Amen. And This is different to:
C. To simply and purely share the love of God and truth you have.
Silly question, but a thought provoking one:
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C. To simply and purely share the love of God and truth you have.
People very often like to be on a 'good' side, which perhaps they will call the "right" side, but what and where is that? This church or that church or my church?
It seems to be much easier to criticize or tear something down than it is to build from the ground up or edify. Just about any of us is able to take hold of a sledge hammer and destroy a physical house but what does it take to build a house on the Rock rather than on sand so that when the storms come it is able to withstand the worst that it has to offer.
Who's side is the right one?
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them." Luke 17:20-23
But then because they are "saved" according them will they say that what God had Solomon write 3000 years ago does not apply to them as well?
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov. 21:2
That is the fleshly way judging himself. Let any man without sin cast then the first stone because he certainly is "right"... right?
[I also, while not being a Mormon, do not hold to any of the formally expressed and written Creeds.]
Who is my Head? Who is my Head to be? The Pope, or a pastor, or some other leader in a church group designated by themselves as Christian?
When we have overcome the world as Jesus did, then may we open our mouths to speak out against others who believe differently or who belong to other group than we do? How many here have already overcome as Jesus did?
David in NJ
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Well i would disagree on this level of thought found in John chapter 17 - Thy word is Truth
and the clear warnings from the Lord and the Apostles that false christs, false prophets and false teachers would be flooding the world
leading up to His Return.
While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?” 4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. Matt 24
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. - Apostle John
Apostle Paul : For there will be a time when they will not endure sound teaching, but according to the own desires, having an itching ear, they will gather around them teachers to suit themselves,
Apostle Peter: But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
What is "sound doctrine" and who determines this??? - Only God's Word - "It is written."
Satan deceives the same way today as he did in the Garden - "did God really say...."
So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
Revelation 12:15
When i see the Vatican, the Mormon Temple, and others, i check in God's word to see if these are the "wolves in sheeps clothing."
If they speak and do things that God has not approved of in His Word, then we reject those things.
Furthermore the LORD Himself said we are His Witnesses, as such we bear witness to the TRUTH found only in His Word.
My posts always direct the reader to the Word of God and CHRIST.
SEE Post #738
Rather than wasting your time judging and condemning others, you'd be better focusing on your own walk with Christ.
Two things before you speak against another person's way of follow God that a I would suggest. One, is to be certain that you are right [remember what Solomon wrote] and two, is to be certain that God really wants you to speak!
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7
How does one know when to keep silent and when to speak?
David in NJ
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Well, you have continually accused me with no evidence to back you accusations, thereby the Lord judge between you and me.
David in NJ
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You guys are on the accusers path of late - bringing false accusations without any evidence of such - i see now what my Lord had to put up with when HE walked amongst us.
Is this a Christian forum or a JW, LDS and 'other' forum.....
David in NJ
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...wow. Do you really not see how you have over and over again in this thread judged others, as if you were trying to be mine or other's judge/priest? Do you not see why I and others rebel against a man (you) trying to lead us and instead each do our best to follow Christ?
I do not believe I accused you. I responded to your post simply suggesting a better way to deal with people in accord with what I believe is God's Way.
Your final sentence presumes that JWs and LDS members are not Christian. You may find such a presumption in violation of the forum rules when a person has designated himself as a Christian.
David in NJ
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God has judged false religions by His Word - not me. How are you saved? By religion or by Christ?
David in NJ
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The doctrines of JWs, LDS, RCC and others are not from Christ - but i do not judge you, or anyone on here - just the doctrines as compared to Scripture to see if they are of God - not the person.
Have you not received genuine love of God from me and i from you? - READ my posts - they all point to Christ and His word.
i care not what religious background one comes from. If anyone has come to Christ and has been Born-Again as Christ Himself said must take place then all is Good.
Christ died on the cross for out sins - not Joseph Smith, Mother Theresa, Mary or any other religious leader.
Religions that alter or change Scripture to create a false christ or claim another Prophet other then Christ is to be shunned.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST of the Holy Scriptures is the only SAVIOR - PERIOD = this True CHRISTIANITY.
You and Jane_Doe has falsely accused me repeatedly - over and over. But in my posts there is no evidence of such that i am accused of.
David in NJ
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You accuse without evidence and you should stop doing this immediately.
You were only shown love by me which you refused and turned back with hate and false accusations.
David, the “I don’t judge the person, I just judge the doctrine “ stance is total junk. Beliefs are a foundational part of who a person is. I know you refuse to see that, let alone change. This conversation will yield no good fruit. Therefore, I shall just wish you well on your journey with Christ, that you ever grow in His grace.
Grailhunter
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In the New Testament Yeshua gives us a clearer explanation of the oneness concept. Speaking to God the Father (He is not talking to Himself) Yeshua says this about the concept of one...John 17:22 “And the glory which to them; that they may be one just as We are one.” Because Yeshua says “just as” this is an exactness, a duplication of a condition that we can achieve, and He states that this condition of “oneness” can apply to us, but it has nothing to do with absorption or singularity, but rather a condition of spiritual union and solidarity between God and us. The next verse further defines this by describing a unity with Christ that would cause the same condition with us as it did with them, a condition of perfection. Again, not talking to Himself, in John 17:23 “I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that You did send Me, and do love them, even as you do love Me.” In this context millions of people could be made one...one being a abstract concept of one, but a more literal meaning of unity, solidarity, and perfection and even a “body” that is considered one....the body of Christ or the body of the Church. And then, the next verse is probably one of the best verses to put this oneness concept into perspective. The leading verses are speaking of the works of the Holy Spirit and then ends with this explanation. 1st Corinthians 12:11-13 “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”.....So the "Oneness" is something that applies or will apply to all of us and we are not gods nor will we ever be gods.
Beyond that the scriptures give literally hundreds or proofs that the One God formula for the Trinity is false.
All of the My Father scriptures....like 59 of the them and some of referring to His Father in Heaven. God designated Himself as God the Father so we would understand His position in our terms. He designated Christ as His Son so we would understand His position in our terms.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.....God did not give Himself nor is God the Father, God the Son.
The Father sent the Son....not Himself.
The Father gave authority to the Son...He gave Himself nothing, and Christ did not give anything to the Father.
In My Father's house there are many mansions....not In My house there are many mansions.
To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” The Temple was His Father's house not His.
Christ did not do His will, but the will of the Father.
Christ did not have the authority to grant the mother of James and John a seat on thrones.
The Father new the end of time...not the Son.
Christ prayed to the Father and made requests.
God the Son loves the Father and the Father loves the Son....God did not love Himself.
Christ said He had to go for the Holy Spirit to come...He did not say I am the Holy Spirit or because I am here the Holy Spirit is here to.
Yeshua ascended to the Father....He did not ascend to Himself.
The Apostles new there was a difference between God the Father and God the Son because they referred to them differently in their writings. Referring to God the Father as God and God the Son as our Lord Jesus Christ.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. 2nd Corinthians 13:14
Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ with a love incorruptible. Ephesians 6:23-24
To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Greet all God’s people in Christ Jesus. The brothers and sisters who are with me send greetings. All God’s people here send you greetings, especially those who belong to Caesar’s household. The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. Philippians 4:20-23
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it. Brothers and sisters, pray for us. Greet all God’s people with a holy kiss. I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers and sisters. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. 1st Thessalonians 5:23-28
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. 2nd Thessalonians 3:18
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Philemon 2:25
Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. 2nd Peter 3:18
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. 1st John 5:19-20
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teachings of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teachings, he has both the Father and the Son. 2nd John 1:9
There is no possibility that the one God formula is true. There are three full fledged Gods that are united. They are in accord, in union, but not one. Trinity....Tri...unity, not Triune or Tri-one. A Godhead.
The concept of one God having three aspects is strictly Pagan.
And if that is not enough, here is a couple hundred reasons
Grailhunter’s Corner
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David in NJ
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Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teachings of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teachings, he has both the Father and the Son. 2nd John 1:9
AMEN
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.....the Word became flesh - Gospel of John ch1
For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders.
And He will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
For I am the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come. I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me. I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“that I am God. Even from eternity I am He,
and none can deliver out of My hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?” Isaiah 43
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses (witnesses of Yehovah = Jesus Christ = Isaiah ch43)
And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus - 2 Timothy 1:10
there is no Savior but Me = Jesus Christ - Yehovah = LORD - Isaiah ch43
David in NJ
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YES, i know that Jesus, the Man, prayed to His Father - Amen - never question that.
This does not alter who Christ was before HE took on the form of the Servant.
"Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?" - John 6:62
You keep on speaking of accusations. Even if they really existed, how meaningful are they? Of what did they accuse Jesus? How did he answer them?
I speak only of charity. Talk to God about that if you will... for without it what is knowledge anyway?
"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2
"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things." I Cor 13:4-7
David in NJ
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and where was Christ before??? - "Let us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness" - Genesis 1:26
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. - John 1:1-3
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