Amen.I totally agree. It certainly has been my mission in life. We must be born again of the Spirit; otherwise, we do not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
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Amen.I totally agree. It certainly has been my mission in life. We must be born again of the Spirit; otherwise, we do not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
it is proper to say that Mary is the mother of Jesus.Answering sentences in the order quoted above: According to the Scripture Mary is His mother. Matthew 1:16, 1:18, 1:25, 2:11, 2:13, 2:14, 2:20, 2:21 and onwards. Unless you would impute error to St. Matthew, St. Joseph, and St. Gabriel, the Prophet, and the angels, it is proper to say that Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Perhaps.
Define "after the flesh," people do not give birth to just bodies they give birth to individuals, now of course the Personhood of Christ is eternal but He assumed to Himself a human nature which was taken from the human nature of Mary in time. If this is what you mean then it still is proper to call her the Mother of God unless the deity of Christ is denied or Nestorianism or some other heresy is to be asserted (and Nestorianism means the Cross was of no effect and we are not saved ultimately, so I don't think you want to go there). If the Second Person of the Trinity is Incarnate then as St. Paul says He has a human mother, being "born of a woman."
The Deity is uncreated and Mary is created, so obviously she did not cause God to be if that is what you are railing against. Never was this asserted.
Repentance is not a decision. It is an act.Yes, repentance is turning away from former sins(which is a result of truly believing).
This is the qualifier for Acts 2:38 baptism.
A person should make a decision to depart from their worldly lifestyle and vices if they want to be baptized in the sacred name of Jesus Christ.
The Holy Ghost will help them too.
All I am saying is God cannot be separated from His word because it is God. The word of God is God.As I said. You make a mental leap from one to the other without any Scripture to support it. It may sound ok to the human mind, but it is not Scripture, nor does it sound right to the mind of the Spirit:
1. God said let there be light, and there was light and it was good.
No Scripture says God was what He said.
2. And God is Light and in him is no darkness at all. And Christ is that Light, the true light which lighteneth every man...
The light of Genesis 1 is natural light of the earth, the Light that God is, is that of the Spirit.
And the darkness is not that of nature, but of the carnal mind that does not comprehend, acknowledge the true Light of Christ.
And so, why are you trying to have God be His words in the world, which created all things?
The plain statement of 'God being His words', must include that which rules nature, as well as that which pierces to the hearts of men, which would thus make him the sun and moon and stars and trees, which are produced by His words ruling nature.
If God were His words of the Spirit, then when we speak His words of Scripture, we would be speaking God into the air.
And so, why is it so important in the contexts of Acts 2:38, and Pentecostal Oneness baptism?
That is not an answer.You are not responding to my points made, but only continuing down a line of a Catholic teaching by carnal questions.
Do you have a point.
Can a person commit the act without a decision to act first?Repentance is not a decision. It is an act.
There is confession of sin from the heart, but until there is the act of turning from sin, there is no repentance from dead works, without which we are not saved.
Baptism without the fruits of repentance (Luke 3:8) is as dead as faith without works (James 2:14).
In such a case, physical baptism nor more saves than empty faith.
All I am saying is God cannot be separated from His word because it is God. The word of God is God.All I am saying is God cannot be separated from His word because it is God. The word of God is God.
He is a speaking Spirit.
It is a tangible part of His being to us.
In an indirect way, it is relevant because per John 1, folks think there is a "God the son" nicknamed "the word", causing the idea in their minds of a "trinity", causing them to disobey Peter per Acts 2:38 and adopt the RCC version of the titles in baptism.
If a non presupposition person read John 1 for the 1st time without someone coaching him, he would read it this way....
1 In the beginning was the(SPOKEN) Word, and the(SPOKEN) Word was with God, and the(SPOKEN) Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....
14 And the(SPOKEN) Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Presupposition made it say this compliments of the RCC....
1 In the beginning was (JESUS), and (JESUS)was with God, and (JESUS) was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....
14 And (JESUS) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Wala,.... thus you remove the spoken Word meaning altogether and insert a second person of the trinity doctrine,... being made a microscopic cell(flesh).
The problem is simple to analyze, was Jesus made by the Word of God like everything that exists or did he make himself without external help?
I left the UPC in 1987. In spite of then being called out of there by God, I know that they think there is much more to our faith than water baptism. It was there that I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It was there I learned to read and appreciate the Bible for the first time in my life. It was there that received the gift of tongues from God back in 1976.Unlike what the UPC and the CoC churches seem to think, there is much more to the Christian Faith, and doctrines, than just water baptism.
it is proper to say that Mary is the mother of Jesus.
True. All the way to the cross, Scripture calls Mary 'his mother', until He gives her to John for mother.
After the cross, the risen God of Israel is known to us no more after the flesh (2 Cor 5:16), but is with God the Father in His throne and has many brethren (Rom 8:29), whether male or female, Jew or Greek.
No mother.
Define "after the flesh," people do not give birth to just bodies they give birth to individuals
After the flesh is the Scriptural term for natural birth in the world.
The God of Israel was not conceived naturally, but was born naturally of a woman.
She had nothing to do with Him being God in the flesh, and the Redeemer come out of Sion, other than to give birth to His natural body. She played a natural human role only, howbeit by faith.
Mary believed God before conceiving a boy by the Spirit, and after His resurrection she believed Jesus was the God of Israel come in the flesh.
proper to call her the Mother of God, unless the deity of Christ is denied
That is a humanistic leap of nonscriptural logic. Show the Scripture: 'Mother of God'.
By a capital M, She is made Deity, which I deny.
If Mary were the Mother of God, then she would also be the Mother of His body. Our Mother.
The only mother that the body of the risen Savior has is heavenly Jerusalem that is above (Gal 4:26). Not Mary.
God is our Father. Mary is not our Mother.
He has a human mother
He had a human mother.
He no longer has any mother at all, except them that hear and do the Word of God. They are His mother and sisters and brothers, called brethren that He is firstborn of. (Matthew 12) (Rom 8)
being "born of a woman."
God was in Christ (2 Cor 5:19) and come in the flesh made of a woman (Gal 4:4). The body of flesh was made of a woman, not God. And the woman that made him after the flesh was called His mother pertaining to the flesh only.
Mary had no role of mother of the Son of God pertaining to the Spirit, other than to be overshadowed by the Spirit, who is the One that conceived Jesus' body within her. She was the bearer and mother of the body of Jesus, not the bearer and mother of God.
Even as Isaac was born of promise of God after the Spirit (Gal 4:29), so was Jesus. This did not make Sarah the Mother of God's promise, nor Mary the Mother of God.
Neither Sarah nor Mary was given any title other than mother of a natural born child of promise. Sarah is not the Mother of Israel of God, nor is Mary the Mother of God.
railing against
I don't rail. I just give Scripture and my reasoning of it, and reserve the right to reject anything as heresy that has no Scripture for it. It's nothing personal.
But, thank you for your honest effort to go to the Scriptures for you understanding. Until you show plain Scripture saying so, it is flawed by human reasoning.
There is no 'true' repentance, but only repentance. To repent of sin and of dead works. To change accordingly by eschewing evil and doing good.
I was not baptized according to a 2:38 formula of exact words spoken. I am born of the Spirit, baptized with the Holy Ghost and speaking of tongues, and pray in the Holy Ghost daily to keep myself in His love and mind of the Spirit.
Going back to do it the '2:38 way' is unnecessary nor profitable.
Repentance for salvation has nothing to do with repenting from keeping the works of the law of Moses.What I mean by Acts 2:38 is its purpose of receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, without which keeping the law is by works and not from a new nature.
Let’s slow this down a minute. Do you think that the word was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God? Yes or no?All I am saying is God cannot be separated from His word because it is God. The word of God is God.
True. God was never, and now is never separated from the Word of God. However, the Word of God made flesh was separated from God on the cross, when the sins of the whole world were placed upon His soul.
He is a speaking Spirit.
That is why the Spirit of God is not a 'force' as some say. A force doesn't speak.
In an indirect way, it is relevant because per John 1, folks think there is a "God the son" nicknamed "the word"
No nickname, but called His name:
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (Rev 19)
causing the idea in their minds of a "trinity", causing them to disobey Peter per Acts 2:38
And so it is about Oneness and baptism by 2:38.
I know there is three Persons in the Godhead, and I have not disobeyed any Scripture on baptism.
The salvation by baptism with specific words spoken is based entirely upon the false doctrine of Oneness.
If a non presupposition person read John 1 for the 1st time without someone coaching him, he would read it this way....1 In the beginning was the(SPOKEN) Word, and the(SPOKEN) Word was with God, and the(SPOKEN) Word was God.
No they wouldn't. Any child would read:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same child would read:
And the Word was made flesh.
You're funny. You misquote Scripture by a presupposition of doctrine that must add to the Scripture.
Unfortunately, you do the same kind of manipulation of John 1:1 as do the JW's, that want to be rid of the Word was God.
You're not a cult like them that say Christ was created, but you are now acting like one pertaining to what is actually written and what is not.
And now I see why you try to believe God is His spoken words. I knew something was strange about it.
That is a Buddhist concept, not Scriptural teaching.
In the beginning was (JESUS), and (JESUS)was with God, and (JESUS) was God. thus you remove the spoken Word meaning altogether and insert a second person of the trinity doctrine,... being made a microscopic cell(flesh).
Not me. I have never heard of such a thing, until you wrote it.
The Word and God of Israel was called Jehovah, before He called Himself Jesus coming in the flesh.
It's always best to stick with Scripture, and not insert our presupposed ideas into it.
If you really want to paraphrase Scripture, it would be more accurate to say:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God called Jehovah...And the Word was made flesh and called Jesus.
And the name of Jesus is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow. Not at the name of Jehovah.
was Jesus made by the Word of God like everything that exists or did he make himself without external help?
That is carnal thinking, purposely making no sense, in order to reject a doctrine of Christ, that is presupposed to be rejected.
Jesus is not 'like everything else that exists', neither was He made of a woman like everything else born of man.
The God of Israel was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Ghost overshadowing her.
It was His prepared body for Him that was made in her womb by the Spirit. Mary did not make Him at all, neither did He make Himself, nor was He conceived in Her womb by Himself.
It was the work of the Spirit of God, commanded of the Father, to send Him into the womb of a woman:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law. (Gal 4)
The only making of Himself, that the God of Israel did, was to make Himself of no reputation in order to provide Himself a burnt offering for sin.
Jesus laid down His life, power, and authority as God and made Himself of no reputation to be conceived by the Spirit and made of a woman after the flesh.
The help was not 'external' but from within the Godhead.
True, the confession of faith in the Lord Jesus, by which we are saved, is accepted for baptism in the sight of men.Can a person commit the act without a decision to act first?
Question: who judges whether someone qualifies to be baptized via true repentance?
Answer: per Acts 8, a confession of one's faith per Phillip.
No, baptism DOTH NOW save us.True, the confession of faith in the Lord Jesus, by which we are saved, is accepted for baptism in the sight of men.
We are saved and walk by faith, not by sight. If an outward act were to save us, then we would be boasting before men.
Confession is the decision: agreement with God from the heart of sin. Forgiveness is with confession to God.
Forgiveness remains with repentance: not committing the sin.
Confession is the change of mind, and repentance is the change of life.
Baptism is the answer of a good conscience toward God by confession that Jesus is Lord. Baptism results from agreeing with the Lord Jesus by faith.
Baptism does not put away sins of the flesh, but we do so by repentance.
We believe and confess, and God forgives and saves. We go on in repentance of dead works, and are baptized in due time with opportunity.
If we die before opportunity of baptism, we are in the presence of the Lord.
Baptism is a figure of salvation, not the salvation. (1 Peter 3)
Noah was saved as by water, when the flood took all the wicked away, and so baptism is a like figure thereof.
The water that saves is the water of the Word, by which we are born and the soul is cleansed from all sin. (Eph 5)
Baptism is a figure of what has already occurred by the operation of God through faith, and so baptism is a figure of our death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. (Col 2)
Baptism therefore is not the salvation, no more than it is the death, burial, and resurrection of us in Christ Jesus.
Good questions.Let’s slow this down a minute. Do you think that the word was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God? Yes or no?
Also, was Jesus made or not?
Also, was Jesus made or not?Let’s slow this down a minute. Do you think that the word was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God? Yes or no?
Also, was Jesus made or not?
That would be more accurate, except that baptism in water is not necessary for baptism of the Holy Ghost, which therefore is not necessary for salvation:What I mean by Acts 2:38 is its purpose of receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, without which keeping the law is by works and not from a new nature.
No, baptism DOTH NOW save us.No, baptism DOTH NOW save us.
You said exactly the opposite.
It saves us by clearing our conscience.
How? Easy, because it includes remission of our sins.
Repentance, nor confession remits sins, though required as a prerequisite for baptism in the name of jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
Also, we don't bury folks that have already been saved.
That is being buried alive.
That is frightening.