Sin & Death

[Duckybill]

Rom 6:10 Jesus died once (1) to sin once...truth presides over error. 2 Cor 5:21 Rom 8:3 Gal 4:4 Heb 2:14

The teaching is getting louder, so loud the errorists ears are hurting.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (ESV)
[sup]13 [/sup]For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. [sup]14 [/sup]And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. [sup]15 [/sup]So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

 

[Alethos]

Dont be shocked...there’s no need!

Some here are shocked at the idea of Christ being under the dominion of death in any sense or way.

Firstly you might ask why? What is offending them? This response in itself should alarm you to enquire further into the Word.

Are you shocked also at what Paul says

"Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God".

You will find those who hold error will even speak out against this teaching openly and with aggression. They will not hear truth, even if it is clearly read before them; they pursue error at all costs to themselves and their salvation.

This is likened to the spiritual pride of the Pharisees who lock up the keys of knowledge and took away the real truth as is found in God’s Law.

God declares to you that “death” once had dominion over Jesus. This understanding removes the idea of Jesus being God, for how can God have death reign over him!

No need to be shocked as this spiritual understanding is something to admire and bow down and worshipped through Jesus who is the banner of God’s love how in himself upheld God’s dignity on earth.

God is love and He chose to make His son a foundation upon which He stands, this is well pleasing to the Father...

"If ye offer the lame and the sick is it not evil? Offer it now unto thy governor: will he be pleased with thee or accept thy person? saith the Lord of Hosts." "Cursed be the deceiver that hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and offereth unto the Lord a corrupt thing; for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen."

We all must honour God and this is how we approach Him...for He states "A son (Jesus) honoureth his father and a servant his master. If then I be a Father, where is mine honour? If I be a master, where is my fear?"

Yahweh is great, He is Holy, and very Wise, the Omnipotent and yet we find ourselves looking Him holding a little sinful weakened creature (me and you) in His hand who is nothing but flesh and blood, He could in a second destroy us and have nothing to do with our lives. What makes Him so merciful and kind with gracious actions and words who has long suffered with our sins, that He would ask us to approach Him without impressing on us His righteousness and stating His greatness upon us. Could I stand in His throne room? Could I walk upon His heavenly pavement? Could I come to Him with any honour or integrity?

Nah!

It is only in the Lord Jesus Christ crucified that you and I are invited into His presence.

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself", but first He must need condemn sin in a representative man, yes fellow believer Jesus is “son of man” the one who represented mankind in his body.

In symbol and type the whole human race was crucified in His son upon that cross that one day death will be swallowed up and all the earth will dwell in Glory Num 14:21 Hab 2:14.

The Master crucified, is a man laid down, he was killed so that God is highly exalted and glorified on Earth as He is in Heaven.



We are yet to see His Glory but its coming...

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

Dont be shocked...there’s no need! Some here are shocked at the idea of Christ being under the dominion of death in any sense or way.

Only sinners are "under the dominion of death". Again you imply Jesus was a sinner.

 

[Alethos]

Dont be shocked...there’s no need!

Some here are shocked at the idea of Christ being under the dominion of death in any sense or way.

Firstly you might ask why? What is offending them? This response in itself should alarm you to enquire further into the Word.

Are you shocked also at what Paul says

"Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God".

You will find those who hold error will even speak out against this teaching openly and with aggression. They will not hear truth, even if it is clearly read before them; they pursue error at all costs to themselves and their salvation.

This is likened to the spiritual pride of the Pharisees who lock up the keys of knowledge and took away the real truth as is found in God’s Law.

God declares to you that “death” once had dominion over Jesus. This understanding removes the idea of Jesus being God, for how can God have death reign over him!

No need to be shocked as this spiritual understanding is something to admire and bow down and worshipped through Jesus who is the banner of God’s love how in himself upheld God’s dignity on earth.

God is love and He chose to make His son a foundation upon which He stands, this is well pleasing to the Father...

"If ye offer the lame and the sick is it not evil? Offer it now unto thy governor: will he be pleased with thee or accept thy person? saith the Lord of Hosts." "Cursed be the deceiver that hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and offereth unto the Lord a corrupt thing; for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen."

We all must honour God and this is how we approach Him...for He states "A son (Jesus) honoureth his father and a servant his master. If then I be a Father, where is mine honour? If I be a master, where is my fear?"

Yahweh is great, He is Holy, and very Wise, the Omnipotent and yet we find ourselves looking Him holding a little sinful weakened creature (me and you) in His hand who is nothing but flesh and blood, He could in a second destroy us and have nothing to do with our lives. What makes Him so merciful and kind with gracious actions and words who has long suffered with our sins, that He would ask us to approach Him without impressing on us His righteousness and stating His greatness upon us. Could I stand in His throne room? Could I walk upon His heavenly pavement? Could I come to Him with any honour or integrity?

Nah!

It is only in the Lord Jesus Christ crucified that you and I are invited into His presence.

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself", but first He must need condemn sin in a representative man, yes fellow believer Jesus is “son of man” the one who represented mankind in his body.

In symbol and type the whole human race was crucified in His son upon that cross that one day death will be swallowed up and all the earth will dwell in Glory Num 14:21 Hab 2:14.

The Master crucified, is a man laid down, he was killed so that God is highly exalted and glorified on Earth as He is in Heaven.

We are yet to see His Glory but its coming...

Alethos

Many will deny the Scriptures in the last days

"Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God" Rom 6:10

Christ was raised from the dead? YES
Christ was under the dominion of death? YES
Christ died? YES
CHRIST died to sin once? YES
He now lives for God? YES

If you dissagree with this you are also under condemnation of being the antichrist!

Alethos

 

[Alethos]

Rom 6:10,11

We know Jesus had the same sinful nature as all mankind (Rom 8:3), however he never committed sin in the flesh, what we mean by that is he never did any sin of his own volition in his own body. But his flesh was still an offense to God and needed removing both from His son and from the world.

This act was done once for all or as the AV simply, "once" however the (Greek = ephapax) means literally, "once for all"!!!! Once was all that was required for all those who had gone before him and all those beyond his ascension. Jesus is the High Priest who on the Day of Atonement offered up every year two sacrifices, one for himself and one for the people he represented.

Have you heard in the Scripture where it states he made a sacrifice ONE for himself?

See Heb 7:27

This offering was both for himself and for all mankind, being there representative.

"And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Heb 10:10 also compare Heb 9:12,26).

Amazing contrast with “died to sin”!!! Jesus gained the victory over the power (devil) Sin in his resurrection, 'by the glory of the Father",

Christ now lives eternally (no prior existence) in the service of his Father "as a priest FOREVER after the order of Melchizedek" (Heb 7:21-24).

Thats right Jesus is one of Gods priests..but not God.

As a side note the term “in Christ Jesus” who is our the "head" (Col 1:18), he has now been “made” the mediator by which we live to God

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me" (Gal 2:20; compare with Phi 1:11).

I know...He is the Son of God

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

Many will deny the Scriptures in the last days

True indeed, by calling Jesus sinful.

"Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God" Rom 6:10

Nothing had dominion over Jesus, except the Father.

Christ was raised from the dead? YES

Yes, He raised Himself up from the dead because He is God.

John 10:17-18 (ESV)
[sup]17 [/sup]For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. [sup]18 [/sup]No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.

Christ was under the dominion of death? YES

A damnable Satanic lie. Jesus was not a sinner!!!!!!!

Romans 6:23 (ESV)
[sup]23 [/sup]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Christ died? YES

Yes indeed!

He now lives for God? YES

He is God, as you clearly stated.

Jeremiah 17:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]“I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

If you dissagree with this you are also under condemnation of being the antichrist!

You're the one calling Jesus sinful, not me.

We know Jesus had the same sinful nature as all mankind

You will regret for all eternity that statement.

 

[Alethos]

True indeed, by calling Jesus sinful.

Nothing had dominion over Jesus, except the Father.

Please explain "Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God". Rom 6:10,11

I am looking forward to how you approach this? I am sure others who share your beliefs are also fascinated in how you will explain your above comments with this verse.

Will you place up something totally unrelated to Rom 6 or will you explain it away and dismiss it altogether, I doubt you will say nothing at all.

Either way we await with anticipation.

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

Please explain "Christ being raised from the dead, dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he (Jesus) died unto sin once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God". Rom 6:10,11

I am looking forward to how you approach this? I am sure others who share your beliefs are also fascinated in how you will explain your above comments with this verse.

Will you place up something totally unrelated to Rom 6 or will you explain it away and dismiss it altogether, I doubt you will say nothing at all.

Either way we await with anticipation.

Already answered, but here you go again.

John 10:18 (ESV)
[sup]18 [/sup]No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.

 

[Alethos]

No Ducky speak to Rom 6:10,11

What does it mean?

 

[Duckybill]

No Ducky speak to Rom 6:10,11

What does it mean?

It sure doesn't mean Jesus was sinful as you believe!!!!!!!

 

[Alethos]

It sure doesn't mean Jesus was sinful as you believe!!!!!!!

Why is it Ducky you tell people they are wrong all the time and every day in your posts, but never provide an interpretation or explanation of what you actually believe???? Your posts suggest you have made up your mind so quickly without thought or meditation, everything in your mind is done and finished.

I don’t know if you know this about yourself? Do you see this Ducky?

I cannot recall you once giving an understanding even when the opportunity is provided and opened for you?

Here you are so very quick to push your beliefs dismissing the verses like they are nothing and have no purpose to you.

I would go so far to say you only respect a very limited number of scriptures, those that support your own teachings.

Is this true Ducky?

Do you not care about understanding Rom 6:10,11? 2 Cor 5:21 Heb 2:14,15 Gal 4:4 Rom 8:3 Num 21:19

All these verse you ignored

Why?

 

[Duckybill]

Why is it Ducky you tell people they are wrong all the time and every day in your posts, but never provide an interpretation or explanation of what you actually believe????

Why is it that when I point out that you are trying to make Jesus sinful that you try to change the subject?

 

[Alethos]

Why is it that when I point out that you are trying to make Jesus sinful that you try to change the subject?

You dont get it Ducky...read the above YOU JUST DID IT AGAIN.:blink: You did exactly what I was sayingpreviously which means you are either a fool (one who cannot learn) or a deceiver?

If you have read this study you would see that Jesus was not sinner but his nature was a sin prone nature under the power of death.

Why are not willing to consider these passages?

2 Cor 5:21 Rom 6:10,11 Heb 2:14,15 Gal 4:4 Rom 8:3

DONT TELL ME WHAT YOU DONT BELIEVE EXPLAIN FROM THESE VERSE WHAT YOU DO!

Alethos

ps Rom 6:10.11 what do they mean to you!

 

[Duckybill]

You dont get it Ducky...

Yes I get it. Your jesus is sinful. My Jesus is the sinless Almighty God.

 

[Alethos]

Yes I get it. Your jesus is sinful. My Jesus is the sinless Almighty God.

Ducky please tell me what you believe Rom 6:10,11 and 2 Cor 5:21 teach us about Jesus Christ?

Short of begging you for an understanding what more can I do?

Dont tell me I am wrong.. explain to me why you are right from Rom 6:10,11 & 2 Cor 5:21

 

[Duckybill]

Ducky please tell me what you believe Rom 6:10,11 and 2 Cor 5:21 teach us about Jesus Christ?

Short of begging you for an understanding what more can I do?

Dont tell me I am wrong.. explain to me why you are right from Rom 6:10,11 & 2 Cor 5:21

All you really need to know is that your sinful jesus can't save you.

 

[Alethos]

All you really need to know is that your sinful jesus can't save you.

Ducky are there some Scriptures that you are not comfortable with?

 

[Duckybill]

Ducky are there some Scriptures that you are not comfortable with?

Wrong again and again ...

 

[Alethos]

Wrong again and again ...

As usual I am wrong and you are right.

So tell us why you are right from Rom 6:10,11 & 2 Cor 5:21

BTW you dont need to tell me I am wrong again and again...I get it.

Show us your belief in these verses?

 

[Duckybill]

Show us your belief in these verses?

How about I show you your comments that imply that Jesus is sinful?