what happened to the Bible alone?
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Luke 1:28
Wycliffe Bible
28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
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what happened to the Bible alone?
protestant version
Luke 1:28
Wycliffe Bible
28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
What is the original Greek texts of that verse? The best way to settle that is to go to the original Greek texts, not translations.
Tong
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Bible alone not Greek texts I can’t read Greek Hebrew Latin or most anything but english
Eternally Grateful
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then you’re doctrine of the “Bible alone”
Is flawed! Ain’t it!
that’s why we have a church to propose faith and morals matt 28:19 teach
Lk 1:4 must be instructed
Acts 8 eunuch had scripture but God sent an apostle to teach
Btw how did the eunuch know about baptism of the apostles taught faith alone?
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there is a difference between the “tradition of men” no authority from Christ and the apostolic authority!
Do you believe the KJV?
Eternally Grateful
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then you must deny and reject Christ
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
The teaching of Peter and the apostles and successors is the teaching of Christ!
Successors of Jesus Christ!
Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18
Same mission, power, and authority Jn 20:21-23
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples
Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
There can be no unity of the spirit without obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3
Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)
The papacy based on Matt 16:18 and Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Isa 22:21-22
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19
(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4
Eternally Grateful
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We been here before bud
Your pope Denys christ not me.
Good luck following men. Gd will not allow you to use that as an excuse when you get to heaven
I have my doubts about smiling Francis but not about Christ And the papacy in the holy church he founded on Peter matt 16:18-19
Matt 23 the successors of Moses why do these men have authority and must be obeyed but not peter and the apostles and thier succsessors? Same authority
Taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 18:18
Christ says the must be obeyed!
God always establishes peace and order in obedience to hierarchical authority in men
Taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 18:18
Christ says the must be obeyed!
God always establishes peace and order in obedience to hierarchical authority in men
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Remember, the high priest that killed christ was a successor of Aaron and Moses.
People are flawed.
Again, You trust men.
I will trust God. Externality is to long to get it wrong.
salvation is only possible in the new covenant church founded by Christ Matt 16:18-19 1 pet 3:20-21 the church is the ark of salvation entered by baptism
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
Noah’s ark was a type of the church and no one outside the ark lived so no one outside the church’s has eternal life
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
Noah’s ark was a type of the church and no one outside the ark lived so no one outside the church’s has eternal life
You take reference to Moses and the Levitical order.
May I ask some questions.
1. why is it that the high priest needs successors?
2. What authority does the levitical priesthood have under the Mosaic covenant?
3. What happened to Israel under the levitical order?
4. What had happened to the levitical priesthood?
5. What happened to the authority of Moses when Jesus came and became the mediator of a new covenant?
6. What authority did Jesus gave the chosen apostles?
7. Did Jesus gave commandment to the apostles about succession? What commandment did Jesus give them?
Looking forward to your answers.
Tong
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That’s strange. Why doubt your Pope? Why doubt him whom the RCC cardinals and bishops elected as your Pope, which you say was done with a great amount of prayer to God and guidance of the Holy Spirit? Where is your doubt coming from? Are you the only one who has doubts like you have?
Tong
R4696
Salvation is of God, by God, by grace, through faith in God and in Him whom He sent (Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior), and in the gospel that the apostles preached.
Tong
R4697
Yes of course.@Tong2020 Ephesians 2 is a great chapter!
Amazing grace is all over and in the gospel that the apostles preached written and recorded in scriptures.
Tong
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