The problem with the thousand years?

[Ronald David Bruno]

In revelation chapter 20 when does the thousand year binding end?

When does the thousand year reigning end?

1 x 1 = 1
They start at the same time, only Christ's reign is eternal. The first earth and heavens, sin, death, Satan and his demons, Hades and all who are in it, will be destroyed with a fervent heat in the Lake of Fire
(2 Peter 3:10).
The New Jerusalem is the new eternal heaven/earth.

 

[Marty fox]

"Would" is a big word.

I’ll have to respond after I get back from church and thanks for not trying to divert this thread but I think it’s been hijacked a few times now LOL

FYI I’m English too I left Coventry at age 7 and immigrated to Canada

 

[Marty fox]

1 x 1 = 1
They start at the same time, only Christ's reign is eternal. The first earth and heavens, sin, death, Satan and his demons, Hades and all who are in it, will be destroyed with a fervent heat in the Lake of Fire
(2 Peter 3:10).
The New Jerusalem is the new eternal heaven/earth.

Yes thanks they do start at the same time and end at different times and yes they all will be judged at the end

 

[Marty fox]

So now I will see how you will answer my protest that Babylon the Great is destroyed by the (ten horns of the) beast, and the beast is taken and then destroyed by Christ in the LoF. Unless you want to do a cut 'n paste job and place thousands of years between the one and the other (the way many people do with Daniel 9:27b), it doesn't fit.

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked;they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled

After Gods purpose was fulfilled by the beast God judged the beast and cast the demonic being into the lake of fire and then Rome eventually fell

We know that it had to be a demon who was cast into the lake of fire because it happens before the judgement day and this can only happen to demons not people

 

[Marty fox]

The point about the mark is that it is after the 7th Seal. It is physical and it physically removes one's name from the Lamb's book of life.

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

This is prior to receiving the mark.

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."

The mark is permanent and physical.

We see again what happens to those who recieve the wrath of God:

"And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."

No one is repenting.

"And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."

Not only do these face Jesus Christ at Armageddon. 1000 years later they stand at the GWT, and are cast into the lake of fire.

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Maybe you missed my point about the mark being literal would mean that John 3:16 can’t stand. You just made a statement without addressing my point that salvation is to all who repent. The point isn’t will they repent or not it’s can they?

Can any of these verses below stand if the mark is literal?

Romans 10:13

for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved


John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life


1John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

None of them say unless they have the mark.

Let the scriptures interpret the scriptures as they can’t contradict one another

 

[Marty fox]

it appears to be the commentary of Riddlebarger and Gentry

As you have been shown, Daniel 9:27 is future, Just as Matthew 24:15 is speaking of the same event and not 70AD as you suggest, as Daniel 9:27 cleaely states, the bad guy will be present on earth causing abomination and desolation until the consummation (The End) and your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies ot 70AD didnt fulfill this evil figure

You take the literal second coming in Matthew 24:30 and turn it into a symbolic judgement upon Israel, you remove this literal event, to force your 70AD fulfillment

Revelation is just that, in telling of future end time events, including the two Witnesses, the Beast, plagues, second coming and final judgement, much of which you erase through symbolic allegory

There was no date given by Jesus to the destruction of Jerusalem as you claim, nothing more than mans opinion

Preterism and its teachings is a rubber ruler, if it dosent fit 70AD fulfillment, remove it through symbolic allegory and man's history books

The end of what? It could mean many different things

I don’t think that Antiochus Epehanies fulfilled 70AD he was a few hundred years before that

Jesus did say within that generation and it actually happened within that generation.


Why is there no New Testament reference to the 70Th week?

Anytime that there is no New testament backing of a prophecy from the Old Testament there is a reason for it and that is most likely because it was fulfilled in the Old Testament times.

First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

Daniel 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple ½ way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled back during the times of the Maccabees and history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

 

[Marty fox]

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

This is even before an image, the AoD is even set up.

"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Since they were given 42 months to control the nations, where else but from Jerusalem and a tabernacle, and a throne would they blaspheme?

Christ has a throne in Jerusalem: Matthew 25:31-32

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

Where else but to Jerusalem would Christ come? How can those in Revelation 13 sit before Christ has already sat?

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

How many times will Christ come with His angels and sit on a throne in a tabernacle/temple? And even with a Trumpet of God?

That is a matter of translations but tabernacle means dwelling place and God doesn’t dwell in a literal temple anymore He dwells within us

Your quote from Matthew 25 is on the judgement day after God has destroyed our current world with fire thus Jerusalem is no more

 

[Truth7t7]

you are just a mynah bird. You repeat over and over and refuse to address the bible verses that shred the hypotheses you bought into>

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

To believe your false theory, you have to believe that souls die!

You also have to say god is a lousy inspirer. Because everyone who has any knowledge of grammar knows that by these verses, Some people come to life to reign with Jesus for 1,000 years and the rest of teh dead have to wait 1,000 years.

If the thousand years is taking place now then who are these resurrected righteous who did not take th emark or worship the beast and his image???

As you do not like to accept Gpods Word as written, why should I accept your word as written??

No place in Revelation 20:4-6 is any person coming to life in a resurrected body as you claim, no resurrection has taken place, they live and reign in the Lords spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, their souls are waiting upon the resurrection, at the last day second coming

You have been shown several times the resurrection of all takes place on the last day at the second coming John 6:39-40, John 5:28-29

Pretty hard to have the souls, and the dead populate a Millennial Kingdom on this earth without bodies

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

The end of what? It could mean many different things

I don’t think that Antiochus Epehanies fulfilled 70AD he was a few hundred years before that

Jesus did say within that generation and it actually happened within that generation.


Why is there no New Testament reference to the 70Th week?
Anytime that there is no New testament backing of a prophecy from the Old Testament there is a reason for it and that is most likely because it was fulfilled in the Old Testament times.

First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

Daniel 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple ½ way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled back during the times of the Maccabees and history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

As explained to you several times, the "Future" bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27 is going to be present on earth until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" in perfect agreement with Daniel 7:11 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 below

Marty this didnt take place with Antiochus Epiphanies in 167BC or 70AD, the second coming, consummation, and the Lords destruction of the bad guy at his second coming is future unfulfilled

You can wait a couple days and pretend like this info hasn't been provided to you several times, it's not going to change, the bad guy is present upon earth to the very end, at the final judgement, a future event unfulfilled

Jesus Christ spoke of Daniel 9:27 below, (when he therefore shall see) a future generation

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Daniel's (Little Horn) is present on earth to the second coming and final judgement, This Didnt Take Place In 167BC or 70AD

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

The Bad guy is present to the (Consummation) The End, This Didnt Take Place In 164BC or 70AD

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Bad Guy Is Destroyed At The Second Coming, This Didnt Take Place In 164BC or 70AD

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[Truth7t7]

Why is there no New Testament reference to the 70Th week?

Anytime that there is no New testament backing of a prophecy from the Old Testament there is a reason for it and that is most likely because it was fulfilled in the Old Testament times.

First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

Daniel 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple ½ way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled back during the times of the Maccabees and history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

Your claim is in error, Daniel 9:27 that bad guy is seen below,in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11

Scripture below warns the believers

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Marty you teach in error, that the bad guy seen below isnt coming in the future?

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus Christ spoke of Daniel 9:27 below, (when you shall see)

As explained to you several times, the "Future" bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27 is going to be present on earth until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" in perfect agreement with Daniel 7:11 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 below

Marty this didnt take place in 70AD, the second coming, consummation, or the Lords destruction of the bad guy at his second coming didnt take place in 70AD

You can wait a couple days and pretend like this info hasn't been provided to you several times, it's not going to change, the bad guy is present upon earth to the very end, at the final judgement, a future event unfulfilled

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Daniel's (Little Horn) is present on earth to the second coming and final judgement, This Didnt Take Place In 70AD

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

The Bad guy is present to the (Consummation) The End, This Didnt Take Place In 70AD

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Bad Guy Is Destroyed At The Second Coming, This Didnt Take Place In 70AD

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

I keep telling you that I don’t think that Daniel 9:27 or the little horn took place in 70AD it didn’t I believe it was fulfilled during the time of the Maccabees before the first advent.

I believe that the Olivit discourse was fulfilled in 70AD Jesus comes in judgement many times like He threatened to in the verse below

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Daniel 9:7-14
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

These verses above in Daniel jump around in time showing that God will have the ultimate judgement and showing Jesus ascension back up to heaven after His resurrection verse 12 confirms it as those beast still live for a time

 

[Truth7t7]

I keep telling you that I don’t think that Daniel 9:27 or the little horn took place in 70AD it didn’t I believe it was fulfilled during the time of the Maccabees before the first advent.

I believe that the Olivit discourse was fulfilled in 70AD Jesus comes in judgement many times like He threatened to in the verse below

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Daniel 9:7-14
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

These verses above in Daniel jump around in time showing that God will have the ultimate judgement and showing Jesus ascension back up to heaven after His resurrection verse 12 confirms it as those beast still live for a time

Information Only, Please Respond To Post #349

Marty post #349 was revised to include 164BC and Antiochus Epiphanies

 

[Truth7t7]

First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

Daniel 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple ½ way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled back during the times of the Maccabees and history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

I agree, there is a 3.5 year tribulation, where there will be an evil man called the beast, and two witnesses who will bring literal plagues upon this beast and his kingdom (The World), all of which you remove from scripture as being future literal, in preterist interpretation, through symbolic allegory

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No place in Revelation 20:4-6 is any person coming to life in a resurrected body as you claim, no resurrection has taken place, they live and reign in the Lords spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, their souls are waiting upon the resurrection, at the last day second coming

You have been shown several times the resurrection of all takes place on the last day at the second coming John 6:39-40, John 5:28-29

and you have utterly failed to defend why the Bible should be taken non literally in these points while you should be taken literally. How do we know if you should be taken non-literally as well?

but even if your reinterpretation of Sacred Scripture is correct and the 1,000 years is a day, you still have two resurrections.

For example only let us say the non-literal 1,000 years =a day takes place on a monday at exactly 12 midnight and 1 second then those who didn't take the mark live and reign with jesus for exactly one day. Then on Tuesday at exactly 12 midnight and 1 second the rest of the dead come to life! Either way it is two days!

BTW please answer this as well for I am curious:

when does this one day= 1,000 years takes place? I would like to know what you think on this.

 

[Truth7t7]

If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

Daniel 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple ½ way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled back during the times of the Maccabees and history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

I agree the church is the temple of God

However scripture clearly teaches of a future temple and animal sacrifice being seen, yes this will be an Abomination to the shed blood upon Calvary, and evil before God

Only 2 places in the KJV is the word "Delusion" used, and they are both associated with a "House/Temple"

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I agree the church is the temple of God

However scripture clearly teaches of a future temple and animal sacrifice will be seen in Jerusalem, yes this will be an Abomination to the shed blood upon Calvary

Only 2 places in the KJV is the word "Delusion" used, and they are both associated with a "House/Temple"

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

But as you are in the habit to ddo, you totally reject the context it is written in to form a differing conclusion.

The abomination has nothing to do with a temple, but with actions people do. The future millenial temple will have sacrifices in it when jesus reigns physically on earth after He returns.

 

[Truth7t7]

and you have utterly failed to defend why the Bible should be taken non literally in these points while you should be taken literally. How do we know if you should be taken non-literally as well?

but even if your reinterpretation of Sacred Scripture is correct and the 1,000 years is a day, you still have two resurrections.

For example only let us say the non-literal 1,000 years =a day takes place on a monday at exactly 12 midnight and 1 second then those who didn't take the mark live and reign with jesus for exactly one day. Then on Tuesday at exactly 12 midnight and 1 second the rest of the dead come to life! Either way it is two days!

BTW please answer this as well for I am curious:

when does this one day= 1,000 years takes place? I would like to know what you think on this.

(A Thousand Years) represents the Lords eternal realm, there is no earthly time, as you suggest a earthly day "Wrong" it's eternal, (Uncertain Affinity) as seen below

You are taking (Uncertain Affinity) and trying to create a Kingdom On This Earth For A "Literal" One Thousand Years "Wrong"

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Truth7t7]

The future millenial temple will have sacrifices in it when jesus reigns physically on earth after He returns.

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth, and Jesus won't be in a temple on this earth as you claim, Jesus warned the Church against your teaching

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah God Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

(A Thousand Years) represents the Lords eternal realm, there is no earthly time, as you suggest a earthly day "Wrong" it's eternal, (Uncertain Affinity) as seen below

But you said it was a day! but if that 1,000 years represents eternity then som efolks get resurrected at teh beginning of eternity and some folks at thee end of eternity.

Revelation 20
King James Version

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,


Or are you saying that 1,000 years = a day= Jesus eternal realm is taking place now?

 

[Marty fox]

As explained to you several times, the "Future" bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27 is going to be present on earth until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" in perfect agreement with Daniel 7:11 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 below

Marty this didnt take place with Antiochus Epiphanies in 167BC or 70AD, the second coming, consummation, and the Lords destruction of the bad guy at his second coming is future unfulfilled

You can wait a couple days and pretend like this info hasn't been provided to you several times, it's not going to change, the bad guy is present upon earth to the very end, at the final judgement, a future event unfulfilled

Jesus Christ spoke of Daniel 9:27 below, (when he therefore shall see) a future generation

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Daniel's (Little Horn) is present on earth to the second coming and final judgement, This Didnt Take Place In 164BC or 70AD

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

The Bad guy is present to the (Consummation) The End, This Didnt Take Place In 164BC or 70AD

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Bad Guy Is Destroyed At The Second Coming, This Didnt Take Place In 164BC or 70AD

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

But all you did was just add Antiochus to other posts and say that this didn’t happen in the past and quoted some scriptures and add what you think that they mean. This doesn’t prove anything you just told me your interpretation of them which I disagree with.

I used to believe like you do and changed my view after much studying of other scriptures and history. I have considered and believed in other interpretations and my current view is the best conclusion after many years of studying.

What also added to my conclusion is the much deeper meaning and purpose of revelation. The end of the literal Old Testament age and the beginning of the New Testament age is a major event in the church age and I can’t see the bible not mentioning it if it was written after it actually happened.

Revelation is the fulfilment of the seven times over punishments on Israel in Leviticus 26