More JW nonsense. If God did not become incarnate, then you are still in your sins.God did no such thing. Acts 17:31 informs us that God chose the man Jesus. This is not at all the same as God became incarnate.
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More JW nonsense. If God did not become incarnate, then you are still in your sins.God did no such thing. Acts 17:31 informs us that God chose the man Jesus. This is not at all the same as God became incarnate.
What is this Jesus if he is not God, and he is not an angel, and was not in the form of a man until he was birthed into this world, yet he exists eternally and was with God before he took the shape of a human?God did no such thing. Acts 17:31 informs us that God chose the man Jesus. This is not at all the same as God became incarnate.
But the law, including a life for a life, existed because God planned the fall before the foundation of the world.Besides so he could be the 'life for life' required by the law, he took humanity upon himself to become a compassionate High Priest...
...He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people. Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted." Hebrews 2:17-18
I agree with @Helen, that's just nonsense.
I guess you're not getting the point.But the law, including a life for a life, existed because God planned the fall before the foundation of the world.
Which is where was also created then the sin sacrifice that was that lamb. Slain before the foundation of the world that God called good on the sixth day.
Oh, I got the point.I guess you're not getting the point.
Jesus had to become human like us in order to be the fair and equitable life that is required as payment for life...life for life, tooth for tooth, blood for blood, foot for foot, eye for eye. He could have just said, "okay, I'll just let you guys off." But he didn't. Instead he took the hard way and actually satisfied his own law, though he could have easily just decided the law didn't have to be kept regarding the penalty for sin and just let us off. The question little Billy should be asking is why didn't God pardon us like a President does? You know, just lets them go scot free without actually paying the penalty himself for what they've done.
Maybe not. Maybe you can rephrase it.Oh, I got the point.
Though it would appear you did not get mine.
Created?Which is where was also created then the sin sacrifice that was that lamb.
Created?
Not so.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.
He always was and always will be.
He is eternal.
No, that won't be necessary.Maybe not. Maybe you can rephrase it.
Apparently what is being lost or overlooked here is the definition of “redemption”.
Why was Christ called our “Redeemer”?
His perfect sinless life, paid the “life for life” part of God’s law. In order for justice to be done, an equivalent had to be offered to cancel a debt. If a man was deeply in debt, with no way to pay it, he was to offer his services to the one to whom he owed the debt until it was paid in full. He, or one of his children, would become the servant of that man until the debt was fully cancelled. The only other way to cancel the debt was for a benevolent relative or friend (who had the means) to pay the debt for him, and free him or his child from that servitude.
So why did Jesus have to become a human and offer his life for Adam’s children?
What Adam lost by his disobedience was his own perfect sinless life.....he died as a payment his own debt. But he also lost perfect sinless life for all of his children who inherited his defects. Jesus came to ransom them (all of us as Adam’s offspring) out of that slavery to inevitable sin and death. Jesus had to come from outside of the sinful human race in order to offer ‘a sinless life for a sinless life’. No human born of Adam had the correct price. (Romans 5:12) God provided the ransom price that justice demanded. The Redeemer did not have to be God to pay it....all he needed to be was sinless. Jesus had to be a mortal human in every respect in order to die a death like Adam’s. It is why he is called “the last Adam”. (1 Corinthians 15:45)
If we understand what “redemption” is, and how God sent Jesus who willingly paid the price, it all makes perfect sense. No greater love has ever been demonstrated.....
If Jesus hadn’t been the one to pay for the redemption of the human race, no forgiveness would have been possible. He forgave them in advance of his sacrifice.....on the basis of it.Here's something I find interesting; Jesus forgave the paralytic without requiring anything.....he did it in other situations also like the thief beside him and the woman caught in adultery.....no sacrifice, no repentance, no confession, no baptism, no anything.....he just forgave and to validate that it was not just words he had the paralytic skipping out of there.
Sooooo, dare we ask the question it is begging? Does God require sacrifice to forgive.....any sort of sacrifice? Perhaps we need to redefine 'sacrifice' ?
Only his body part? Either he died or he didn’t.
Do you think there could be another way of looking at it/seeing it?If Jesus hadn’t been the one to pay for the redemption of the human race, no forgiveness would have been possible. He forgave them in advance of his sacrifice.....on the basis of it.
Prior to that the sacrifices of animals provided temporary forgiveness.
Hebrews 9:22...
“Yes, according to the Law nearly all things are cleansed with blood, and unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place.”
Christ’s blood was poured out for the forgiveness of sins.
yet No son of man has not been annulled or anythingIf we understand what “redemption” is, and how God sent Jesus who willingly paid the price, it all makes perfect sense. No greater love has ever been demonstrated
ha bc under the law nearly every sin requires blood huh ferrisBesides so he could be the 'life for life' required by the law, he took humanity upon himself
I said “you are Elohim”What is nonsense is the impossibility of God dying. If Jesus were God, who raised him from the dead?
The 'life for life' standard necessary means the sacrifice must be made by one who can die. This being cannot be God because Scripture tells us God does not change. Death is the ultimate change.
wordHere's something I find interesting; Jesus forgave the paralytic without requiring anything.....he did it in other situations also like the thief beside him and the woman caught in adultery.....no sacrifice, no repentance, no confession, no baptism, no anything.....he just forgave and to validate that it was not just words he had the paralytic skipping out of there.
Sooooo, dare we ask the question it is begging? Does God require sacrifice to forgive.....any sort of sacrifice? Perhaps we need to redefine 'sacrifice' ?
i wouldnt be writing that in stone just yet kAfter all it was a silly question.
Billy to Bible study teacher: Why did God have to send himself down to earth to become his own son to sacrifice himself just to convince himself to forgive us?
More JW nonsense. If God did not become incarnate, then you are still in your sins.
Only his body part? Either he died or he didn’t.
Who are “we”.
What is this Jesus if he is not God, and he is not an angel, and was not in the form of a man until he was birthed into this world, yet he exists eternally and was with God before he took the shape of a human?