If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[Eternally Grateful]

What Israel? The fake one we have now?

fake one? God knows where Israel is, it is not up to me to determine who or is not the truth physical descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Its not up to you either.

I know one thing. DANIEL WAS NOT PRAYING FOR GENTILES. so he is NOT talking about gentiles ending their sin.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Let's get political, just for a moment. Are most Democrats anti-Semitic? Obama and Biden are ... Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary.
Is it fair to generalize and say these people and those who follow and support these people are also socialist, in agreement with the New World Order, the Global Warming agenda, the Greay Reset, BLM, Antifa, open borders and abortion?
There is a stark divide in our country and the world.
These fueled ideologies are the cause of our problems today.
I find in the Christian forums? that the one's whom I disagree most with are in this camp, the liberal Democrats.
I could be wrong but let me just ask Pittsburghjoe, Apak, Davy, Reggie: Are y'all Democrats?
I am also curious if the Non-Trinitarians and Amillennialists are Dems as well?
Not trying to derail thread, just a yes or no answer would be fine. I just see so much division out there that seems to also affect the Christians as well.

To care about politics is to give in to the beast system.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If physical Jerusalem already faced Final Judgment, is the Nation of Israel a deception to get Christians to support what JESUS Fulfilled?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I am not the one blind my friend.

both were promised.

God promised all nations that through christ the spiritual will come, and he promised one family of people (a nation) physical land. Whether you agree with that or not my problem.

I have shown the actual passages to you. where physical land was promised. If you can't accept that. then there is really nothing more that can be said

You keep pretending that 70 A.D. didn't happen. How can physical land be forever when Jews didn't live there for so long?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If physical Jerusalem already faced Final Judgment, is the Nation of Israel a deception to get Christians to support what JESUS Fulfilled?

Lev 26 does not offer final judgment with no hope of repentance, It states even after the final judgment, Israel can still repent, and God will remember his promise.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You keep pretending that 70 A.D. didn't happen. How can physical land be forever when Jews didn't live there for so long?

I do?

70 happened because of lev 26.

Assyria happened because of lev 26

Babylon happened because of Lev 26.

All are said to happen as a last deterrence against disobedience.

Lev 26 offers a chance of repentance and restoral even AFTER the final discipline. Dan 9 states that there will come a day when Israel makes and end of her sin. That is when the fulfillment will take place.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I do?

70 happened because of lev 26.

Assyria happened because of lev 26

Babylon happened because of Lev 26.

All are said to happen as a last deterrence against disobedience.

Lev 26 offers a chance of repentance and restoral even AFTER the final discipline. Dan 9 states that there will come a day when Israel makes and end of her sin. That is when the fulfillment will take place.

So GOD remembered the land ...except the land that the physical Temple sits on? weird.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So GOD remembered the land ...except the land that the physical Temple sits on? weird.

there was no physical temple on the land when it was given. And in fact. most of the time. there was never a temple there.

So not sure what your trying to say,. Its not about the temple. God did not promise a temple. He promised them land.

Lev 26 is not about a future spiritual jerusalem.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

there was no physical temple on the land when it was given. And in fact. most of the time. there was never a temple there.

So not sure what your trying to say,. Its not about the temple. God did not promise a temple. He promised them land.

Lev 26 is not about a future spiritual jerusalem.

Weird how they got the land back without a way to uphold The Covenant that is over. You don't get it, JESUS is their answer. You are pretending that He is not.

 

[Timtofly]

Not sure what this means

Abraham was promised his descendants would receive the land he physically walked on.

But abraham looked to the land he would see at the end of time.

these are two different places. All people are promised the second, eternal abode in heaven who come to faith of any nation (in you shall all the nations of the earth be blessed) through Christ.

The land Abraham walked on was promised only to a selct group of people through only one of abrahams offspring (Isaac) and through one of Isaacs sons (Jacob) and all 12 of Jacob's sons and their offspring as a gift forever. Forever is still going today. Gods gift is irrevocable. so his promise still stands.

As a redeemed blood bought soul, you will live in Paradise. During the Millennial reign on earth, Israel will live in the Promised Land on earth. Many people living on earth.

Abraham and you will still live in Paradise. That is the heavenly city. You cannot live both in Paradise and on earth at the same time.

If you accept both Paradise and Israel on earth, that is two separate and distinct places. You cannot live in both places at the same time.

Paradise is going to come down to the new earth, but only after the NHNE. Paradise is not going to empty out ever. It will just change locations. Then you can live in the New Jerusalem and on earth at the same time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Weird how they got the land back without a way to uphold The Covenant that is over. You don't get it, JESUS is their answer. You are pretending that He is not.

You keep talking about a covenant

I am talking about a passage of scripture

God said if they repent he will remember the land.

That is in reference to the abrahamic covenant.

That covenant is NOT OVER..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As a redeemed blood bought soul, you will live in Paradise. During the Millennial reign on earth, Israel will live in the Promised Land on earth. Many people living on earth.

Abraham and you will still live in Paradise. That is the heavenly city. You cannot live both in Paradise and on earth at the same time.

If you accept both Paradise and Israel on earth, that is two separate and distinct places. You cannot live in both places at the same time.

Paradise is going to come down to the new earth, but only after the NHNE. Paradise is not going to empty out ever. It will just change locations. Then you can live in the New Jerusalem and on earth at the same time.

not sure how the millenium got into this discussion. or me and abraham

This is about physical people who are living on earth at any given time.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You keep talking about a covenant

I am talking about a passage of scripture

God said if they repent he will remember the land.

That is in reference to the abrahamic covenant.

That covenant is NOT OVER..

Unbelievable

Tell me, how are Jews upholding their side of The Covenant?

 

[Timtofly]

Oh, JESUS didn't end sins? WHAT???

You still sin, no?

How about not having to sin ever? Getting rid of the whole sin nature phenomenon. Getting rid of sin period. If you think sin ended, I hate to see what actual sin is like. Current alledged sin is pretty horrible.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You keep talking about a covenant

I am talking about a passage of scripture

God said if they repent he will remember the land.

That is in reference to the abrahamic covenant.

That covenant is NOT OVER..

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.


Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? IT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSIONS, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You still sin, no?

How about not having to sin ever? Getting rid of the whole sin nature phenomenon. Getting rid of sin period. If you think sin ended, I hate to see what actual sin is like. Current alledged sin is pretty horrible.

What? No. What are you doing if you are not upholding the Reborn Holy Image? physical sins are over, the battle is in the mind.

 

[Timtofly]

not sure how the millenium got into this discussion. or me and abraham

This is about physical people who are living on earth at any given time.

Umm, the thread title?

What kingdom on earth were you posting about, that has not happened yet?

People on earth are not currently living in any kingdom mentioned in Scripture. That was my point. You cannot live in two places at the same time. Either you are here on earth, or already in that heavenly city.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What did modern day Jews do to claim GOD gave them that land of Israel? Did they Repent through JESUS to hold The Covenant of Abraham? no.

 

[Timtofly]

What? No. What are you doing if you are not upholding the Reborn Holy Image? physical sins are over, the battle is in the mind.

If it is still a battle, you have no point.

It was always in the mind. Eve thought about it. Yet she was not even the human who disobeyed God. Sin will not be over, until all of Adam's offspring are dead.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unbelievable

Tell me, how are Jews upholding their side of The Covenant?

the abrahamic covenant?

There is no condition.

The condition is ONLY as for whether they get to use their own property. or if someone else gets to enjoy it.

They are being punished today. and have been since ad 70. so what is your beef?