Omicron variant

[Eternally Grateful]

Honestly I would rank Wrangler 6th or 7th on the conspiracy theory meter. There are a few others here who have essentially checked out of reality.

To be honest, I can’t remember, I left the site for awhile because of all the conspiracies and how angry it made me. I see they have shut that one thread down now. Thank God.

I do not want to be drug into this again. So I will just consider the source.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're actually wrong about this. The Washington state department of health reports:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status
November 24, 2021
Summary
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 14 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-
olds.
• 9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.

This about says what most of us are seeing in real life.

 

[Wrangler]

The stats I posted indicate that non-vaccinated are much more likely to be hospitalized from a Covid infection. So no that is not correct.

Wrong. I am talking about absolutes. You are talking about probabilities. Fact is, people who don't have the vaccine get only mild symptoms of a disease with survival rates are 98.5% - 99.6%. The hysteria over this is amazing. It shows how effective indoctrination is.

The propaganda is that one should take the vaccine to reduce symptoms because the vaccine doesn't work if you get the disease. When I was a kid, I got the small pox vaccine so I would not get the disease.

 

[Wrangler]

I left the site for awhile because of all the conspiracies and how angry it made me.

Last year's conspiracy theories are this years conspiracy facts. Don't blame the messenger, my friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am one of those people! I now thank God that my level of immunity is now 13+ times greater than those who are vaccinated, and for a much longer duration of efficacy, no matter what the Covid variant may be.
I am trusting in the Lord all the way through this plan-demic.

And you know this how?

I trusted the lord also.

He made a vaccine available. And I trusted him that I could take it knowing the risks. If something happened because I took the vaccine, well it was in Gods will

If I did not take it. And what happened to me happened to my daughter in laws mother and quite a few other people I know who had the same medical history. I would most likely be dead now. Of course, By the time I got covid. It would be too late to take the vaccine. So I would most likely be like th many who regretted not taking the vaccine, and realised it when it was too late

 

[dev553344]

Wrong. I am talking about absolutes. You are talking about probabilities. Fact is, people who don't have the vaccine get only mild symptoms of a disease with survival rates are 98.5% - 99.6%. The hysteria over this is amazing. It shows how effective indoctrination is.

The propaganda is that one should take the vaccine to reduce symptoms because the vaccine doesn't work if you get the disease. When I was a kid, I got the small pox vaccine so I would not get the disease.

I personally know of three unvaxinated people that got Covid. Two are dead from it and the third was severely ill and he was 50.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

QUOTE="Wrangler, post: 1173178, member: 9929"]Pure propaganda. Are you aware that people who do not have the vaccine get mild cases of COVID?



Not really an answer to my question. Most likely die if these high risk people did not take the vaccine? Where do you get this? Survival rates are 98.5% - 99.6%. From Debunking Myths About Coronavirus | Bayhealth | Bayhealth
Current estimates of the infection mortality rate for the coronavirus range from 0.4-1.5%.

I suppose there is no point in sharing the growing data that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease.
Symptomatic Acute Myocarditis in 7 Adolescents After Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccination
Covid-19 Vaccines and Myocarditis Link Probed by Researchers

Like i said, your information is faulty

It is a group of all the people. It does not break the results down into age groups. Or even medical groups (people with diabetes, Pulminary disease or other at risk health factors)

But if you want to go with this as your reasoning. Well like I said good luck.

 

[Wrangler]

I personally know of three unvaxinated people that got Covid. Two are dead from it and the third was severely ill and he was 50.

I personally know about 1,000 people who did not get it, a few dozen who got it with 2 severe cases. Both had the vaccine. 1 died.

 

[Wrangler]

your information is faulty

My information is not faulty, just against the narrative.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Facts:

So much for this disease only affecting older people. And not affecting younger.

Cleveland.com

A North Ridgeville 24-year-old is fighting COVID on a ventilator; her friends and family are walking to the hospital on Thanksgiving morning

MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS, Ohio -- Family, friends and community members will meet for a group walk to Southwest General Health Center Thursday morning to show support for Stephanie Radwanski, 24 of North Ridgeville, who is fighting for her life after battling COVID-19.

The walk will begin at 9:30 a.m. at the Lake-to-Lake trailhead in Big Creek Reservation, arriving at Southwest General Health Center’s front entrance around 10:30 a.m. so the group can share cards, pictures, stuffed animals and words of encouragement with Jeanne and Jerry Radwanski, Stephanie’s parents who will be with her at the hospital.

More than five weeks ago, Stephanie Radwanski tested positive for COVID-19. When she began to get weak, tired and developed a fever, she went to the emergency department at Southwest General where she was given medication and asked to come back for additional treatment.

But when she returned, her vitals showed that her oxygen levels were dangerously low and she was admitted into the hospital. Over the next week, her oxygen levels kept dropping and doctors had to put her on a ventilator and sedate her on Nov. 4. They braced her family for the worst.

“When you have an infectious disease doctor come in and tell you that they don’t think she’s going to make it through the night, you’re in shock,” said Jeanne Radwanski, her mother.

Three weeks later, she no longer has coronavirus but she’s still in critical condition and on life support and sedated with significant damage and scaring in her lungs. She will remain on life support until she can maintain necessary oxygen levels on her own.

“We’re at the stage right now where we’re just kind of waiting,” said Jeanne Radwanski.

 

[Wrangler]

But if you want to go with this as your reasoning. Well like I said good luck.

Thanks! Not all vaccine supporters are so gracious. Is Pandemic Australia Still a Liberal Democracy? - The Atlantic

Nothing says 'trust the science' like withholding information for generations. Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data | Reuters

 

[Wrangler]

Facts:

So much for this disease only affecting older people. And not affecting younger.

You are speaking in absolute terms in condemnation of rejecting the vaccine but present probabilities in its support.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I personally know of three unvaxinated people that got Covid. Two are dead from it and the third was severely ill and he was 50.

I know of many,

Sadly, I know of over ten who died. All were unvaccinated.

I know of one who had open heart surgery because if it

I know 2 who still after almost a year. Has respiratory and other issues

And I know of 2 who still do not have a sense of taste and or smell (what is causing this and what kind of long term damage can happen?

Now at the same time, I know of almost 15 who have no lingering affects. had hardly any symptoms at all. The rest had severe symptoms. And after the infection decided to get the shot because they have no desire to go through that again.

Now. Half of them have not yet gotten the shot. But in my view, they do nto have to yet.. The choice is up to them as they already had it.

Since I had it, I am not getting the booster.. At least not now. I do not think I need it after being positive not to long agao.

 

[Deborah_]

Wow! Do you hear yourself? You know several people who got COVID after being vaccinated and you still believe the vaccine is worth it? Goes to show the effectiveness of indoctrination.

Vaccines are not supposed to make symptoms less. Vaccines are supposed to make one immune to the disease! How do you KNOW these people would have had severe symptoms if not for the vaccine?

Raincoats don't keep off 100% of the rain - but most of us nevertheless wear raincoats when it's raining. Seatbelts don't save 100% of lives in accidents (because some accidents are non-survivable even with a seatbelt) - but most of us still think it's worth wearing a seatbelt when driving. Whether or not something is "worth it" doesn't depend on it having an efficacy of 100%.

Now to vaccines... NO vaccine (of any kind) is 100% effective (because there are always some people whose immune systems don't respond, for one reason or another). So how effective does a vaccine have to be to make it worth having? Depends on how serious the disease is, what the risks of the vaccine are, and other circumstances. It's well known that only 1% of people who catch Covid get significantly unwell - but when the population of the whole world is being exposed to it for the first time, 1% of people is an awful lot of people - more than enough to overwhelm health services (which in itself leads to thousands of unnecessary deaths, not only from Covid but also from cancer, heart attacks, etc.). As far as my personal risk is concerned, my actual chances of getting Covid may be statistically low (and the chance of being seriously ill even lower), but the potential for death/ lengthy hospitalisation in ICU / long Covid is bad enough for me to prefer not to run those risks if I can help it. Since the risks of having the vaccine are less than the risks of having Covid, give me the vaccine! The vaccine doesn't abolish all risk, but it reduces it to a level that I find acceptable.

And immunity isn't an "all-or-nothing" thing. Even strong immunity can be overwhelmed by a very large dose of the bug (I'm not talking just about Covid, but infections in general). If vaccination means getting mild illness instead of severe illness, I reckon it's still worth having. On an individual level, there's no way of knowing how bad the infection would have been without the vaccine; but at a population level, the statistics show that vaccines really are making a big difference to a lot of people.

 

[Wrangler]

Raincoats don't keep off 100% of the rain - but most of us nevertheless wear raincoats when it's raining.

Most people tend not to wear a raincoat when it's sunny skies even if there is more than 0% chance of rain.

Beyond that, you are giving some credit for the vaccine to prevent people from getting it when all the talk is how it reduces symptoms.

Like global warming, none of this is about "the science" but Leftist politicians attempting to leverage this to get power over others. Socialism. An idea so good, it has to be mandatory.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When people look at Data, They need to research all of the data, Not just the ones that support their view.

For example.

1000 people may get covid. And only 10 die (that is a 99% survivaL rate)

However, When we look closer. We see particular group of people who had a medical condition and an age group had this data

Medical condition. Out of 1o positives, 7 died That is a 70 % death rate, all 10 had serious adverse effects and spent time on a ventilator

Age group - out of 5 positives - 3 died that is a 60% death rate, and again 100 % spent time in ICU

If your in one of these 2 groups. You better not just say 0.1 % of the people get seriously ill and or die so you have no worry. You better do something. Because you have a greater risk of serious illness death then the general population

The conspiracists want you to see that .1 % do not even get ill. But they refuse to look at the data which states there are certain groups at a larger than average risk of getting the disease. And these people need to take careful consideration in what they do..

 

[Wrangler]

Because you have a greater risk of dining then the general population

Today is my Birthday. I definitely have greater risk of dining than the general population today.

 

[Wrangler]

1000 people may get covid. And only 10 die (that is a 99% survivaL rate)

However, When we look closer. We see particular group of people who had a medical condition and an age group had this data

Right. So, only those vulnerable need to concern themselves.

It's tyrannical to impose quarantines on the healthy.

 

[GaryAnderson]

When people look at Data, They need to research all of the data, Not just the ones that support their view.

For example.

1000 people may get covid. And only 10 die (that is a 99% survivaL rate)

However, When we look closer. We see particular group of people who had a medical condition and an age group had this data

Medical condition. Out of 1o positives, 7 died That is a 70 % death rate, all 10 had serious adverse effects and spent time on a ventilator

Age group - out of 5 positives - 3 died that is a 60% death rate, and again 100 % spent time in ICU

If your in one of these 2 groups. You better not just say 0.1 % of the people get seriously ill and or die so you have no worry. You better do something. Because you have a greater risk of serious illness death then the general population

The conspiracists want you to see that .1 % do not even get ill. But they refuse to look at the data which states there are certain groups at a larger than average risk of getting the disease. And these people need to take careful consideration in what they do..

No no, you don’t understand. Conspiracy theorists, simply reject all the data and replace it with an agenda. The agenda here is that the liberal one-world government is KILLING all the people with this vaccine and committing an atrocity worse than The Holocaust.
I mean, talk about NEXT-LEVEL!

 

[Wrangler]

The stats I posted indicate that non-vaccinated are much more likely to be hospitalized from a Covid infection. So no that is not correct.

It is correct. You continue to confound probability with absolutes. The issue is not about probability but who makes health care decisions, the State or the individual.

Used to be 'my body, my choice' but we are living in tyrannical times.