, it's that simple

The book of revelation is taught in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not chronologically as dispensationalism falsely teaches

Oh I see, so the simple and plain meaning of what is written has to be changed to a simple and plain meaning which contradicts the simple and plain meaning of the scripture.

I see.

 

[Truth7t7]

By what crieria are those who experience the second death judged? By your criteria, or by the crieria given by Jesus in John 3:18 and John 12:31?

The second death is nothing more than the second resurrection of the wicked seen in John 5:28-29, this takes place at the second coming that is the last day

All men will be judged by the Lords words, as clearly stated in John 12:48

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh I see, so the simple and plain meaning of what is written has to be changed to a simple and plain meaning which contradicts the simple and plain meaning of the scripture.

I see.

That's your opinion, and it's my opinion the info provided is true

You desperately try to establish a Millennial kingdom on this earth that's not found in scripture, but is a fabricated fairytale of man

 

[Zao is life]

The second death is nothing more than the second resurrection of the wicked seen in John 5:28-29, this takes place at the second coming that is the last day

All men will be judged by the Lords words, as clearly stated in John 12:48

That doesn't answer my question. By what crieria are those who experience the second death judged? By your criteria, or by the crieria given by Jesus in John 3:18 and John 12:31?

 

[Truth7t7]

That doesn't answer my question. By what crieria are those who experience the second death judged? By your criteria, or by the crieria given by Jesus in John 3:18 and John 12:31?

Once Again

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Zao is life]

That's your opinion, and it's my opinion the info provided is true

You desperately try to establish a Millennial kingdom on this earth that's not found in scripture, but is a fabricated fairytale of man

Is this why you desperately imply Satan is bound when scripture repeatedly states the opposite?

Should we start going through the list of scriptures again which teach that Satan is not bound in any way, shape or form, either to deceive the nations, or the church (where Christians make it possible through false doctrine), or whether it's to ultimately gather the armies of the beast against the Lamb?

 

[Zao is life]

Once Again

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Thank you. So you admit then that the world has already been judged and found guilty and that the decreed sentence which is the second death has not yet been carried out upon those who are not in the Ark/Book of Life/Christ, through faith in Christ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Is this why you desperately imply Satan is bound when scripture repeatedly states the opposite?

Should we start going through the list of scriptures again which teach that Satan is not bound in any way, shape or form, either to deceive the nations, or the church (where Christians make it possible through false doctrine), or whether it's to ultimately gather the armies of the beast against the Lamb?

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thank you. So you admit then that the world has already been judged and found guilty and that the decreed sentence which is the second death has not yet been carried out upon those who are not in the Ark/Book of Life/Christ, through faith in Christ?

Only the unsaved wicked will partake in the (second death/resurrection) seen in John 5:28-29, this takes place at the second coming on the last day "Future"

 

[Zao is life]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Where is the scripture in the epistles (not the Revelation, but in the epistles) which states that Satan is currently bound until the time when he will be released in order to give the beast his seat, his power and great authority?

I ask because all I find in the epistles are warnings about Satan and his activities in the world, but no mention or even hint that he is "bound" in any way, shape or form.

Also, are you saying that those who come against the camp of the saints at the close of Revelation 20 just before Satan is destroyed in the LoF are the beast and his armies which had already been destroyed in the LoF a thousand years before Satan?

 

[Zao is life]

Only the unsaved wicked will partake in the (second death/resurrection) seen in John 5:28-29, this takes place at the second coming on the last day "Future"

So when will those live and reign with Christ who were beheaded for their testimony to Christ and refusal to worship the beast and his image?

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is the scripture in the epistles (not the Revelation, but in the epistles) which states that Satan is currently bound until the time when he will be released in order to give the beast his seat, his power and great authority?

I ask because all I find in the epistles are warning about Satan and his activities in the world, but no mention or even hint that he is "bound" in any way, shape or form.

Also, are you saying that those who come against the camp of the saints at the close of the Revelation just before Satan is destroyed in the LoF are the beast and his armies which had already been destroyed in the LoF a thousand years before Satan?

You have clearly been shown "Several Times"how and why satan is bound, as revelation 20:7-8 interprets (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, not present evil in this world as you project again and again

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.