not worth a title

[marks]

Let us learn accurately how our natural world made us to function, and in unison with everything everything else nature made. That's what I meant by naturalistic. Not that we worship nature, because that's another belief based system.

OK. SO what I'm talking about is that we are created beings who have been corrupted from our original design, and our Creator will restore us, and to even better, if we want.

People are corrupted. Nature is corrupted. Are you saying we should try to harmonize with our corrupted world?

Much love!

 

[GaryAnderson]

Dubunk my opinion with a equally valid argument for your belief, that's all that matters.

Jesus was a historical person.
Historical Jesus - Wikipedia

What is your response to that?

 

[I.O.U]

You believed that you believed. Then you stopped believing.
I believe as a direct result of a supernatural encounter with God.
You don't believe that.
Early on, I got some wrong teaching that led me to believe I wasn't able to obtain a scriptural level for salvation. So I decided that if I was going to hell anyway, I may as well enjoy this life while I still could. The problem was that I still believed. Try as I might, I couldn't stop believing. It ruined my fun, that's for sure.
Anyway, to make a long story short, in early 1994, beaten by my cocaine addiction, I turned back to God. I sought Him out of sheer desperation for four months, and then I found Him. My heart has never turned away from Him since, even though I've had two I.V. drug relapses, and even ended up with a hooker one night. Of course He wasn't pleased, but when I sincerely asked Him to forgive me, He did.
The good news? After screwing up everything I was given by Him, I tried to kill myself. It's been 21 years since I last tried to end my life, and it's been 16 and 17 years since I touched a woman or a needle. In spite of myself, He is making progress with me. I'm not where I'm going, but I'm sure glad that I'm not where I was.

I can give you a perfectly fitting reason for why addict's quit their habit after surrending to Jesus. You won't like the reason one little bit. So I'll leave that for you to ask me or not.

 

[I.O.U]

Jesus was a historical person.
Historical Jesus - Wikipedia

What is your response to that?

So was Buddah, Mohammed, you know what I mean.

 

[marks]

Dubunk my opinion with a equally valid argument for your belief, that's all that matters.

I thought you didn't care for "belief systems". Did I misunderstand?

Much love!

 

[GaryAnderson]

So was Buddah, Mohammed, you know what I mean.

This means that belief systems arise from certain truths, not just pure belief without facts as you claim.

 

[marks]

I can give you a perfectly fitting reason for why addict's quit their habit after surrending to Jesus. You won't like the reason one little bit. So I'll leave that for you to ask me or not.

Try me.

Much love!

 

[Truman]

I can give you a perfectly fitting reason for why addict's quit their habit after surrending to Jesus. You won't like the reason one little bit. So I'll leave that for you to ask me or not.

The natural mind can reason until the end of time. Addict? According to the methadone clinic, I'm not an addict. Your, or my, reasoning is of no importance to me. I don't need to hear your opinion, I know what's up with me. It really doesn't, at this point, matter what anyone think, says, or does, I know what's up with me. So keep spinning you tires, going around in circles, or whatever it is you want to do. I've cared enough about you to tell you my story, so I'm done. I'm going to lay down. Shalom.

 

[I.O.U]

OK. SO what I'm talking about is that we are created beings who have been corrupted from our original design, and our Creator will restore us, and to even better, if we want.

People are corrupted. Nature is corrupted. Are you saying we should try to harmonize with our corrupted world?

Much love!

It's believing things that corrupted us, then we corrupted our natural habitat. It can be seen like that from a biblical point of view as well, that the fall of Adam and Eve is directly correlated to them absorbing knowledge of good and evil by believing what the serpent told them. Because Eve had no prior knowledge of what was good or evil when she encountered the serpent on the tree. So she was tempted by what kind of thinking before she made a choice to eat the fruit.

 

[Curtis]

Jesus came to give us a more abundant life, peace of mind and rest for our souls, and joy in the Holy Spirit - so He saves us from hell on earth now, and hell in the earth later, after we die.

 

[Curtis]

I honestly believe that it was God who initiated my investigation into this. There's no way I'd say this publicly if I wasn't confident of this. After awhile, you think, "what's one more stone going to do?" Ouch! Lol
I'd suggest that people ask God about it for themselves.

When God created man in His image, that can’t be our physical bodies, which are a temporary home we leave at physical death - therefore to be made in His image, means that God made us an eternal spirit, and put us in mortal flesh.

Spirits can’t be destroyed. They must spend eternity somewhere.

 

[Curtis]

If you or anyone here can bring themselves to put their own children in an oven because they disobey them, then please throw your hand(s) up now.

No one is a child of God until they’ve received Jesus, per John 1:12.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[marks]

It's believing things that corrupted us,

How do you figure? Do you believe that's true?

Much love!

 

[marks]

It can be seen like that from a biblical point of view as well, that the fall of Adam and Eve is directly correlated to them absorbing knowledge of good and evil by believing what the serpent told them. Because Eve had no prior knowledge of what was good or evil when she encountered the serpent on the tree. So she was tempted by what kind of thinking before she made a choice to eat the fruit.

Rather, Just as God said would happen, when Man ate from the tree, Man died.

There's nothing to do with beliefs, it's cause and effect.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you or anyone here can bring themselves to put their own children in an oven because they disobey them, then please throw your hand(s) up now.

Do you hug your dead and decayed loved ones close to your chest?

Much love!

 

[marks]

I choose not to believe.

And there is the bottom line.

You choose to disbelieve in God. And that is on you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I don't blame him for the judgement. The means of death is irrelevant.

It's just a wet clean up on aisle 8. Humanity is dead. All of it. That is, all of Adam's race.

Much love!

 

[Curtis]

That's kind of close, I guess.

I can break down society into two factions.

Faction 1: Player's
Faction 2: Spectators

We either play the game life has given us, or we can sit on the fence believing we know how to play the game better than the people who are actually out on the field's.

Spectators, eh?

Just who do you think runs all those food pantry’s, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, orphanages. free medical clinics, clothes closets, and all kinds of charities all over the world?

It’s definitely not atheists.

 

[Curtis]

Why is life painful?

Life is painful and is hell on earth because the fallen angel Lucifer is the god of this world, until Adams lease runs out, since he sub leased the world to Satan.

It’s no surprise that life is hell when the devils’ in charge of the entire non-Christian world.

 

[Curtis]

Yes, you can talk yourself into anything. Other people can also talk you into anything, and you can talk anyone into anything as well. But that's the power of belief itself. Because a belief doesn't require fact checking, or a lengthy examination of any evidence against what the person feels strongly about. That is where the seat of belief sits, as scientific investigation has identified "Belief's are dominated by the emotional side of the brain" So in regard to that, changing ones character with a belief based system, or a naturalistic system will have very different outcomes on the human mind.

That’s backwards.

Beliefs aren’t caused by emotions.

Belief causes emotion - belief your life is in danger causes the emotion of fear and releases adrenaline, as one example.

The fear doesn’t cause you to realize and believe you’re in danger, the belief you’re in danger causes the fear.