Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

[David in NJ]

I am sorry David, we will not be able to discuss things, apparently you do not take the word of God seriously. It is very hard to communicate with someone who is inconsistent in their speech.

Thank you for the compliment - the pharisees and sadducees said the same thing of the LORD.

1 - You make statement about the LORD that you are unable to verify from Scripture
2 - You break the First and Second Commandments
3 - You follow false witnesses who reject Scripture and change Scripture for their false doctrines

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
1 - God is Spirit
2 - and those who worship Him must worship in spirit
3 - and truth.

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
1 - What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
2 - It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
3 - The words that I speak to you are Spirit, and they are Life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.”

Better review my Posts as there is LIFE in the Scriptures that i posted for you and others. And this LIFE is JESUS the LORD

 

[David in NJ]

I've noticed that also about David.

“Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My Name forever, and this is My Memorial to all generations.’

Elohim Abraham - FATHER
Elohim Isaac - SON
Elohim Jacob - Holy Spirit

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

You and Robert Gwin reject the Commandment of YAHWEH ELOHENU YAHWEH Echad

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!” Matthew 3:16
Elohim Father - Voice from Heaven -
Elohim Son - This is My Beloved Son
Elohim Holy Spirit - Spirit of God descending upon the LORD

This is MY NAME forever..................

 

[amadeus]

True as that may be, you still did not answer his two 'yes' or 'no' questions.

Are you speaking of these two questions?

Another non-responsive reply. @Robert Gwin referred to a matter of fact - Scripture has been deliberately manipulated & mistranslated, e.g., Ps 110:1. The binary questions requiring 'yes' or 'no' answers are:

1. Do you recognize the fact that Scripture has been deliberately manipulated & mistranslated?

I gave my answers in post #376 although it did not provide a simple, yes, or a simply, no! Why is that so important?

What answer do you suppose is going to win the debate for anyone?

For you benefit:
My answer to question #1 which may not have been clear to you would be, No.

That is, no, I do not recognize it as a fact. How could I or anyone be so certain today short of a revelation from God?

Do you believe that God will give "brownie points" of some kind to the winner [Who would that be and who would decide?] of this debate..?

2. Do you know what the motivation to do this is driven by doctrine not found in Scripture (hence the need to manipulate the word of God)?

My answer to question #2, would also be, No.

That is to say, no, I know of no such motivation.

Do those answers help anyone more than what was already said? I do hope that someone was edified in the things that matter to God.

amadeus said: We do live for God by faith, do we not?

Instead, you consistently aim to change the subject of trinitarian abuse, manipulation and altering the word of God to general points like above.

Honestly, I do not know why you continually hijack threads to such feel-good-isms.

Do you really believe that that is what I do?

Do you suppose that having all of the best answers to theological questions will matter to God as much as what we have done with what He has given us?

Do you suppose that if more members of this forum would spend as much time communicating with God as well encouraging and praying for each other as they do trying to prove theological or political or medical points they would be more pleasing to God?

 

[David in NJ]

Are you speaking of these two questions?

I gave my answers in post #376 although it did not provide a simple, yes, or a simply, no! Why is that so important?

What answer do you suppose is going to win the debate for anyone?

For you benefit:
My answer to question #1 which may not have been clear to you would be, No.

That is, no, I do not recognize it as a fact. How could I or anyone be so certain today short of a revelation from God?

Do you believe that God will give "brownie points" of some kind to the winner [Who would that be and who would decide?] of this debate..?


My answer to question #2, would also be, No.

That is to say, no, I know of no such motivation.

Do those answers help anyone more than what was already said? I do hope that someone was edified in the things that matter to God.


Do you really believe that that is what I do?

Do you suppose that having all of the best answers to theological questions will matter to God as much as what we have done with what He has given us?

Do you suppose that if more members of this forum would spend as much time communicating with God as well encouraging and praying for each other as they do trying to prove theological or political or medical points they would be more pleasing to God?

Which ever way the Wind blows
God only knows
from where It came and where It goes
only HE knows
Spirit of Truth cannot be seen
except from the Pages, In-Between
The Lord is our Shepherd
leading us His Way
Truth be known
only by His Wind that is Blown

For ALL THREE Agree
Father Son Holy Spirit
They know what They are Saying
YES, Jesus can be heard Praying
that They are One, says the Son
I Agree says the Father to His Beloved One
Therefore the Dove did Rest
Upon Him who is BEST
You too can find this REST
Listen to the Wind
Who Knows

 

[David in NJ]

Are you speaking of these two questions?

I gave my answers in post #376 although it did not provide a simple, yes, or a simply, no! Why is that so important?

What answer do you suppose is going to win the debate for anyone?

For you benefit:
My answer to question #1 which may not have been clear to you would be, No.

That is, no, I do not recognize it as a fact. How could I or anyone be so certain today short of a revelation from God?

Do you believe that God will give "brownie points" of some kind to the winner [Who would that be and who would decide?] of this debate..?


My answer to question #2, would also be, No.

That is to say, no, I know of no such motivation.

Do those answers help anyone more than what was already said? I do hope that someone was edified in the things that matter to God.


Do you really believe that that is what I do?

Do you suppose that having all of the best answers to theological questions will matter to God as much as what we have done with what He has given us?

Do you suppose that if more members of this forum would spend as much time communicating with God as well encouraging and praying for each other as they do trying to prove theological or political or medical points they would be more pleasing to God?

Love you Brother, and i always receive your prayers - Thank You

I too will lift you up as i now must go for a drive - have a Great Day Today in Him and that Beautiful Wind

 

[Wrangler]

I gave my answers in post #376 although it did not provide a simple, yes, or a simply, no! Why is that so important?

Because that answers the question.

You are not the first to forget to actually answer the question. They "why" your answer is what it is may be exciting. I understand. But for God sakes man, answer the question.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus is certainly NOT the Creator for the Bible says he is the first born of all Creation and that he is the Son of the Creator, who created things FOR and THROUGH his son.

Wrong again!

John 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


God who was and is with THE God made all things as Gods Word says right here!

 

[Truth7t7]

“Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My Name forever, and this is My Memorial to all generations.’

Elohim Abraham - FATHER
Elohim Isaac - SON
Elohim Jacob - Holy Spirit

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

You and Robert Gwin reject the Commandment of YAHWEH ELOHENU YAHWEH Echad

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!” Matthew 3:16
Elohim Father - Voice from Heaven -
Elohim Son - This is My Beloved Son
Elohim Holy Spirit - Spirit of God descending upon the LORD

This is MY NAME forever..................

Is this the Mormon Elohim, that lives on the planet Kolob?

THE MAN FROM KOLOB
There once was an ambitious man from Kolob, Who progressed and got a new job. Elohim, Mormons say, is his name, And the "Council of gods" made earth his domain. This "eternal progression" they also strive to follow, If only all of Mormonism they would but swallow! Gods and goddesses they say they too can be, Faith in "the only true church" is the entry key. Now this "heavenly Father" of flesh and bone, Was not content to just sit on his throne. He had many wives and was busy as a bee, Producing spirit children throughout all eternity. Then two of his kids strongly disagreed, Over who's plan would best succeed. Jesus and Lucifer were they; One was redeemer and one was the devil, A strange brotherhood, I'd say! Elohim looked on down, For a choice virgin to be found; Mary was his daughter, then became his wife,Together they produced Jesus for this life. This elder brother only purchased their resurrection, For by their own good works they can come to perfection. Of the cross there is surely no need, But by their own laws and covenants they'll succeed! This isn't the Jesus of Scripture, Who for my salvation did die. So Mormons, I'm sorry,I won't see you in glory since JOSEPH SMITH HAS TOLD YOU A LIE!

By Lorri MacGregor (rewritten by Jenell McGregor)

 

[ScottA]

Billy to Bible study teacher: Why did God have to send himself down to earth to become his own son to sacrifice himself just to convince himself to forgive us?

He didn't have to.

But that is the rescue mission. All the world was created as an unpacking of the evil that occurred before God, and then the rescue by Christ, and then the repacking up again. Then comes the end.

 

[Wrangler]

Wrong again!

John 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Proving my point again. It's so funny how you keep referencing Scripture that does not even refer to Jesus.

I understand why you have to invoke so many Scriptural verses. It's the only way to synthesize your doctrine, which is not actually found in Scripture. By synthesizing a bit of a verse here, out of context, to a verse there, out of context, one can synthesize any doctrine.'

Jesus died. This is how we know he is not God, the Creator.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus died. This is how we know he is not God, the Creator.

On the contrary...this his how we know he is God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Proving my point again. It's so funny how you keep referencing Scripture that does not even refer to Jesus.

I understand why you have to invoke so many Scriptural verses. It's the only way to synthesize your doctrine, which is not actually found in Scripture. By synthesizing a bit of a verse here, out of context, to a verse there, out of context, one can synthesize any doctrine.'

Jesus died. This is how we know he is not God, the Creator.

Well as you have been asked repeatedly ti identify this word and the light as they both appear before verse 14, and yo uhave declared that Jesus does NOT appear in JOhn 1 until verse 14 I am going with Jesus.

Sorry Pope Wrangler the 1st, but I do not bow to your ex-cathedra pontifications without you showing the proper evidence from Scripture. And as you refuse to identify th eperson who is the word/god in vse 1 and the light and life of men, I will go with the rules of grammar and context that God made and know it is Jesus! If you have a better answer- you have been requested to sho wthe who several times now!

 

[Wrangler]

On the contrary...this his how we know his is God.

You are lost. The Good News is NOT that God took on the form of a man and only appeared to die.

 

[David in NJ]

Is this the Mormon Elohim, that lives on the planet Kolob?

THE MAN FROM KOLOB
There once was an ambitious man from Kolob, Who progressed and got a new job. Elohim, Mormons say, is his name, And the "Council of gods" made earth his domain. This "eternal progression" they also strive to follow, If only all of Mormonism they would but swallow! Gods and goddesses they say they too can be, Faith in "the only true church" is the entry key. Now this "heavenly Father" of flesh and bone, Was not content to just sit on his throne. He had many wives and was busy as a bee, Producing spirit children throughout all eternity. Then two of his kids strongly disagreed, Over who's plan would best succeed. Jesus and Lucifer were they; One was redeemer and one was the devil, A strange brotherhood, I'd say! Elohim looked on down, For a choice virgin to be found; Mary was his daughter, then became his wife,Together they produced Jesus for this life. This elder brother only purchased their resurrection, For by their own good works they can come to perfection. Of the cross there is surely no need, But by their own laws and covenants they'll succeed! This isn't the Jesus of Scripture, Who for my salvation did die. So Mormons, I'm sorry,I won't see you in glory since JOSEPH SMITH HAS TOLD YOU A LIE!

By Lorri MacGregor (rewritten by Jenell McGregor)

Why would you include this heresy of Joseph Smith and the Mormons with the Word of God???

 

[ScottA]

You are lost. The Good News is NOT that God took on the form of a man and only appeared to die.

Sorry for just coming in on the conversation...but that is not enough information.

If you are going to accuse me of being lost, at the very least you should substantiate it with that actual "Good News." Go for it. Do your worst.

 

[Wrangler]

Well as you have been asked repeatedly ti identify this word

Done repeatedly. You just deny it. This word is a WHAT not a WHO. Words are an attribute of the Being who says it, not spawning of another Being.

Verse 2 "He" is the same Greek word translated in John 6:60 "this" as in, '“This is very hard to understand.' It is not "he is very hard to understand." But this word, this teaching is hard to understand.

Sorry Pope Wrangler the 1st, but I do not bow to your ex-cathedra pontifications without you showing the proper evidence from Scripture.

Done many times. You just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Jesus's God is the only God. The one who send Jesus to Earth is the only God. Scripture is explicit on this point 1,000's of times and in every Epistle.


The Most important Commandment “Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.
Deuteronomy 6:4

And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you (Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
John 17:3 (Emphasis Added)

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17 (NLT)

'For us, there is one God, the Father.'
1 Cor 8:6

All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 1:3

 

[David in NJ]

On the contrary...this his how we know his is God.

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father.”

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are One.” = Deuteronomy 6:4

Questions anyone ???

 

[David in NJ]

Done repeatedly. You just deny it. This word is a WHAT not a WHO. Words are an attribute of the Being who says it, not spawning of another Being.

Verse 2 "He" is the same Greek word translated in John 6:60 "this" as in, '“This is very hard to understand.' It is not "he is very hard to understand." But this word, this teaching is hard to understand.



Done many times. You just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Jesus's God is the only God. The one who send Jesus to Earth is the only God. Scripture is explicit on this point 1,000's of times and in every Epistle.


The Most important Commandment “Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.
Deuteronomy 6:4

And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you (Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
John 17:3 (Emphasis Added)

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17 (NLT)

'For us, there is one God, the Father.'
1 Cor 8:6

All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 1:3

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father.”

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are One.” = Deuteronomy 6:4

Heaven to earth - wrangler please pick up the Call on line 7

 

[Wrangler]

If you are going to accuse me of being lost, at the very least you should substantiate it with that actual "Good News."

If you want to deem me as doing less than the least, go for it. If you want to delve into what is the actual Good News, feel free to start your own thread. They are free!

Feel free to review the brief, Is Jesus a Man That God Selected? | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board. Acts 17:31

 

[Truth7t7]

Why would you include this heresy of Joseph Smith and the Mormons with the Word of God???

Just kidding Dave, Elohim is the Mormon handle for the Kolob god