Should Christians Always Be Healed?

[Faithbuilders]

But my question is, are your automatically healed through prayer when you get sick? If not, then where is your faith? Aren't you judging someone's faith, when your faith is at the same level?

No, I am not judging, my faith is weaker in some areas, but God does expect our faith to grow!

This my sound confusing, but, yes, you are healed when you pray; the manifestation of your healing may or may not take some time to go away. That is the reason God told us to keep standing, and fight the good fight of faith!

By the way, my faith is still growing in the area of healing also!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Jesus took our sickness, healed us by His stripes, redeemed us from all sickness in the law... If he took them, why should we take them back!

If you are teaching that Christian believers should automatically be instantly healed as the result of prayer or laying on of hands, how come it doesn't happen to you when you get a cold, a headache, or pull a muscle while digging the garden? Paul said in Romans 3, "If you are teaching others, are you teaching yourself as well?"

 

[Paul Christensen]

No, I am not judging, my faith is weaker in some areas, but God does expect our faith to grow!

This my sound confusing, but, yes, you are healed when you pray; the manifestation of your healing may or may not take some time to go away. That is the reason God told us to keep standing, and fight the good fight of faith!

By the way, my faith is still growing in the area of healing also!

That is a dangerous teaching. Many have died needlessly because they were prayed for and then told they were healed. So they stopped taking their medication and did not return to the doctor. As a result, what was a treatable condition caused their deaths. When Jesus or Paul prayed for a sick person, they were totally healed on the spot. They didn't have to tell the people they were healed. The total disappearance of the symptoms or disability spoke for itself.

If you are teaching that people are healed as the result of prayer in spite of the symptoms of the condition still remaining, then what do you do when you have a serious medical condition and prayer doesn't do anything? Do you stop taking medication? Do you keep away from the doctor? What happens when your condition gets worse and life threatening and you end up in hospital fighting for your life? Would you think that your teaching of healing "by faith" is valid, seeing that it doesn't actually work for you?

It is one thing teaching others, and quite another putting your own teaching into practice for yourself.

 

[Hidden In Him]

There are many books written to guarantee the "right" formula for healing, but putting their instructions into practice doesn't achieve the result they promise. Even a healing manual that said that if we do it exactly how Jesus did it would achieve the desired result, actually didn't. So what does this show us? That there is no guaranteed formula that sidesteps the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit.

This is my primary argument on the issue as well. Formulas and absolutes are the problem, as they negate the need for discernment and knowing the specific will of God in each individual situation.

I should be getting back into this thread tomorrow, and I have some responses to some of the things you stated elsewhere. I think you miss the mark in a few other cases, but have some interesting things to say in others. We can get to it then. Thanks for contributing to the thread. I appreciate it.

 

[Hidden In Him]

@Faithbuilders I am unsure if you ever saw this, you went to work, but I was curious what your response would be to sickness being used as judgement. Like with Ananias and Sapphira having breathed their last. Or in regards to this passage.

I believe God's will is always to heal, but what do you believe in regards to correction/judgement. Does God use sickness?

I have agreed with everything you have said so far regarding healing, so was curious what your answer would be.

I think my argument is particularly tough to answer. I had asked him about it myself several pages ago, and he declined then as well. But a non-answer means they at least might be thinking about it.

 

[amigo de christo]

The common cold? No. We usually already know (or figure out pretty quickly) when it's something like that.

But you bring up a good point. It's when we think it could a serious case of Covid or something potentially terminal or disabling that we need to figure out what's going on, and resist it.

That's another thing. Some may teach different but staying free of milder ailments is not the easiest thing to do, and when they get there they may stay a little while. I no longer get sick often (maybe once every third year or so now), but poison ivy makes a run at me every single year. Not fun. But I know how to deal with it better all the time. I mean aside from scratching like a dog night and day until it goes away.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I am saddened you have not witnessed Gods glory in weakness

I don't see this the same. And I don't see the behaviors connected either.

It is extremely dangerous to say Christians should always be healed because it implies Christians are entitled to it.

I'm going to tag a few of you guys here to show you why faith that God can heal is important. I don't know this brother well, but maybe some of you do. Anyway, he seems to be despairing of life, and if you read my response in this thread, I think that is the more proper way to view the onset of sickness, so as not to give up hope. The Faith position does not simply roll over. It will accept things if it does all it can and healing never comes, but it fights against the enemy to the last breathe unless otherwise told not to.

6 Days Of Covid. A Real Test of my Faith!

 

[Hidden In Him]

LoL! For future reference, why were you posting that here?

 

[Mayflower]

I think my argument is particularly tough to answer. I had asked him about it myself several pages ago, and he declined then as well. But a non-answer means they at least might be thinking about it.

I think after a hundred pages when you come back from work, a question is really hard to find and can be skipped over. Especially when you want to catch up on the discussion.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think after a hundred pages when you come back from work, a question is really hard to find and can be skipped over. Especially when you want to catch up on the discussion.

Possibly, only he answered everyone else, and there was another one of my arguments where he declined to respond as well. But you are correct. Maybe he just hadn't had time to think it over yet. I was waiting for his response.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That is a very good question although it may not be related to what Paul told Timothy about the healing effects of wine.
1. Had it not been for the pleading of Mary the mother of Jesus, Christ would not have done this, His first miracle. His time had not yet come.
2. At the same time, knowing all things, He saw this as an opportunity to "manifest His glory" (and divine power) so that His disciples would truly believe in Him as the Messiah.
3. He told the servants to fill those large pots to the brim with water so that there would be no doubt that it was water which was turned into wine. A firkin is about 9 gallons, so 3 x 9 x 6 water pots = 162 gallons. Christ did not touch those pots, but asked the servants to draw out the wine.
4. Since the miracle was instantaneous this was what the Bible calls "new wine" (tirosh) in the OT (unfermented wine) and what we would call grape juice. However, it was extraordinary in its quality.
5. The fact that Christ attended the marriage feast means that God Himself approves of lawful marriage, and the Bible says that wine gladdens the heart.
6. John tells us the significance of this miracle in John 2:11: This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Thank you for answering. Concerning this thread …when I first had numbness and memory loss which later turned out to be lesions in my brain. I was terrified of the “MS” they kept tossing at me. For over a year all I did was read His word every day asking the same question over and over, same as this thread: does God want every one healed? I had all those healing verses taped to my walls upstairs. I even looked up faith healers, their ages at death, deflated when it would be not what I had hoped for.

The verse where Paul says that to Timothy still baffles me. the question being: why? I get your reluctance to think it has anything to do with Jesus Christ turning the water into wine. I’m not so sure, since it was His first miracle. conSidering the blood on the doorpost and first borns Or the parting of the sea. what wine makes glad, I still ask. What wine helps with being timid? John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Again, thanks for a reply.

 

[farouk]

Thank you for answering....

@VictoryinJesus Good to see you back posting...God bless you guys this Christmas....

 

[Hidden In Him]

conSidering the blood on the doorpost and first borns Or the parting of the sea. what wine makes glad, I still ask. What wine helps with being timid? John 3:29

This is an interesting reference, Victory. Without wanting to sound "preachy," let me just respond by saying that in some cases wine symbolized the Holy Spirit, such as in the comparison with being "drunk with wine." I think it is the blessings of hearing His voice (i.e. receiving teaching and revelation from Him concerning His word and issues in your life) and being in His Presence (thru worship, prayer, etc) that brings both joy and boldness (Galatians 5:22, Ephesians 6:18-19).

 

[Berserk]

Absolutely, he was not scared of death, I am just referring to the fact that his faith prevented him from getting sick when the snake bit him, because he believed the words of Jesus.

Duh, the viper never bit Paul; he just shook it off unharmed (Acts 28:5).

 

[Hidden In Him]

Duh, the viper never bit Paul; he just shook it off unharmed (Acts 28:5).

Berserk, as my OP stated, please be respectful. Historically this is one of the most divisive debates I know of, yet this thread has been quite peaceful compared to others I've seen. Please abide by the rues of the OP.

Thanks

 

[marks]

he just shook it off unharmed (Acts 28:5).

To me this is the act of faith, the sign of a trusting spirit. No matter what it looks like, just shake it off and keep on with your work.

I suppose we can get all worked up over, Oh will He heal my arm???? Will He?? Won't He?? Should I be faithing for my healing or not?

He just shook it off and went on.

That's more my take on things, I don't need all the dramatics, I can ask, and when God heals, I know it was His will, and when He doesn't, I know it wasn't.

I guess there's the tendency like with so many other things to want to make this all emotional and confrontational, take up those spiritual arms!! I've got a cold!!

In quietness and trust is our strength. I get the feeling some aren't feeling that strength, and need to "get more involved". If He does, He does, and if He doesn't, He doesn't.

It sound's like some people feel the need to get all worked up inside to make sure they are trusting enough, but I see that trusting as the quiet assurance inside. I suppose if that doesn't sound like it's good enough, maybe that's the one who lacks that confidence, and replaces it with fervor?

Maybe this is the winner post for me . . . He just shook it off and continued what he was doing. That to me is faith.

Much love!

 

[marks]

God's children do a lot of things He doesn't intend for us to walk in. Romans 12:1-2

We won't get sick or hurt if we obey God?

Much love!

 

[marks]

maybe you or @Backlit can help with what is the significance of: Jesus Christ first miracle being the jugs of water made wine? I mean, why did He turn water into wine?

A miracle of creation. Jesus is the Creator.

Much love!

 

[Mayflower]

We won't get sick or hurt if we obey God?

Much love!

Yes. There are other peoples' wills and it is a fallen world. But healing is available. It just isn't instant like a miracle would be. There is a time for everything though. I think it is easier to receive healing when one is walking and believing in the Word of God.

 

[Berserk]

I merely pointed out the false claim that Paul was bitten by the snake.

The Word of Faith movement, though sadly misguided, draws attention to the main reason why many intelligent skeptics say they reject Christianity--that Christianity doesn't deliver on its promise. The discrepancy between the miracles implied by Jesus' faith promises and the harsh reality that almost none of us have seen the diabetic or the blind healed, etc. must be more effectively addressed. It is woefully inadequate, for example, to say sometimes God says Yes, sometimes He says No, and sometimes He says Wait. That simplistic answer creates the impression that diabetics and the blind are often healed in response to faith-filled prayer. Harsh reality suggests one of 2 regrettable conclusions: either most Christians have no clue on how to exercise effective healing faith or it is rarely God's will to answer petitions that require real miracles. Neither conclusion is conducive to preventing many a faith crisis.