Eternal Security

[Cooper]

Is that not a title referring to how God became a man, by being born here?

That is the commonly held view, but there appears to be more to it.

Son Of Man, The - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
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[dad]

That is the commonly held view, but there appears to be more to it.

Son Of Man, The - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
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That linked seemed to be dry and basically say nothing that I could see. Maybe there is a point somewhere in it that you could offer.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No US Judge, declares a man NOT CONVICTED of an accused crime...
“INNOCENT”. They ONLY declare...”guilty or not guilty”.

Justification is the lack of finding “guilt”, and thus they are “Justified” to release the individual without negative “consequences”


Agree.

If you declair a person not guilty, you are declaring them innocent.

When you find them not guilty, you release them from the debt they would owe if they were found guilty.

 

[Taken]

An important aspect of justification is about imputed righteousness. 1 Corinthians 1.30.

Sure.
God Offers, Men can elect to Receive or Reject His Offerings.
Man who elects to Receive Gods Offering, becomes “Justified” to be WITH God forever. ^ 5 yeah...Amen and Glory to God.

 

[farouk]

If you declair a person not guilty, you are declaring them innocent.

When you find them not guilty, you release them from the debt they would owe if they were found guilty.

@Eternally Grateful As regards justification by faith and imputed righteousness, and also Psalm 32.2:

"Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile."

....some students of the Word have seen what may relate to what they call the active and passive obedience of Christ, in the light of His obedience unto death, even the death of the Cross (Philippians 2.8).

What is imputed and what is not imputed.

 

[Taken]

If you declair a person not guilty, you are declaring them innocent.

When you find them not guilty, you release them from the debt they would owe if they were found guilty.

No, there is no declaration by a Judge of “Innocent”. Declaring IS SAYING. Attorneys, and the individual and the individuals supporters can all claim “innocence”...but A verdict will never say, “innocent”.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, there is no declaration by a Judge of “Innocent”. Declaring IS SAYING. Attorneys, and the individual and the individuals supporters can all claim “innocence”...but A verdict will never say, “innocent”.

Semantics my friend

lets not cause division over semenatics

 

[Taken]

Semantics my friend

lets not cause division over semenatics

Facts. What is Official, what is Hearsay.

 

[GodsGrace]

So you’re one of those that believes Gods power IN you failed, and you can still sin against God?




That is correct. Never Again can I Stand Against God.



Splitting hairs. Either you do or you do not forgive men of sin.

Yes. I believe I still sin, as both Jesus and John have stated that I can.

If you think you never sin,,,who am I to argue that with you?

I forgive men for what they've done to me.
If it is a sin against God,,,God must forgive that sin, not me.

 

[GodsGrace]

I read what you wrote. You contradict yourself.

I'm more than sure I didn't....
but you can believe what you will.

 

[GodsGrace]

So far the only thing I'm really seeing that we disagree about is what Justification is exactly.

I believe our justification in Christ has made the body dead, has created a new spirit, one that is born from God, who now lives in this shell of the dead man. The dead man's imprint is on this shell, and that's what we have to deal with. We use the dead man's brain to think with, but it keeps wanting to think the dead man's way.

C.S. Lewis compared it to piloting a ship. You need a skilled pilot, AND a sound ship. I'm more like an unskilled pilot with a wrecked ship.

We are alive in Christ, not in flesh. As He is, so are we in this world. We live in Christ, but our bodies are that ship we use to navigate this world.

I believe we are alive from the dead, in union with God, made righteous and holy, and are in the process of learning how to overcome our fleshy dead mind with our living spirit Christ mind on a more consistent basis.

Much love!

I agree with all.
Maybe you have somewhat of a wrecked ship...
but God is the pilot and He's leading you.
Think of yourself as a child of God instead...
John 1:2
Galatians 3:26

I also like CS Lewis.

 

[Taken]

That is the commonly held view, but there appears to be more to it.

Agree.

God BECAME A MAN?....
....probably a widely held view.
God EXERCISED His POWER...
....to appear in the “LIKENESS AS A MAN”.

And BTW, Scripture informs us, “unknown to us, angels appear in the likeness as men”. Surely if Created spirits have such power, and all power is derived from God, who IS Spirit... Just saying.

Phil 2:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[farouk]

Agree.

God BECAME A MAN?....
....probably a widely held view.
God EXERCISED His POWER...
....to appear in the “LIKENESS AS A MAN”.

And BTW, Scripture informs us, “unknown to us, angels appear in the likeness as men”. Surely if Created spirits have such power, and all power is derived from God, who IS Spirit... Just saying.

Phil 2:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Glory to God,
Taken

@Taken The Incarnation is indeed so Scriptural: John 1.14; 1 Timothy 3.16....

 

[Taken]

Yes. I believe I still sin,

You can have Gods Spirit IN you and still wavering in belief in God?
I Never learned that from Scripture.

as both Jesus and John have stated that I can.

Are you sure Jesus and John were speaking to a Converted Person?

 

[Taken]

@Taken The Incarnation is indeed so Scriptural: John 1.14; 1 Timothy 3.16....

It is the difference between WHAT was INTENDED TO “APPEAR” LIKE...
And to KNOW what “APPEARS LIKE”...IS “ACTUALLY” a Spiritual thing.

Earthly Men can NOT SEE GOD. Period.
Jesus’ BODY was INTENDED for men TO SEE.
Jesus’ BODY was not OF an act OF “human PROCREATION”.
Jesus’ BODY was “PREPARED” by God, for when He came into the world.
YES his BODY was FLESH, APPEARED as “human flesh”...
Does anything tell you it was “HUMAN FLESH”? No.
Earthly men (called humans) come from the earth.
Jesus came from Heaven.

Seriously, MEN “APPEAR” as WOMEN. They can call themselves a woman. Other people can SEE how they “APPEAR”, and call them a woman.
Does their “appearance” MAKE them a “WOMAN”? No.

Jesus took UPON HIMSELF...
Which means, what was “UNDER” what Jesus took upon Himself...REMAINED “unseen” to the eyes of Human men.

2 Phil
5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

The BODY IS the FORM.
What is Christ Jesus’ FORM....? Same as OF GOD.

Can men SEE Gods FORM...? No.

[7] But made himself of no reputation...

What IS Christ Jesus’ “reputation”?
His body is the same form as Gods......UNSEEN
His power is the same as Gods....ie IS the Christ.

...and took upon him the form of a servant,
(When He took UPON himself ... don’t forget what IS “himself”, under the Form He took UPON himself)

... and was made in the likeness of men:
(Expectation for men to SEE ... a man looking thing ... (not an angel, not an animal...but the likeness as a man).

[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

I said nothing about disagreeing with His “incarnation” in the flesh.
He absolutely DID appear in the Likeness as an Earthly Flesh Bodily man.
Scripture informs us God expressly “prepared” a BODY for Jesus, for WHEN He would be sent to Earth, to Teach men, face to face, Gods Truth.

Prepared Body...
Spiritual thing...ie holy thing.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Luke 1[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[marks]

Think of yourself as a child of God instead...

Absolutely!

Much love!

 

[marks]

I agree with all.

Then how in the world could all that ever be turned back? And why would it be? That makes zero sense to me. And especially considering the certainty of these passages. Reborn is forever.

Much love!

 

[Cooper]

That linked seemed to be dry and basically say nothing that I could see. Maybe there is a point somewhere in it that you could offer.

I was wondering how the first man could have a son, and how Adam's son could be Lord of the Sabbath. After a good night's sleep, I am thinking Jesus was telling those with ears to hear that Son speaks of beginnings, and he was the first Adam, the Alpha and Omega, who had nowhere to lay his head before creation. At the same time he was Lord of the Sabbath, this being the seventh day, and he was there from the beginning, the Lord of heaven and earth. Any thoughts?
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[dad]

I was wondering how the first man (Adam) could have a son, and how Adam's son could be Lord of the Sabbath. After a good night's sleep I am thinking Jesus was telling those with ears to hear that he was the first Adam, the Alpha and Omega, who had nowhere to lay his head before creation. At the same time he was Lord of the Sabbath, this being the seventh day, and He was there from beginning to end. Any thoughts?
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I think the bible says Jesus was the second Adam. Through one man death entered the world and through the Man Jesus, death was defeated.

 

[Cooper]

I think the bible says Jesus was the second Adam. Through one man death entered the world and through the Man Jesus, death was defeated.

OK. So Jesus is the second Adam, and also the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, so do you think one is a reference to his spiritual pre-existence before his birth on earth? In other words, who was the first Adam?

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(1Co 15:45-46 KJV)

15:48 Of the two men mentioned in verse 45, Jesus was the second. He existed from all eternity, but as Man, he came after Adam. He came from heaven, and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.
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