Bible alone!

[theefaith]

Very good and right to the point . We must warn all to come out of her .

have read of the great faith of Susana dan 13?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

I'm literally sickened in my stomach when you guys start going off about Mary. I can't stand a word of it. It's so utterly sickening to me. You can't possibly know Christ in a personal relationship if you think this Mary stuff somehow compares to a personal and direct relationship with Christ Himself. If you had that personal relationship with Christ you'd see He is not in this Mary stuff. That's how saved, Spirit filled people can tell it's false: The Holy Spirit they are so familiar with is not in the Catholic church's doctrines and practices. If you do not have Christ in you in salvation you will not have the Spirit of discernment to enable you to see that the Catholic church and it's Mary worship cult is a fraud. I don't want to be so blunt but this is serious business.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s in scripture dan 13
It’s about faith in God!

If there is anything in it that contradicts the scriptures I already have then I will know it's a fake. Frankly, I just don't need what is in those writings. The Bible I have is quite sufficient to nurture my relationship with God through Christ. It's been enough for 35 years now. I know that by the Spirit that's in me. People on the outside looking in don't understand being saved is a real relationship. It is fellowship and intimacy with a real being. It's not a textbook relationship that you just tell yourself is real.

 

[theefaith]

I'm literally sickened in my stomach when you guys start going off about Mary. I can't stand a word of it. It's so utterly sickening to me. You can't possibly know Christ in a personal relationship if you think this Mary stuff somehow compares to a personal and direct relationship with Christ Himself. If you had that personal relationship with Christ you'd see He is not in this Mary stuff. That's how saved, Spirit filled people can tell it's false: The Holy Spirit they are so familiar with is not in the Catholic church's doctrines and practices. If you do not have Christ in you in salvation you will not have the Spirit of discernment to enable you to see that the Catholic church and it's Mary worship cult is a fraud. I don't want to be so blunt but this is serious business.

no saved until the hour of death

And these guys

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).


St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):

“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).

St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.

For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.

“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.

“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.

“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.

“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!

Half of the kingdom of Christ belongs to Mary!

the kingdom of justice Jesus retains and shares even this with his apostles Matt 19:28

the kingdom of grace and mercy are Mary’s
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Lk 1:30 found our salvation
Lk 1:38 Consented to our salvation
Heb 4:16 the throne of grace

 

[David H.]

that’s the whole point the spirit of truth bring the unity of faith and obedience of faith

Or there would not be one mind one heart
Thee faith

Your pointing to one heart, one mind and unity, yet here you are trying proseletyze for your denomination and man made institutional church. Unity of the Spirit ONLY comes when we give up man made doctrines and religious dross.

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (Ephesians 4:13-15)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Colossians 2:8-10)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

that’s the whole point the spirit of truth bring the unity of faith and obedience of faith

Yes: "...until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature..." Ephesians 4:13

It's a process. And it is the Spirit of discernment within the the born again person that guides them through the buffeting waves, "blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming" Ephesians 4:14

Every true believer has this anointing in him to recognize the false teachings of cunning and crafty men. We don't need a Catholic priesthood to do that for us. That's the point. God has given the capacity to do that to the individual believer himself.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

then why do we need to be taught Lk 1:4?

Teachers teach the teachings. Believers then discern them as being true or not. Individual believers themselves don't write doctrines (unless they had that calling). They discern them. John says each believer has this anointing to discern truth from falseness (1 John 2:20-21, 1 John 2:26-27). This is in fulfillment of prophecy:

"...your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, 'This is the way; walk in it.'" Isaiah 30:20-21
​

That voice behind us whispering in our ear is the Holy Spirit, not your local Catholic or Protestant priest. We don't need them to tell us what teachings are true and which ones are not. They just need to be faithful to teach the truth as each is responsible to God to do that.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

1 Jn 2:1 John is a spiritual father!
My little children
He is talking to adult Christians

Of course he's talking to adult Christians. And, yes, John is a spiritual father whose words speak to us to this very day. What he is not is our spiritual discerner. The Holy Spirit is that in each individual believer himself.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

no saved until the hour of death

Justification occurs when a person believes. And justification is a one time event that does not have to be repeated. Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14
He will be saved from the wrath of God when Christ returns.

And these guys

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).


St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):

“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).

St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.

For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.

“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.

“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.

“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.

“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!

Half of the kingdom of Christ belongs to Mary!

the kingdom of justice Jesus retains and shares even this with his apostles Matt 19:28

the kingdom of grace and mercy are Mary’s
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Lk 1:30 found our salvation
Lk 1:38 Consented to our salvation
Heb 4:16 the throne of grace

I don't care about Mary. And I don't care about any church father because my allegiance is not to men. The Spirit is my guide into truth. You are sorely wrong if you think I submit to everything protesting leaders say just because they are protesters of the Catholic church.

 

[Addy]

I'm literally sickened in my stomach when you guys start going off about Mary. I can't stand a word of it. It's so utterly sickening to me. You can't possibly know Christ in a personal relationship if you think this Mary stuff somehow compares to a personal and direct relationship with Christ Himself. If you had that personal relationship with Christ you'd see He is not in this Mary stuff. That's how saved, Spirit filled people can tell it's false: The Holy Spirit they are so familiar with is not in the Catholic church's doctrines and practices. If you do not have Christ in you in salvation you will not have the Spirit of discernment to enable you to see that the Catholic church and it's Mary worship cult is a fraud. I don't want to be so blunt but this is serious business.

Pepto Bismol

 

[theefaith]

If there is anything in it that contradicts the scriptures I already have then I will know it's a fake. Frankly, I just don't need what is in those writings. The Bible I have is quite sufficient to nurture my relationship with God through Christ. It's been enough for 35 years now. I know that by the Spirit that's in me. People on the outside looking in don't understand being saved is a real relationship. It is fellowship and intimacy with a real being. It's not a textbook relationship that you just tell yourself is real.

dan 13 was apostles approved scripture for over a thousand years until the “tradition of men” under king James said nay! So keep following men. I’ll follow the apostles as scripture says acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

Your pointing to one heart, one mind and unity, yet here you are trying proseletyze for your denomination and man made institutional church. Unity of the Spirit ONLY comes when we give up man made doctrines and religious dross.

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (Ephesians 4:13-15)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Colossians 2:8-10)

divine and catholic faith (the only faith of Christians in the church the communion of saints) is revealed by God!

Unlike the traditions of men having no authority form Christ under king James deemed dan 13 and many books and chapters not scripture and men like luther (excommunicated) even wanted James Jude And revelation removed

so who decides

where did Jesus say what is the cannon of scripture?
Or that all revealed truths are in scripture
Even scripture points to the teaching authority of the apostles acts 2:42

ever the faith story of Susana in dan 13?

 

[theefaith]

Sorry my iPhone added those

 

[Addy]

HAHAHAHA... your iphone might be trying to tell you something....

 

[Karl Peters]

“Bible alone” is false doctrine

So if the Bible has absolutely zero validity to you, what do you put your faith in?

The silliness that happens when people don't actually listen to the voice of the Lord--

Look - in the OP we read a statement and a point is made that is it not the "Bible alone"

Of it is not the "Bible Alone"!!!!! Because the Bible points us to Jesus Christ - right - or did we just flat out not read the Bible?

Yet a response is made saying the the writer of the OP thinks "the Bible has absolutely zero validity" How silly - that is not "The Bible alone" that is clearly not what was written in the OP and is thus a false or badly mistaken accusation totally lacking and ignoring the statements made in the OP.

Then we read for what is to me a very sad part:

If you are a believer, you truly must have SOME deep level of faith in scripture or your only option is to trust man to teach you how/what God is.

It is clearly explained in the Bible (the Holy Scriptures) that we are to believe (put our faith in Jesus Christ) and that His sheep hear His voice!! How can you possibly say you read the Bible and miss the fact that the Bible tells you to believe in Jesus Christ and listen to Him???? You can't - but perhaps you can choose to not believe what you read!!

So why does someone thing that if they don't read their Bible their only option is to listen to other men?? What about the Lord??? Can't you talk to Him???

And if you talk to Him isn't He the Teacher is He not going to tell you to read your Bible (His textbook) and go over it with you??

Of course if you don't believe in our Teacher (Jesus Christ) but instead have put your faith in the Bible alone - then you will have to consider the line upon line of text in the Scriptures the only word of God - because you don't up your faith in Jesus Christ, like the Scriptures tell you to!!!

You would think the Lord would have discussed this in the Bible --- OH YEAH - He did - didn't He??

Is 28:13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen
So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there,” That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive

The Lord had Isaiah bring His words and explanation about what happens when we will not listen to Him!! What happens is obvious - if you don't what to listen to Him then the only words you have to from God are going to be the "Bible Alone" - that is to say "the word of the Lord to them who will not listen to the Lord will wind up being the Line on line, line on line" of the text in the Scriptures!! And that so that they will stumble backwards, be broken, be snared and taken captive.

Oh - they might pick up a little word from the Lord here or there simply because Jesus, like He said, does stand that the door knocking with His voice hoping that people will open up to Him - but opening up to Him means believing that He is there to talk to you and they don't want to believe in Him but they put their faith in the Scriptures. It's sad because faith in the Scriptures doesn't save you, faith in Jesus Christ saves you. That too was explained in the Bible.

Jn 5:398 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

It was a problem with the Jews back then and there is nothing new under the Sun. Some people are seeking the Scriptures because they think their faith in those Scriptures with save them (give them eternal life) but they are unwilling to come to Jesus Christ so that they may have life.

People - if you thinking the Bible alone is going to save you had better read the Bible a bit closer and believe what is written in it - because these problem, like thinking it is the Bible alone, are discussed in the Bible. The Lord made sure He explained them, so all you have to do is believe what you read and apply it to your life - which means you will put your faith in Jesus Christ, seek Him and His voice and open up to Him - so you will know that the Bible was pointing you to Him!!!

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Moses and the other writers heard from the Lord and were trying to get us to turn to Him!!

Deu 30:14 “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

People have been trying to make it about the sacred writings, the traditions of men, and about leaning on their own understanding instead of seeking the Lord and listening to Him - yet it was always about getting to know the Lord personally. Abram didn't have the Scriptures but Abram believed in the Lord and became the father of our faith, as someone who believed in the Lord and listen to Him!!

Mar 32:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

If you don't understand - to do what the Lord wants you to do you have to listen to His voice!!

Jn 10:4 “When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

The Bible is not His voice - He voice comes from His Holy Spirit to your spirit!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So not the Bible but the Holy Spirit talking to you and bring the words of our Lord to us.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

There are still some shut up under sin because they are still trying to follow their understanding of the Scriptures instead of seeking Jesus Christ and believing in Him. And then there are those who have found Jesus Christ and understand that it is not the Bible alone. God's text book does not save you, but the Lord your God and Teacher is our Savior - that is what we call Him Jesus (God's salvation)!!! Our faith is in HIM!!

 

[theefaith]

Is this what you call tradition of men?

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

or

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

the apostles are our fathers who care for our souls

 

[amigo de christo]

dan 13 was apostles approved scripture for over a thousand years until the “tradition of men” under king James said nay! So keep following men. I’ll follow the apostles as scripture says acts 2:42

Dan thirteen was accepted by the R double C for over a thousand years . Lets face it , THE RCC are the apostels YOU speak about .
But there was no original DAN thirteen . Men added that stuff .

 

[amigo de christo]

HAHAHAHA... your iphone might be trying to tell you something....

For those who are in the false institutions are lulled to sleep and know it not . Exactly .

 

[MatthewG]

To anyone who may be reading this,

You should know these are some of my thoughts on the bible if you are curious to know,

To me the bible is the word of God. That was written and inspired by those who were indwelled by the holy spirit. There is a lot of rich narrative through out the entirety of the bible along with such a lot of the relations between man and God, along side the redeeming of mankind after the fall.

The bible is a wonderful tool and guide for us to day if you are learning in the right way of looking at the context while considering all of the who, why, what, when, where, how which helps considerably as you go along slowly digesting and reading the word of God and trying to see what you can understand today that may be applicable for you in your life now today for there are so many great lessons in the bible.

Jesus Christ most certainly is a big step in a persons life to allow in their lives to trust and have faith when it is fully established that persons life tends to get spiritually better in hopes and enjoys of knowing that there is a wonderful God who loves, and cares, and desires to know about everything going on in the believers life, and that they are loved and that they have the right to understand on Yeshuas behalf they now have been made right with God and can go to Him at anytime, and God is not angry with them, and desires to help them in and through by the holy spirit which is given when a person makes the choice to believe in Christ.

Thank you for your time viewing and reading,
Matthew G.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

dan 13 was apostles approved scripture for over a thousand years until the “tradition of men” under king James said nay! So keep following men. I’ll follow the apostles as scripture says acts 2:42

What will it add to what I now know from my Bible?