I'm appealing to all of you,

[Windmillcharge]

NONE of these denominations teach TRUTH.

No church is perfect, I would suggest attending the church that seeks to practice what it preaches and that most cloely seeks to teach the truth.
If the penticostles while being silly about tongues etc are closest go there, if the calivinist churches are closes go there.

Go and be judgemental about the church.
How welcomig were they?
How clear was the order of service?
hymns/sons, were they relevant to he sermon, were they an aid to worship or a distraction as they did there self worshipping performance?
Prayers, did they worship God or were they only an appeal to the sugar daddy for more and more?
the surmon, was it an explaination and application of a biblical passage to today. What did you find helpful, challengig or encouraging about it and what did you disagree with?
After the service, did people talk to yo, how willing was te preacher to talk with you?

finally write up your review and send it to the preacher and the minister with a request for his comments,

Do this with every church. Repeat with any church that is willing to discuss your comments/views etc and if willing to talk with you, think about attending.
They won't be perfect, but are open to listen and talk, you will be a blessing to them, as they will be to you.

 

[Addy]

No church is perfect, I would suggest attending the church that seeks to practice what it preaches and that most cloely seeks to teach the truth.
If the penticostles while being silly about tongues etc are closest go there, if the calivinist churches are closes go there.

Go and be judgemental about the church.
How welcomig were they?
How clear was the order of service?
hymns/sons, were they relevant to he sermon, were they an aid to worship or a distraction as they did there self worshipping performance?
Prayers, did they worship God or were they only an appeal to the sugar daddy for more and more?
the surmon, was it an explaination and application of a biblical passage to today. What did you find helpful, challengig or encouraging about it and what did you disagree with?
After the service, did people talk to yo, how willing was te preacher to talk with you?

finally write up your review and send it to the preacher and the minister with a request for his comments,

Do this with every church. Repeat with any church that is willing to discuss your comments/views etc and if willing to talk with you, think about attending.
They won't be perfect, but are open to listen and talk, you will be a blessing to them, as they will be to you.

I did not expect this kind of answer... I'm sorry... I do not see things as you have expressed... I will NOT simply attend a church for the sake of attending a church. There are no churches here that even remotely interest me. If I could find a small home meeting with like minded believers... then I would consider that... but sadly... there does not seem to be such a thing.

I believe the church of the future will include these small pockets of home meetings where people can REALLY get into the WORD... support and encourage each other... physically help each other... and attend to the needs of each other. THAT is what church is supposed to be and do.

What people are calling churches... are simply people gathering together to hear a man talk... and they sing together.

 

[NewMusic]

But tell me more about yourself... In particular your music that you composed...
How does one compose a symphony orchestra? Do u have to write the music for each instrument? Seems like a daunting task
If you could send me a link to a sample of your music that would be very much appreciated...

And finally back to Beethoven... Whats his best symphony... Or top 3 in your opinion...
The 6th is famous isn't it, the start of it is i think... Im listening to it now

I've always wanted to go to the orchestra live in a good concert hall like the Sydney opera house...
That must be truly spectacular to experience... Ahh one day

Anyway, get back to me

I'll answer your questions and write PM to you now.

 

[JohnPaul]

I knew when I registered on this site a few weeks ago that I would meet what I have. No surprise there. No insults meant, but you are all wise enough to know that excitement about God, His ways, His wisdom, how He hides things for us to discover, the seemingly contradictory things in His word, and you run into immaturity and fleshly excitement from saints at all turns and walks. No surprise. I understand.

When I joined, it was not to impress anybody with the revelations the Lord has given me. In fact, only one person from another country PM'ed me because he recognized it and we began to talk across the seas. But my main reason for registering here, as I have done at other sites, is to see if there are saints who can get past their own issues and start thinking about the mission the church has in these end days.

The body of Christ is supposed to be concerned about every member. If one member hurts, the whole body hurts. We should be praying for those in prison, as though in prison with them. Right?


I'm not going to explain all the details regarding the end days. It would be futile at this time.

But if any have ears, the saints are actually human beings, and we are the target of the NWO. We are going to be hunted down and eliminated. If you don't believe this, well, read another thread. But if you are at least semi-interested in helping the saints to endure, escape from their country or city, we should be building a very practical network which requires wise men and women and resources.

I have no hope in organized religious churches. None. But if you are above that, you see yourself as joined to Christ the Head, and all others who are born again (and hopefully filled with the Holy Spirit) are your spiritual brothers and sisters, see past yourself and your immediate locale, then give yourself to this idea of helping the saints. All people, always, everywhere, must be vetted. You cannot judge people simply by a few things you hear and your feelings. Even your best Christian friends must be tested. You think you know somebody for 30 years, but the relationship was never truly tested, and then under the right circumstances that person betrays you, stabs you in the back, does not stand up with you or for you like you had thought they would.... growing pains.

Mark 13:12 And brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death;
Mark 13:13 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

We only have a few years, and each month things get worse. Whatever you want to call those in power, they are ruthless, merciless, and think nothing of murdering and stealing. And the Lord Jesus and His people they wish to eliminate.

You cannot beat this thing thinking you are a spiritual Rambo. It takes a network of trusted people, and resources, and land beyond your own few acres of property. If you are not concerned about helping people to escape imprisonment and torture, read something else, cuz I'm not interested in being around such people. Jesus said, "When you see these things, flee!"

I'm glad you joined NewMusic, I haven't read the Bible in a long time, but have been trying to figure out when they will be forcing the number of the beast on people, even us believers, I thank you for your explanations and for opening my eyes about the buying and selling that's it's going on right now with bar codes and such, and I even think they fabricated this Corona virus to start the ball rolling the receiving of the number of the beast.

I hope you stay, I want to learn and like you I'm not interested in organized religion or churches, I was baptized Catholic, but go by no denomination except Christian, such corruption going on in Churches and their Priests and Reverends and Pastors, that falsely teach, in both Catholic, Protestant and Evangelical, I just let the spirit of Christ guide me, I stopped going to Church about 10 years ago, so much Idolatry going on in the Catholic Church, what flipped the switch for me was it was St. Anthony's day I believe, it was so long ago and the had his effigy laying down and people were lined up to kiss his feet while the Priest wiped them every time for the next person, and then I was sitting there and this was my church were I did my Communion, and I'm sitting there looking around and seeing all of these effigies of saints and I believe again I'm not certain now, it was decade ago, and the main effigy front and center of the Church was that of the Blessed Mother.

And I thought to myself, isn't Christ the main reason of worship and salvation and that to pray to him to the father, and only Jesus Christ?

Something in me went sour and I couldn't stomach going to Church anymore, for the only way to the father is through Christ.

Please Stay NewMusic, don't leave.

 

[NewMusic]

I'm glad you joined NewMusic, I haven't read the Bible in a long time, but have been trying to figure out when they will be forcing the number of the beast on people, even us believers, I thank you for your explanations and for opening my eyes about the buying and selling that's it's going on right now with bar codes and such, and I even think they fabricated this Corona virus to start the ball rolling the receiving of the number of the beast.

I hope you stay, I want to learn and like you I'm not interested in organized religion or churches, I was baptized Catholic, but go by no denomination except Christian, such corruption going on in Churches and their Priests and Reverends and Pastors, that falsely teach, in both Catholic, Protestant and Evangelical, I just let the spirit of Christ guide me, I stopped going to Church about 10 years ago, so much Idolatry going on in the Catholic Church, what flipped the switch for me was it was St. Anthony's day I believe, it was so long ago and the had his effigy laying down and people were lined up to kiss his feet while the Priest wiped them every time for the next person, and then I was sitting there and this was my church were I did my Communion, and I'm sitting there looking around and seeing all of these effigies of saints and I believe again I'm not certain now, it was decade ago, and the main effigy front and center of the Church was that of the Blessed Mother.

And I thought to myself, isn't Christ the main reason of worship and salvation and that to pray to him to the father, and only Jesus Christ?

Something in me went sour and I couldn't stomach going to Church anymore, for the only way to the father is through Christ.

Please Stay NewMusic, don't leave.

Thank you for those kind words, JohnPaul.

I too was raised Catholic, and 3 months after I got born again (just turning 18) the girl who led me to Christ asked me where I was going to church and I indignantly named the Catholic church my family has been going to for years. This girl, 2 years young than me, said "Wait here", and went into her house and came out with a manila envelope filled with Christian tracts and literature. She dumped the contents on her front porch and found a couple by a guy named "Keith Green" who was a well-known contemporary pianist and minister for Christ (who happened to die just 2 or 3 years later in a plane accident with his kids).

The tracts, a pair, were labeled "What's wrong with the Catholic church?". She had me read those sitting on her porch. And as I was reading, the writer wrote, "This is what the Catholics believe and practice compared to what the bible states". It was like a column with Catholic practices on the left side and the bible counterparts on the right.

As I was reading, I was thinking, "Yes, this is true. Yes, this is true, too. Yes, Yes", and as I was sitting there I knew immediately that I was finished with the Catholics for all these heresies I could acknowledge were true. I had been raised in Parochial school, and new all the Catholic dogma.

My attempting to get my parents and brother and sister to wake up and understand went unheeded for decades. My sister now has had some type of an awakening in Christ and the evil of the US government, and has been telling my dad (he's almost 92 now) the horrors the Catholics do (I mean truly horror - Satanic), and now my dad is kinda listening. But he's still not born again.

If you're not familiar with praying in tongues, and the other gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians chapter 12), I'd be glad to help you with this. God wants you to pray in tongues, which is a sign of having received the filling of the Spirit, which is different from being "born of the Spirit".

You want ALL that God has for you to do His will, and to walk in POWER. This is why Christ told the disciples to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the Holy Spirit. He did not want them attempting ministry without the power of the Holy Spirit. And what's interesting is that He breathed on them at that very talking, and told them to "Receive the Spirit", which they did. But it was different from what was coming weeks later at the day of Pentecost (Acts ch.2).

Quickly:


John 20:19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
John 20:20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
John 20:21 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you."
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

Luke's gospel gives us a report of that same meeting (in the upper room where Jesus just instantly showed up, while they were in a room with locked door), and we get this:

Luke 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Luke 24:50 Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them.
Luke 24:51 While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven.

And of course, you know that on the day of Pentecost (some days or weeks later), the Holy Spirit descended on them and they began speaking in tongues...etc.

So TWO different events:

1) Getting born of the Spirit
2) Getting baptized (or filled) with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Taken]

My Testimony...By my own FREEWILL, heard, learned, studied, Gods Word, and Heartfully Accepted Gods Offering, according to His Way, to Once and Forever Be MADE, and KEPT,
By His Power, "WITH" Him "FOREVER".

My two cents...my go to Warnings, Awareness, Consideration...in all secular things.

WARNINGS...BEWARE

Matt.7[15] Beware of false prophets...
Matt.10[17] ...beware of men...
Mark.8 [15] ...beware the leaven (bread) of the Pharisees, (clerics) and of the leaven (bread, ie handouts) of Herod. (governments)
Mark.12 [38] Beware of the scribes...(writers, reporters).
Luke.12 [15] ...beware of covetousness: (desires to have other mens possessions) for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Luke.20 [46] Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; (pseudo trust, because of where a man sits)
Acts.13 [40] Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; (results for where you place your trust).
Phil.3 [2] Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. (Cutting off).
Col.2 [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (Separating small children from parents using philosophies to instill secular beliefs, and rewarding them for going along.)
2Pet.3 [17] ... beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.


* LESS you FALL AWAY? FROM? "Your OWN steadfastness"?
* Folks....^^^^ THAT IS A HUGE WARNING!

FALLING AWAY...requires one to HAVE a steadfastness to "fall AWAY FROM" !!!

* The cunningness
Infants, toddlers, little children....HAVE WHAT "steadfastness"...IN Christ Jesus??...BEFORE they are separated from parents, 8-10 hours during their awake daytime, subject to being filled with Worldly PSYCHOBABBLE (and rewarded for acceptance of the psychobabble)
???

* and the parents ? Full well KNOWING the crux of the psychobabble?
* No!
* The parents...SEE...the reports, stickers, trophies, rewards.... ... glow with Pride... and ADD more rewards, gifts, priviledges, accolades, etc.

AND?
5-10-15- 20+ years LATER in observance of their Child...a Parent, "IN CHRIST".... IS befuddled and says...
"WHAT HAPPENED"... to my child, "I didn't raise them to Think, Believe, Behave, DO as THEY DO"....
* "CORRECT"...YOU DIDN'T, raise them...YOU rewarded them, for being Raised, IN, BY, OF a CORRUPT world, OF psychobabble nonsense..
* (And not to overlook...the PRIDE, of sending a child off to University...where Psychology 101 is every students introduction, of HOW THEY can Learn the Tricks of the Trade, to USE in a Secular Corrupt World.)

It IS a "successful" SNOWBALL effect.
When "parents" delight in the WORLD "raising' their children...be not distraught, at the Results.


One WAY, to FOREVER LASTING Truth, INNER peace and harmony...
"IN" Christ the Lord Jesus..period!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stumpmaster]

Yet it is the physical assemblies ( churches ) tha collect resources, provide support for and help publicise the work of Christiancharities, organise local charity work and provide training and testing of young Christians with a desire to serve God.

No problem, I know from my years of service that as well as the lazy advantage-takers there are genuinely needy folk who benefit, but I don't believe good works and Christian discipling are the exclusive domain of any denomination. They can equally be a cloak for much evil and the by product of demonic cultish abominations.

 

[Taken]

NewMusic -

Interesting testimony, of your friend two years your junior.

I have heard testimonies of others, "raised" Catholic...schools...having the Inclusion of "religious dogma"...being "different" than Public...schools..."without the religious dogma"....

But BOTH...(Catholic and Public schools)...
* USE "psychological warfare" on young minds...
* Go along...reward...Reject...punishment.

AND THEN...considering...YEARS of "going along"... WITHOUT "Verifying"...

AND THEN WHAT?
...Personal Observation...(my opinion).
* 24-7 Worldly Propaganda...BE PROUD!
(Pride, Pride, Pride...stick with what the World has taught you...it's your mainstay PRIDE).
* people "saving face", "embarrassed to admit they were "duped"...FOR DECADES.
(PRIDE preserved!)
* people "saving face", "avoid being embarrassed"...BY SIMPLY claiming utter "DISBELIEF".
(PRIDE preserved!)

HOAX!

 

[charity]

Perhaps the issue is TRUST.... I don't believe churches are meant to be BIG...Bigger is never better... I live in a city of only 55,000 people... Where would you suggest I attend?? The Catholic church?? The Calvinist churches?? The pentecostal church?? Perhaps the United Church who has a gay married minister?? NONE of these denominations teach TRUTH.

Hello @Addy,

By the time Paul wrote his last letter, to Timothy, he was talking in singular terms, and not corporately. It had come down to personal faithfulness to the word received: for all in Asia had deserted Paul, and presumably His message. Timothy in Ephesus, was surrounded by dispute and argument and urged by Paul to show himself as one approved unto God: by rightly dividing the word of truth; and shunning all attempts to be drawn into vain disputations.

We can only be true to the word that we have received, and if we find no assembly preaching that truth, then we must remain faithful, even if that does mean isolation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Addy]

Hello @Addy,

By the time Paul wrote his last letter, to Timothy, he was talking in singular terms, and not corporately. It had come down to personal faithfulness to the word receive:, for all in Asia had deserted Paul, and presumably His message. Timothy in Ephesus, was surrounded by dispute and argument and urged by Paul to show himself as one approved unto God, by rightly dividing the word of truth, and shunning all attempts to be drawn into vain disputations.

We can only be true to the word that we have received, and if we find no assembly preaching that truth, then we must remain faithful,even if that means isolation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you Chris.... the voice of reason.

 

[JohnPaul]

Thank you for those kind words, JohnPaul.

I too was raised Catholic, and 3 months after I got born again (just turning 18) the girl who led me to Christ asked me where I was going to church and I indignantly named the Catholic church my family has been going to for years. This girl, 2 years young than me, said "Wait here", and went into her house and came out with a manila envelope filled with Christian tracts and literature. She dumped the contents on her front porch and found a couple by a guy named "Keith Green" who was a well-known contemporary pianist and minister for Christ (who happened to die just 2 or 3 years later in a plane accident with his kids).

The tracts, a pair, were labeled "What's wrong with the Catholic church?". She had me read those sitting on her porch. And as I was reading, the writer wrote, "This is what the Catholics believe and practice compared to what the bible states". It was like a column with Catholic practices on the left side and the bible counterparts on the right.

As I was reading, I was thinking, "Yes, this is true. Yes, this is true, too. Yes, Yes", and as I was sitting there I knew immediately that I was finished with the Catholics for all these heresies I could acknowledge were true. I had been raised in Parochial school, and new all the Catholic dogma.

My attempting to get my parents and brother and sister to wake up and understand went unheeded for decades. My sister now has had some type of an awakening in Christ and the evil of the US government, and has been telling my dad (he's almost 92 now) the horrors the Catholics do (I mean truly horror - Satanic), and now my dad is kinda listening. But he's still not born again.

If you're not familiar with praying in tongues, and the other gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians chapter 12), I'd be glad to help you with this. God wants you to pray in tongues, which is a sign of having received the filling of the Spirit, which is different from being "born of the Spirit".

You want ALL that God has for you to do His will, and to walk in POWER. This is why Christ told the disciples to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the Holy Spirit. He did not want them attempting ministry without the power of the Holy Spirit. And what's interesting is that He breathed on them at that very talking, and told them to "Receive the Spirit", which they did. But it was different from what was coming weeks later at the day of Pentecost (Acts ch.2).

Quickly:


John 20:19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
John 20:20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
John 20:21 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you."
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

Luke's gospel gives us a report of that same meeting (in the upper room where Jesus just instantly showed up, while they were in a room with locked door), and we get this:

Luke 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Luke 24:50 Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them.
Luke 24:51 While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven.

And of course, you know that on the day of Pentecost (some days or weeks later), the Holy Spirit descended on them and they began speaking in tongues...etc.

So TWO different events:

1) Getting born of the Spirit
2) Getting baptized (or filled) with the Holy Spirit.

To me speaking in tongues is when someone is possessed. I don’t believe people who believe in Christ speak in tongues.

 

[NewMusic]

To me speaking in tongues is when someone is possessed. I don’t believe people who believe in Christ speak in tongues.

So you think all that teaching and exposition in the new testament from the Apostles, and Jesus saying His followers would speak in tongues.... is demonic?

Just because you do not understand something, is no reason to speak bad about what is clearly written in the bible.

I offered to help you. I can.

 

[NewMusic]

Strange how you reject the pattern of worship found through ou the bible, that of community.

I wonder why people do this and often talk of discipline, yet reject the discipline of the local church, saying they are not spiritual etc etc

May I suggest you reread Pauls letters and see how he had to cope with false teachers, and all manner of difficult issues involving people.

I do not reject community. Where did you get this from???

 

[Addy]

To me speaking in tongues is when someone is possessed.

How many possessed people have you met??
Speaking in tongues is a biblical gift that has turned into a FREAK show in many Christian circles. ( In my opinion ).
It is a misunderstood gift... but NOT one that indicates being spirit filled... That is a myth.

 

[charity]

@Taken said:-
* LESS you FALL AWAY? FROM? "Your OWN steadfastness"?
* Folks ... THAT IS A HUGE WARNING!

FALLING AWAY...requires one to HAVE a steadfastness to "fall AWAY FROM" !!!

* The cunningness
Infants, toddlers, little children....HAVE WHAT "steadfastness"...IN Christ Jesus??...BEFORE they are separated from parents, 8-10 hours during their awake daytime, subject to being filled with Worldly PSYCHOBABBLE (and rewarded for acceptance of the psychobabble)
???

* and the parents ? Full well KNOWING the crux of the psychobabble?
* No!
* The parents...SEE...the reports, stickers, trophies, rewards.... ... glow with Pride... and ADD more rewards, gifts, priviledges, accolades, etc.

AND?
5-10-15- 20+ years LATER in observance of their Child...a Parent, "IN CHRIST".... IS befuddled and says...
"WHAT HAPPENED"... to my child, "I didn't raise them to Think, Believe, Behave, DO as THEY DO"....
* "CORRECT"...YOU DIDN'T, raise them...YOU rewarded them, for being Raised, IN, BY, OF a CORRUPT world, OF psychobabble nonsense..
* (And not to overlook...the PRIDE, of sending a child off to University...where Psychology 101 is every students introduction, of HOW THEY can Learn the Tricks of the Trade, to USE in a Secular Corrupt World.)

It IS a "successful" SNOWBALL effect.
When "parents" delight in the WORLD "raising' their children...be not distraught, at the Results.

Hello @Taken,

Yes, I agree that this warning is very much needed. The role of the parent is underrated, when it is the most important role anyone can possible have. To bring up a child in the way that he/she should go. Children are handed over to teachers who are duty bound to teach to a curriculum, over which the parent has no influence. That is frightening.

Home and family are vital constituents in the order of God, and it's importance should not be undervalued. The role of husband, wife, father and Mother, Grandparent and even Aunts, Uncles and cousins, should be considered and used to cement and solidify the soundness of the established order of family life and it's influence within society.

We do need to wake-up, take stock and re-evaluate our lives and the part we play in passing on the truths of God 'in Christ Jesus' within the home, to our loved ones, that faith may be engendered, blossom and grow. We must not delegate that important role to such as Pastors and Teachers, for it is a life lived in joyful awareness of the love of God in Christ Jesus which is the most attractive and powerful witness we can possible have.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[NewMusic]

How many possessed people have you met??
Speaking in tongues is a biblical gift that has turned into a FREAK show in many Christian circles. ( In my opinion ).
It is a misunderstood gift... but NOT one that indicates being spirit filled... That is a myth.

This has been debated for ages, and I might agree with you, except the evidence in scripture seems pretty strong that every time some saints were acknowledged to have received the Holy Spirit, they were speaking in tongues. And the apostles and everybody could acknowledge that they had received it, HOW? because they saw and heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God.

I could argue more, but instead, I'll leave this post on this note:

1 Cor 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

Paul wanted everybody to have that gift, and also claimed of himself:

1 Cor 14:18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.


I agree that what the immature believers have done, and the evil of institutionalized charismatics have done, and other groups, is oftentimes a circus. Bad. I agree with you.

For everybody else reading this now, 1 Corinthians 14 is about CONTEXT. Not content.

In a gathering of people, tongues should not be used (without an interpreter) because nobody knows what you are babbling.

So in the assembly, don't pray in tongues.

But tongues is a wonderful, wonderful thing that Jesus WANTS you to have, and you will not understand it until you take the step of faith.

1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

 

[Addy]

I have NO desire to speak in tongues... and I am a spirit filled believer.
I have a desire for wisdom and pray often for it. But that's just me.
To state that every believer is supposed to have this gift... is a mis-truth in my opinion.

 

[charity]

I have NO desire to speak in tongues... and I am a spirit filled believer.
I have a desire for wisdom and pray often for it. But that's just me.
To state that every believer is supposed to have this gift... is a mis-truth in my opinion.

Hello @Addy,

Yes, it was for, 'the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him' (the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ) that Paul prayed for first: for the readers of his epistle to the Ephesians, in Ephesians 1:17+; and in both that prayer and the one that followed in Ephesians 3:14+, there is no mention of spiritual gifts.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[NewMusic]

May I ask, humbly, that if everybody wishes to discuss Tongues and the other gifts, let's start a new thread?

Leave this thread for those who might be interested in working to help others in the End Days.

 

[Josho]

I have NO desire to speak in tongues... and I am a spirit filled believer.
I have a desire for wisdom and pray often for it. But that's just me.
To state that every believer is supposed to have this gift... is a mis-truth in my opinion.

But but you must, just kidding, just kidding