Is the Word of God only found in scripture?

[theefaith]

You raise a good question, but I know you don't want to know the answer. Obviously, Little Birdy, your intent is to cast doubt on the reliability of the Bible. The assumption that lies below the surface of your question, like a shark ready to devour, is the idea that men decided which writings should be in our Bibles and which should be left out. If your beliefs were based on arguments, especially arguments you researched for yourself, you might argue that the traditions of men should be trusted because it was the traditions of men that decided which books to keep and which books to discard.

Ergo, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is based on the apriori decision to trust in the traditions of men. But even if this were so, which I don't believe, the salient question becomes, "whom do you trust?" From your perspective, given your position, it would be unwise for you to accept the traditions of those men whom you didn't know personally or to accept the word of men who were of ill repute. Before you believed the Catholic dogma, did you research the lives of the men who first articulated your beliefs?

By contrast, consider my position. The locus of my believes is centered on the Holy Bible I have in my possession, and the character of the men who wrote it is exemplary. As Peter said, by the time he wrote his second letter, we have all that we need to live a godly life and partake in the divine nature. In other words, the man whom you claim to be the first pope is the one who said that we need nothing else from him, let alone from pretenders who come thousands of years later.

You are wasting time. It's getting late.

the Bible only s only the Bible cos the church says so

the Bible is reliable but all of it not you’re 66 books with missing chapters

not the tradition of men or mere human tradition but the tradition or teaching of the apostles united to and exorcising the authority of Christ with the power of the HS Matt 16:18 Matt 28:19 Jn 10:16 and 16:13 and 8:32

 

[theefaith]

Where does the Bible say that one should keep mustard in the refrigerator? I think it is obvious that the apostles are no longer alive.

Jesus said, "lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” This remains true for all of his followers whether they have a Bible or not. Suppose a man, a follower of Jesus, became stranded on an island where ships or boats never land. And suppose he spends his entire life on the island, without a Bible, without a priest, but believing and trusting in God as he survives his ordeal. He survives knowing that his hope is built on that eternal promise, "lo, I am with you always."

Suppose an astronaut is on his way to Mars, and due to an accident, his ship veers off course and he is lost in space until his water and his food run out. His hope is built on that same eternal promise, "lo, I am with you always."

This promise has been the comfort and hope for all believers throughout time, those unjustly imprisoned, those stranded and lost to civilization, and those ministering to the lost in far away places -- separated from family and friends. Our God is a personal God, with whom we have a person-to-person relationship. Even if we were called to sit naked in a cell in prison, without clothing let alone without a Bible, we would continue to hear our master's voice tell us: "Don't give up. It's only temporary. Life awaits. Lo, I am with you always."

Why would you think Jesus meant to say, "I will give the church apostles always"?

What else can I say Little Birdy except to ask, does Jesus know you?

Only the apostles Matt 28:19
We are the nations that need to be taught also Lk 1:4

the USA was not a nation until 1800 yrs later, so teach ALL nations, which apostle taught the USA? Yes there will be apostles until Christ returns

 

[theefaith]

Because teh book of Daniel ends with Chapter 12!

According to the mere tradition of men!
With no authority

not according to God who in Christ is the divine authority to teach all nations Matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

Then none of your priests, bishops and cardinals do either, for they were not sent by the apostles.

it is an unbroken line all the way back to christ

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to the mere tradition of men!
With no authority

not according to God who in Christ is the divine authority to teach all nations Matt 28:19

Did you get this from God HImself or from men who said they got it from God.

it is an unbroken line all the way back to christ

You can believe that if you wish, but the reality is different. As for Popes even rome has admitted that the list of early pop-es called "The Donation of Constantine is a forgery. but nice try!

 

[theefaith]

Did you get this from God HImself or from men who said they got it from God.



You can believe that if you wish, but the reality is different. As for Popes even rome has admitted that the list of early pop-es called "The Donation of Constantine is a forgery. but nice try!

why reject Christ?

Matt 28:19-20 is good until his return
All nations
I am with you (the apostles) until the end
Jn 20:21-23 same power mission and authority as christ

 

[theefaith]

What is the first commandment?

what is Jn 1:1?

 

[CadyandZoe]

we may live in the power of the resurrection but we must conform to his passion and death until he returns

1 cor 11:26

Jn 12:32

gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Jesus is pictured on the cross, not me. Understand?

 

[CadyandZoe]

the Bible only s only the Bible cos the church says so

the Bible is reliable but all of it not you’re 66 books with missing chapters

not the tradition of men or mere human tradition but the tradition or teaching of the apostles united to and exorcising the authority of Christ with the power of the HS Matt 16:18 Matt 28:19 Jn 10:16 and 16:13 and 8:32

The Bible is the Bible because it truthfully speaks the will of God for mankind. In my view, there are no missing chapters.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Only the apostles Matt 28:19
We are the nations that need to be taught also Lk 1:4

the USA was not a nation until 1800 yrs later, so teach ALL nations, which apostle taught the USA? Yes there will be apostles until Christ returns

The New Testament contains the teaching of the apostles, which we read and obey.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is pictured on the cross, not me. Understand?

you said it was wrong to have crucifix and to show Christ crucified for our salvation!

but it is a means of repentance

 

[Addy]

I don't accept any dogma, Catholic or otherwise, because my beliefs aren't dogmatic beliefs. I wouldn't even say that I was a protestant, but only that I have an affinity with Protestantism in so far as the Protestant movement began with Luthor's appeal to scripture and plain reason. This is the basis for my own journey as a Bible student and disciple of Jesus Christ.

According to your tradition, Peter was the first pope and yet do you listen to Peter Little Birdy?

Absolutely and LOL at Little Birdy...
@theefaith ... HI.... I have cookies... Do you want one??

 

[theefaith]

The Bible is the Bible because it truthfully speaks the will of God for mankind. In my view, there are no missing chapters.

you’re view? You’re mere human tradition!

since when do the people get to decide what is truth or what is scripture

what about luthers choice he rejected James Jude and revelation! Is that ok

who has the authority of Jesus Christ?

only the apostolic authority can bind on earth and it will be bound in heaven! Matt 16:18. & 18:18

 

[theefaith]

The New Testament contains the teaching of the apostles, which we read and obey.

where does Christ or scripture say that scripture contains all the truths revealed by God thru Christ?

how do you even know what is and what is not scripture?

only by the tradition of men! What was the Bible before the KJV?

 

[theefaith]

Fundamentalism is faith without reason!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

why reject Christ?

Matt 28:19-20 is good until his return
All nations
I am with you (the apostles) until the end
Jn 20:21-23 same power mission and authority as christ

But the pastors and elders do not get to make new doctrine. We all have the same mission as Christ!

So you are saying Jesus is not with you?

 

[theefaith]

But the pastors and elders do not get to make new doctrine. We all have the same mission as Christ!

So you are saying Jesus is not with you?

right there is no new doctrine!

it is all revealed by Christ to his church Jude 1:3 even though it’s not defined by holy mother church for centuries.

example

mother of God not defined until the council of Ephesus 431 but is still part of the sacred deposit of faith Jude 1:3

 

[CadyandZoe]

where does Christ or scripture say that scripture contains all the truths revealed by God thru Christ?

I told you. Why didn't you believe me?

how do you even know what is and what is not scripture?

How do you know your traditions are true?

 

[CadyandZoe]

you’re view? You’re mere human tradition!

Unlike you, perhaps, I do not obey a tradition.

since when do the people get to decide what is truth or what is scripture

Have you never read 1 John chapter 2?

what about luthers choice he rejected James Jude and revelation! Is that ok

Those who follow Jesus, and respect, honor, and love God must be ready to reject any writing that purports to be scripture, which in fact, contradicts divine revelation. If Luther, after many hours of careful research and prayer, decided that the letter of James was not scripture, then he should not have that letter in his canon. Does Luther get to make that decision for me? No.

who has the authority of Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ, or have you never read Matthew 28:18, John 17:1-3, Ephesians 1:21, Colossians 2:10?
Why not begin to leave your authoritarian, antihuman masters and follow Jesus Christ?

only the apostolic authority can bind on earth and it will be bound in heaven! Matt 16:18. & 18:18

This is your mistake. Jesus did NOT give the apostles the authority to bind and loose. Rather, Jesus gave his apostles the ability to understand and convey what has already been bound and loosened.

Consider Matthew 16:13-20, wherein Jesus tells Peter that "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my father in heaven. In other words, Peter didn't invent a theology on his own; he gained his knowledge of the kingdom of God from the Father himself. In a similar way, Peter gained knowledge concerning what has already been bound in heaven, which guides his judgments and decisions on earth. Peter gained his knowledge concerning what has been released from heaven, which guides his judgments and decisions on earth.

In the book of Acts, chapter 10, Luke records one such situation, wherein the Father instructs Peter in the conditions making for Gentile salvation. Peter didn't dream up Gentile salvation on his own, and neither did he come to this idea through reason and good judgement. Peter obeyed the divine appointment to permit the Gentiles to enter the fellowship of believers without first converting to Judaism.

Peter helped bring about a new situation on earth, based on an apriori decision that had already been made in heaven. Bottom line: Peter was NOT acting on his own authority.

Consider Galatians chapters one and two, wherein Paul argues with Peter about a central tenet of the Gospel. In that situation, Peter was wrong and Paul was right. Eventually both came to an agreement, not because of their derived authority, but because what Paul said was true. In other words, our primary authority is the truth itself. The apostles rarely, if ever, appeal to their authority as an apostle. Rather, they appeal to the gospel message once delivered by Jesus Christ.

Why not become a follower of Jesus Christ?

 

[CadyandZoe]

you said it was wrong to have crucifix and to show Christ crucified for our salvation!

but it is a means of repentance

He is risen!