Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BarneyFife]

This post resonated with me very much.

Regardless of where people stand regarding this debate, I'd like to thank @BarnyFife and @Blood Bought 1953 for a great, thought-provoking conversation. I have enjoyed this thread very much and am grateful to have come across it. Bless you both!

It's the least I can do. You're welcome.

 

[amigo de christo]

I thought it was all excellent. Whether I like the "tangents" or not is of no consequence. I don't think it would serve any good purpose for me to point out what I believe are tangents. I think it would only cause you to get angry and defensive. If you want to try an exercise in constructive self-criticism, you might read the "Christianity 101" post and see if you can figure out what you left out of it that you normally talk so much about. It is generally better to focus on what unites us rather than what we vehemently disagree on, which is pretty much what you did in your "Christianity 101" post. Here it is for your convenience:

Just remember when unity neuters the correction that is so direly needed , there is a massive problem in that kind of unity and fellowship .
Its that pope francis all inclusive kind of unity of lets just get along and have unity for the sake of unity .
When unity for sake of unity becomes the idol , rest assured those folks will tank and drown in a sea of deception .
And i am seeing this kind of unity in all the denominations now. They are throwing sound doctrine and the original pattern
of correction to the way side for sake of LETS JUST HAVE US SOME UNITY .
Remember , mark those who cause divisions that are CONTRARY to ...................THE SOUND DOCTRINE YE HAVE LEARNED .
Mark and avoid . Not like todays unity which says MARK those who would correct , and call THEM dividers . Things are not
looking good nor boding very well for much of christendom .

 

[BarneyFife]

Pretty simple stuff.
What part do you not understand.
I am not directing it at you if that is the confusion.

We're all part of the discussion here, aren't we? You don't think "I win" is just a little inappropriate?

 

[Addy]

Not that the warning should never be given, but it is possible to overdo it, don't you think? I mean, if all that's being accomplished is to agitate and insult one another, shouldn't there be a pause or a change in approach? Agitation and insult won't benefit onlookers, either, will it?

One would think that as believers we would seek to find unity in at least trying to fellowship and encourage one another... but NOPE... Doesn't seem to happen does it?? CORRECTION always becomes the issue... That and sin.... I think that is what happens when you plunk a bunch of different doctrines in the same ring.

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem is, denying Him usually does not happen overnight, and it's usually a result of being faithless one time too many. So making the distinction between being faithless and denying Him is not necessarily that helpful. The emphasis should be on "abiding" where the glass is half-full instead of trying to gauge whether we've gone too far, looking at the glass as half-empty. Not that the warning should never be given, but it is possible to overdo it, don't you think? I mean, if all that's being accomplished is to agitate and insult one another, shouldn't there be a pause or a change in approach? Agitation and insult won't benefit onlookers, either, will it?

Deny HIM is as simple as what paul says it was . If we dont even support or take care of those in need , specially those of our own household ,
WE have DENIED THE , THE FAITH . Its time we return to bibles and very fast . Get that mindset , once again , engrained into minds
and into hearts . Keep the original pattern for all things , BY THE HOLY GHOST . This generation is in dire trouble .
Its coming to a light ITS THINK IS JESUS , its coming to a unity IT THINKS is of Christ . But when truth and doctrine gets set aside
for the sake of unity , rest assured this unity and this light cometh of darkness . Satan is prowling like a hungry man eating lion these days .
And his ministirs have long infected the mass of christendom . Let us be on gaurd and be only more diligent in our walk in the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

We're all part of the discussion here, aren't we? You don't think "I win" is just a little inappropriate?

I concur that grailhunter could have defintely worded that much better .
I dont count it a win when i correct or exhort others that refuse to hear , i see it as sad and as loss for thier sakes .
But i do take peace in that fact that at least , by grace , I DID point to the truth .

 

[BarneyFife]

Just remember when unity neuters the correction that is so direly needed , there is a massive problem in that kind of unity and fellowship .
Its that pope francis all inclusive kind of unity of lets just get along and have unity for the sake of unity .
When unity for sake of unity becomes the idol , rest assured those folks will tank and drown in a sea of deception .
And i am seeing this kind of unity in all the denominations now. They are throwing sound doctrine and the original pattern
of correction to the way side for sake of LETS JUST HAVE US SOME UNITY .
Remember , mark those who cause divisions that are CONTRARY to ...................THE SOUND DOCTRINE YE HAVE LEARNED .
Mark and avoid . Not like todays unity which says MARK those who would correct , and call THEM dividers . Things are not
looking good nor boding very well for much of christendom .

I'm not into ecumenism for ecumenism's sake, if that's what you're getting at. And there's a big difference between marking and avoiding, and agitating and insulting. I don't see much avoiding going on, at all. I don't remember calling anyone a divider, either.

 

[amigo de christo]

We know you're reading our posts, lol.
Anybody who's been in on line forums even just a little while knows people can't resist the temptation to peek at the posts of those they've put on ignore. I don't, now, because I put them on ignore for a good reason, not to punish and cancel them as if I'm special and they can no longer have the privilege of my attention. I put them on ignore because they dry the Spirit up inside of me when I try to have a rational, sensible discussion with them. That tells me something about them.

Yet even this is not ALWAYS the case my friend . Many , not accusing addy of this , are so fearful of reminders
that they cannot have peace lest they silence the reminders .
The thing is why does warnings , sound doctrine , reminders scare some so much .
I can sit and listen to praise all day and thanksgivings and the promises , so too can i sit and heed and listen to the warnings as well .
Our peace ought not leave us just because one preaches the goodness or severity of GOD .
Not unless something is going on in our life . And what i mean by that is , are we walking as we ought too .
I have noticed that often times when folks do not want to hear anything about the severity of GOD ,
that it is often very much because they are living lives contrary TO SOME SOUND DOCTRINE . ANd it causes fear .
Yet insteading of repenting they run to the false peace to find a rest , but it is a rest they will never truly attain to .
For every time one comes preaching the warnings that pertain to error and severity they will be as the troubled sea
which can find no rest . WHY is it that parts of the sound holy doctrine scare folks so . WHEN IN TRUTH , TO LIVE IT BY GRACE
is what giveth the PEACE that comes FROM GOD . FOR HE is with the lambs and does guide and steer our hearts .
A true lamb can find no rest while they are in error , but once repentance is made the peace returns .
But for many they can have no peace so long as correction and sound doctrine is being preached , LEST THEY FIND
others who agree with their view . I SEE This all the time . OH How often CHRIST would have gathered many souls
only many are not truly willing to come to the light and rest in that light , to walk as HE DID and to flee the desires of the flesh .
Many had rather have a concept that giveth them a false freedom , false hope , false peace . Which as i said
that peace cannot endure . FOR ANYTIME TRUTH , CORRECTION , REMINDERS are given they have fear and no rest .
YET the world as one can come against a lamb who stands upon the glorious truth of our LORD and HIS teachings , HIS PATTERN ,
and though all were against them , THEY STILL HAVE PEACE , FOR JESUS GIVES HIS PEACE and it aint like the world giveth .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not into ecumenism for ecumenism's sake, if that's what you're getting at. And there's a big difference between marking and avoiding, and agitating and insulting. I don't see much avoiding going on, at all. I don't remember calling anyone a divider, either.

You never called anyone a divider , this is true . You are not insulting either . But what ya said sounded way too Rick warren and the purpose
driven life , the beginning of the inclusive approach . WE must sound a wee bit more like paul .
Let us learn that pattern well . And do all that honors the glorious LORD and truly helps the other .

 

[BarneyFife]

And as I've said before, you probably were not a genuinely saved person in your youth. Look at your own words. You say you had been poorly taught. Obviously, the false gospel you say you were taught did not lead you to a genuine salvation experience. Can a false gospel do that? So, you did not fall away. You probably were never really saved to begin with.

This is atrocious, FB. I'm really disappointed by this. I'm sorry if this raises your ire, but I don't get the calling into question others' standing with God. It is exactly the kind of judgment Paul warned against. And I'm pretty sure it's squarely against forum rules. I hope you still consider me a friend. If I weren't, I would've just ignored this.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is atrocious, FB. I'm really disappointed by this. I'm sorry if this raises your ire, but I don't get the calling into question others' standing with God. It is exactly the kind of judgment Paul warned against. And I'm pretty sure it's squarely against forum rules. I hope you still consider me a friend. If I weren't, I would've just ignored this.

This is a simple reminder i give and not an accusation .
But even paul said , I stand in doubt of you , or IF so be YE have the SPIRIT . He said it to those who were loving that sin .
Look almost all folks probably think i follow all darkness and satan and many or at least some have even called me Son of perdtion
anti christ and believe me the list goes on with names . But i fear them not nor do the accusations trouble my soul .
My sorrow is for them , as my heart is for their good . But lets face it , In these days most would rather hear
Smooth things , money things , sin things , just give them that peace of feeling saved speeches .

 

[amigo de christo]

I guess i can sum it up real simple . Most had rather hear JESUS and the WORLD
not JESUS CRUCIFIED . Just give us JESUS and our wordly desires , let us FEEL saved as we walk in darkness .
That is a very scary place to be . I say scary , cause that is a DELUSION . JESUS is not and never will be the ministir of Sin .
EITHER we are HIS , Love the things HE taught , the apostels taught , or we are truly following another jesus , another god
that was created to our own desires . NOT the GOD who created all , but the god created by the imaginations of men .
And the author of that god can be found at the tree . the serpent . Let us all dig into our bible and begin afresh and anew today .
THE LORD cares for the lambs . So let us , BY THE SPIRIT have the same care for other lambs . Paul loved Christ and the lambs
and even HE said , though the more abundantely i love you the LESS i be loved . Cause paul , his love , came from GOD
and that kind of love WILL and DOES CORRECT any in error , FOR IT DESIRES the death of none .

 

[Addy]

Fearful of reminders... that is an interesting concept...

@amigo de christo ... Your posts are overflowing with constant reminders and corrections... it's exhausting to read it over and over again... YOU never seem to rest... and I guess that is your choice... but it gets to be a bit much in my opinion... I have stated before that proper correction within the church is indeed biblical... but what goes on in these forums is often FAR FROM biblical. I know you did not address your post to me.. you actually were kind enough to exclude me... however... I felt the need to address you... because it has been bothering me for a few days now... WE ( you and I are not ok ).. .which is fine because I don't even know you... but I am not able to tolerate or accept your style... therefore I have completely shut down on you. Sadly this is what happens often in the world of Christianity... there becomes a disconnect because of one being OVERBEARING.

As for stealing joy.... It is something that miserable people seem to like to do to those who are at peace and filled with JOY...
YES it is my responsibility to hold onto my JOY and not let others affect me... but when it comes day after day... like a tsunami from a great many... it becomes rather difficult to maintain.

You and I see our roles as Christians very very differently... I have seen people standing on the street corners... shouting out their warnings about the sinners going to hell... they think they are WARNING... but what they are doing is condemning.

Too many Christians are making other people's business their business and it is WRONG in my opinion.

Anyways... this was honest.

 

[Grailhunter]

We're all part of the discussion here, aren't we? You don't think "I win" is just a little inappropriate?

I don't mine you commenting it is just you acted confused.
You don't like the win thing. Duly Noted.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post #849

“ Saints “ are nothing more than Saved Sinners That Rest in Paul’s Gospel....

Wrong!

Saints are nothing but righteous people who don’t let sin be once named among them!

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.” (Ephesians 5:3-4)

 

[BarneyFife]

I don't mine you commenting it is just you acted confused.
You don't like the win thing. Duly Noted.

Not to belabor the point, but what I like or don't like really doesn't matter. If you think acknowledging a victory on your part is the best way to get through to those you're trying to reach then, by all means, continue. I just think much of what you say needs to be heard, so I express my concern with your approach only with that in mind.

 

[BarneyFife]

Post #849


Wrong!

Saints are nothing but righteous people who don’t let sin be once named among them!

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.” (Ephesians 5:3-4)

Not every verse that contains the word "saint" definitively defines "saint." Other verses depict saints merely as church members.

 

[BarneyFife]

only the “ Stiff - Necked” have trouble comprehending such simple, obvious verses....

How limber is your neck, BB?

I was happy to play a part in his exiting these Forums

Happy? It seems sad to me.

any verse that “ seems” to disprove Eternal Security is one of two things.....taken out of context or it is a verse not being delivered to “ The Body Of Christ”

Are you sure of that?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Not every verse that contains the word "saint" definitively defines "saint." Other verses depict saints merely as church members.

With all due respect, being a church “member” doesn’t make one a saint.

Kind regards my friend.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not to belabor the point, but what I like or don't like really doesn't matter. If you think acknowledging a victory on your part is the best way to get through to those you're trying to reach then, by all means, continue. I just think much of what you say needs to be heard, so I express my concern with your approach only with that in mind.

Like I said duly noted. When you are debating that is the sort of thing that happens. I am not collecting a prize. People have their opinions on things....this is an international forum and the only way you can guarantee not to offend someone, is not to make any comment. So you cannot take such things too seriously, other than to note it. So thanks for your input.