Alex Jones is found guilty

[Truth7t7]

Devin, can you help me translate these folks here so I can understand better?
I saw your posts about MKULTRA and yes those are know facts today, but how does one rationalize the death of 20 children to a hoax and what is the ultimate goal?
I mean this is just insane to me to brush this off as nothing. Maybe the trauma that is caused in accepting that 6 year old angels were slaughtered like sheep, where the parents had to have a closed casket funeral because their bodies were so badly damaged.
How does one brush this off as “conspiracy” and for what purpose?




Omg. Have you seen the funeral pictures?
Is this fake?
Sandy Hook shooting: First funerals take place following massacre as six-year-old Jets fan laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

Please provide information where the "County Coroner" was involved, official documentation on forensics regarding guns and bullets used, I was unable to find these?

 

[dev553344]

Devin, can you help me translate these folks here so I can understand better?
I saw your posts about MKULTRA and yes those are know facts today, but how does one rationalize the death of 20 children to a hoax and what is the ultimate goal?
I mean this is just insane to me to brush this off as nothing. Maybe the trauma that is caused in accepting that 6 year old angels were slaughtered like sheep, where the parents had to have a closed casket funeral because their bodies were so badly damaged.
How does one brush this off as “conspiracy” and for what purpose?

Could something like project BlueBird be behind something like that. Pushing a person to assassinate. But it doesn't necessarily have to be our country and technology would have to be used that allow a military psychologist to communicate in secret (thru technology) to the subject. Such technology possibly exists in my opinion.

But then what purpose would a foreign country have to conduct something like project BlueBird on USA soil. They would have to be using satellite based com and injected nano tech without the person knowing. That way the person might believe the voices are god talking to them or the devil.

And yes with my schitzophrenia I have thought about that very thing. I dismiss it as fantasy, but not all do. And I find that the old CIA projects were definately inline with some cruelty towards the population. In fact the USA conducted radiation experiments on the public among other things (Unethical human experimentation in the United States - Wikipedia).

Anyways it would be a terrorist assault. And I would think it would have to be conducted by a foreign country.

You brought up the fact that the conspiracy idea is cruel to the parents of the slaughtered children. I'm not sure why that is. Unless you would like to place the blame appropriately and the conspiracy confuses the facts.

Here's an excerpt from the unethical human experimentation in the United States from wikipedia:

Numerous experiments which were performed on human test subjects in the United States are considered unethical, because they were illegally performed or they were performed without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests were performed throughout American history, but most of them were performed during the 20th century. The experiments included the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infections with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injections of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests which involved mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of other experiments. Many of these tests were performed on children,[1] the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.

Many of these experiments violated US law. Some others were sponsored by government agencies or rogue elements thereof, including the Centers for Disease Control, the United States military, and the Central Intelligence Agency, or they were sponsored by private corporations which were involved in military activities.[2][3][4] The human research programs were usually highly secretive and performed without the knowledge or authorization of Congress, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed.

The ethical, professional, and legal implications of this in the United States medical and scientific community were quite significant, and led to many institutions and policies that attempted to ensure that future human subject research in the United States would be ethical and legal. Public outrage in the late 20th century over the discovery of government experiments on human subjects led to numerous congressional investigations and hearings, including the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission, both of 1975, and the 1994 Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments, among others.

 

[Truth7t7]

Devin, can you help me translate these folks here so I can understand better?
I saw your posts about MKULTRA and yes those are know facts today, but how does one rationalize the death of 20 children to a hoax and what is the ultimate goal?
I mean this is just insane to me to brush this off as nothing. Maybe the trauma that is caused in accepting that 6 year old angels were slaughtered like sheep, where the parents had to have a closed casket funeral because their bodies were so badly damaged.
How does one brush this off as “conspiracy” and for what purpose?




Omg. Have you seen the funeral pictures?
Is this fake?
Sandy Hook shooting: First funerals take place following massacre as six-year-old Jets fan laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

Disarm America, using catastrophic events involving firearms to justify this

First thing Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela was restrict freedom of the press, then he disarmed the citizens

We see freedom of speech and the press being removed, with facebook, twitter, etc removing the conservative voices, MSM is propaganda controlled by the elite

Yes the liberal democrats desire to see the 2nd amendment in the right to bear arms be abolished, as they move to maintan total control

 

[GaryAnderson]

@devin553344 thank you for your explanation.
What you’ve listed are historical facts and yes some people like the shooter could be manipulated to perform such an act. The other reason is that he was simply insane because there are many other mass shooters who we don’t consider some part of secret experiment but because children were involved here and because it’s so traumatic we don’t want to believe it that an insane person could have done this.

I guess the ultimate goal here based on your answer is that governments will do horrible things to their people and this is proven throughout history.
I accept this as a plausible theory but I don’t believe it applies to this case, because the guy who did this had mental problems and shot his grandma 4 times in the head before he began his spree.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Disarm America, using catastrophic events involving firearms to justify this

First thing Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela was restrict freedom of the press, then he disarmed the citizens

We see freedom of speech and the press being removed, with facebook, twitter, etc removing the conservative voices, MSM is propaganda controlled by the elite

Yes the liberal democrats desire to see the 2nd amendment in the right to bear arms be abolished, as they move to maintan total control

Disarm America? Really? Assuming this is true, why should you as a Christian be pro guns? Why aren’t you neutral like many other countries?
Are you a fan of one party it seems and faith in God is optional?

 

[APAK]

Im skeptical on the incident, Please provide an article where the "County Coroner" was involved, official documentation on forensics regarding guns and bullets used, I was unable to find these?

FBI director at the time was Robert Mueller, a criminal himself

I searched after a few weeks and then at least several times afterwards for a several months to find any evidence of the children's official deaths in city county State databases or reports...genuine death certificates and obituaries...nothing found. I had all the names...This was astounding to me.

 

[dev553344]

@devin553344 thank you for your explanation.
What you’ve listed are historical facts and yes some people like the shooter could be manipulated to perform such an act. The other reason is that he was simply insane because there are many other mass shooters who we don’t consider some part of secret experiment but because children were involved here and because it’s so traumatic we don’t want to believe it that an insane person could have done this.

I guess the ultimate goal here based on your answer is that governments will do horrible things to their people and this is proven throughout history.
I accept this as a plausible theory but I don’t believe it applies to this case, because the guy who did this had mental problems and shot his grandma 4 times in the head before he began his spree.

Yes and people with mental problems are the people they used in those experiments.

I think people with mental problems are dangerous when they're not medicated. And that is why we call it a mental health crisis.

 

[Truth7t7]

Disarm America? Really? Assuming this is true, why should you as a Christian be pro guns? Why aren’t you neutral like many other countries?
Are you a fan of one party it seems and faith in God is optional?

Big Smiles!

You sound like a liberal from Canada, UK, Australia, or Massachusetts

This is America, land of the free, home of the brave!

I hunt, fish, and enjoy the outdoors in America, love that smoked venison, will my big chief smoker be next on their list?

The liberals have went as far in trying to stop camp fires on the beach, restrict lawn mowers, and dont forget the abolishment of drinking straws in San Franscisco "Smiles"!

 

[GaryAnderson]

Big Smiles!

You sound like a liberal from Canada, UK, or Australia?

This is America, land ofthe free, homeofthe brave!

I hunt, fish, and enjoy the outdoors in America, love that smoked venison!

The liberals have went as far in trying to stop camp fires on the beach,and restrict lawn mowers, dont forget the abolishment of drinking straws on San Franscisco "Smiles"

So that’s your answer as to Why are you pro gun? Because you’re an American? So this means that you put nation before God.

You know what? I got some legitimate answers from @devin553344 , because I think you and a few others have gone too far on the deep end here.

 

[Truth7t7]

I searched after a few weeks and then at least several times afterwards for a several months to find any evidence of the children's official deaths in city county State databases or reports...genuine death certificates and obituaries...nothing found. I had all the names...This was astounding to me.

The same would apply to the supposed Ashli Babbit shooting and death on Jan 6th 2021

 

[Truth7t7]

So that’s your answer as to Why are you pro gun? Because you’re an American? So this means that you put nation before God.

You know what? I got some legitimate answers from @devin553344 , because I think you and a few others have gone too far on the deep end here.

Your liberal fake news, accusing gun owners as putting guns before God

Do you work for CNN or MSNBC?

 

[Wrangler]

Disarm America? Really? Assuming this is true, why should you as a Christian be pro guns?

Because our Lord told us to arm ourselves. Beyond that, God gave us life. It is wrong for anyone to take what is ours and the Bible is filled with stories of people defending what is their's, particularly the people of Jerusalem.


if you don't have a sword, sell some of your clothes and buy one.
Jesus, Luke 22:36 (CEV)

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes and people with mental problems are the people they used in those experiments.

I think people with mental problems are dangerous when they're not medicated. And that is why we call it a mental health crisis.

Sad part is, supposed "Mental Problems" in this liberal world is attributed to a persons brain function or chemical imbalance etc?

It's my belief a very large percentage of mental patients are "Possessed Of Devils", something this liberal secular world disregards as fiction

What mental diagnosis would this liberal world of today Put on the man possessed with devils seen below?

Mark 5:1-13KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

 

[Wrangler]

So that’s your answer as to Why are you pro gun? Because you’re an American? So this means that you put nation before God.

Gary, what kind of pinko commie are you? @Truth7t7's answer was beautiful; because he is an American! That you invoke Ad Homenim in accusing him of putting nation before God is ridiculous!

Let me explain @Truth7t7's answer so even you can understand it. To be an American or to invoke one being an American is to proudly assert our God-given liberty. To have God-given liberty means one has no burden to justify our choices to anyone but our God. Attempting to guilt an American out of their freedom will fail. The Founding Father's wrote the 2A and used the Bible as a guide more than any other source. This means one can find more causes and justifications for liberty in the Bible than anywhere else.

Gun ownership is our birth right! And you are questioning our birth right as a means of attacking it!


For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17

I think you and a few others have gone too far on the deep end here.

Count me in. The truth is extreme.


Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater

 

[GaryAnderson]

@Wrangler i don’t think you and your friends understand the implications of your words. By your logic, what separates you from an extremist Muslim who claims God-given rights on weapons?

Also, many of you deviated from the original post and throw other comments unrelated to this topic.
The topic was Alex Jones was found guilty for saying “Sandy Hook is a hoax” and some of you defend him based on extremist logic.

@devin553344 was the only one who gave a logical and non-biased answer based on some historical facts.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler i don’t think you and your friends understand the implications of your words. By your logic, what separates you from an extremist Muslim who claims God-given rights on weapons?

Poisoning the Well. What separates those of us who are free indeed as we were set free by the Son of God, the salt and light of the World - from Muslims, the most oppressive ideology in the history of mankind, imposed by Satan? Really?! What is wrong with you?

I fully understand the implications of my words. The ONLY reason we live in a relatively free and prosperous society is because good guys with guns killed bad guys with guns.

Also, many of you deviated from the original post and throw other comments unrelated to this topic.
The topic was Alex Jones was found guilty for saying “Sandy Hook is a hoax” and some of you defend him based on extremist logic.

Oh, now you are back pedaling. Guess what? On line threads notoriously deviate from the OP after a while, covering tangential things. I am not addressing the OP but your attack on freedom and your twisted principles that rationalize said attack.

@devin553344 was the only one who gave a logical and non-biased answer based on some historical facts.

Good.

 

[GaryAnderson]

@Wrangler you confuse Christianity with Republicanism. Whatever helps you go through your day.

@devin553344 one more question for you.
Why do people confuse Lawsuits with Freedom of Speech? Do they know that government and private entities are two separate things?

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler you confuse Christianity with Republicanism. Whatever helps you go through your day.

No one is buying what you are selling. This thread is political.

What was Alex Jones convicted of; we are supposed to have Freedom of the Press in America?

 

[dev553344]

Sad part is, supposed "Mental Problems" in this liberal world is attributed to a persons brain function or chemical imbalance etc?

It's my belief a very large percentage of mental patients are "Possessed Of Devils", something this liberal secular world disregards as fiction

What mental diagnosis would this liberal world of today Put on the man possessed with devils seen below?

Mark 5:1-13KJV
1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

That's untrue. Most possessed people are merely sinners. Aggressive and violent or sexually unclean people become possessed.

 

[GaryAnderson]

No one is buying what you are selling. This thread is political.

What was Alex Jones convicted of; we are supposed to have Freedom of the Press in America?

Alex Jones was sued by the families. Multiple courts (including Texas) have asked him to back up his claims and provide documentation.
He didn’t submit the papers and was found guilty. These are the facts so far.