Israel and prophecy

[Desire Of All Nations]

How many times do we need to repost this passage?

Ez 37:
15 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 16 “As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17 Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.

18 “And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not show us what you mean by these?’— 19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

Blindly posting passages without knowing what they're teaching doesn't automatically make you right. It makes you at best, illiterate. At worst, it makes you ignorant. The fact that you posted these passages actually prove what i posted, otherwise prophecy wouldn't mention them as being separate kingdoms that God would eventually unite back into being 1 nation.

I say this in the nicest possible way, but you are lacking an incredible amount of common sense. Before you can understand what is being taught, you have to know the modern identities of the house of Israel, Ephraim, Joseph, and Judah firxt. There is a code here that needs to be deciphered before it can be understood. You know how that works, do you?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Five Types of Bible Prophecy:

1) Local Prophecy

These would include Noah's flood, or Jonah's visit to the people of Nineveh. Maybe that old time king who saw his shadow move backwards, and Moses' dealings with Pharaoh and the curses of Egypt..

2) Messianic Prophecy

These had to do specifically with our Lord's first Visitation. Like Isaiah 52

He Was Pierced for Our Transgressions
Behold, my servant shall act wisely;
he shall be high and lifted up,
and shall be exalted.

As many were astonished at you—
his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance,
and his form beyond that of the children of mankind—
so shall he sprinklec many nations.

Kings shall shut their mouths because of him,
for that which has not been told them they see,
and that which they have not heard they understand.​

3) Day of the Lord Prophecy

Very peculiar in their structure. Like Isaiah 13. John MacArthur calls them near/far prophecies. In a Day of the Lord Prophecy the prophet can begin in an ancient Day of the Lord event to do with the Babylonians, and then can seem to peer down through the millennia to the final and ultimate Day of the Lord event that will include all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

4) Judaic Prophecy

These are conditional in nature. Prophecies that pertained specifically to ancient Israel. If you do this, then I will do that. If they put away the bodies of their dead kings, then show them the plan of the Temple.

"If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. All these blessings will come on you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God​

5) Apocalyptic Prophecy

Apocalyptic Prophesy has unique characteristics. These end time prophecies hold to chronological order. Each of these have a beginning point in time, and an ending point in time. In Revelation, when that chronological order is broken, and the subject matter changes, a new prophecy will begin. There are 17 Apocalyptic prophecies, and 18 prophetic time periods, in the Books of Daniel and Revelation.

I also think Matthew 24, Mark 13 and maybe 2 Thessalonians 2 would fit the criteria of this end time type of prophecy.


“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight

and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and
If you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

Then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”

The mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Peaceful Sabbath.

As an observation, as well as 5 types of prophecy there are 3 categories:

• Fulfilled
• Unfulfilled
• False

 

[Keraz]

As an observation, as well as 5 types of prophecy there are 3 categories:

• Fulfilled
• Unfulfilled
• False

Only the first two are Biblical.
The Prophesies about ancient Israel and Judah, then about the first Advent of Jesus, can be easily ascertained.
ALL the rest remain to be fulfilled. I view most of Bible Prophecy as pertaining to the soon to happen end times and we are the generation who will see it all!
Read and understand; or remain in the dark.

 

[Davy]

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God's not coming back to start up Old Israel again, put away your Herbert Armstrong and your Hal Lindsey material, the veil is rent already. They're just there now to hold up the sign that reads 1535 and 1969, 7 and 62, the two most recent decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

Most of the people on here are trying to mix the OT end time prophecies with the Daniel/Revelation narrative. Yes there are parallels, but also anomalies, and in the end they just don't mix. There will be endless confusion when we try mixing the wine skins up.

You went off Scripture when you said, "God's not coming back to start up Old Israel again...".

That is exactly... what He is going to do in our near future, just not the old rebellious Israel, but His Israel He ordained all along being faithful to Him only.

And the Book of Daniel definitely... has much end time prophecy in it that correlates directly with Christ's Book of Revelation. Your 'matter-of-factly' attitude doesn't make you correct.

Ezekiel's Gog/Magog is not the same as the Revelation version. If Ezekiel's Gog/Magog was going to happen, it would have happened already a long time ago. The end result will be the same: ie: camp of God's People surrounded prior to the wicked being destroyed, but the Revelation version will not have us burying those dead for seven years and burning their weapons.

If you mean the Gog Magog event at the end of Revelation 20 is not the same event of Ezekiel 38-39, then I agree. Otherwise, the Ezekiel 38 Gog Magog event is to occur immediately prior to the last day of this present world, with Jesus' 2nd coming; He is Who will end it causing those northern armies coming upon Israel a hailstone defeat. The only nation in that Ezekiel 38 alignment today that is not joined yet is Turkey, and Russia is definitely trying to get them to join sides with their radical Islamic allies that are against the Christian west.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Blindly posting passages without knowing what they're teaching doesn't automatically make you right. It makes you at best, illiterate. At worst, it makes you ignorant. The fact that you posted these passages actually prove what i posted, otherwise prophecy wouldn't mention them as being separate kingdoms that God would eventually unite back into being 1 nation.

I say this in the nicest possible way, but you are lacking an incredible amount of common sense. Before you can understand what is being taught, you have to know the modern identities of the house of Israel, Ephraim, Joseph, and Judah firxt. There is a code here that needs to be deciphered before it can be understood. You know how that works, do you?

Good day sir

If anyone here is lacking common sense its not me.

But I just wanted to discuss how God will bless the earth based on prophecy.

Since you refuse to discuss that. I will continue on.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You don't see evil anymore as long as King JESUS is your Savior ...otherwise ...i'm pretty sure Jews have faced evil.

Zephaniah 3:14-15
Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

The verse before it talks about a Remnant ...do you wonder why?

"The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid."


It's a Remnant that recognizes The MESSIAH as King.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Remnant is The Elect. The Spiritual Descendants of Abraham.

 

[Oseas]

Jeremiah 31:36-37
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

5) Apocalyptic Prophecy

Apocalyptic Prophesy has unique characteristics. These end time prophecies hold to chronological order. Each of these have a beginning point in time, and an ending point in time. In Revelation, when that chronological order is broken, and the subject matter changes, a new prophecy will begin. There are 17 Apocalyptic prophecies, and 18 prophetic time periods, in the Books of Daniel and Revelation.

I also think Matthew 24, Mark 13 and maybe 2 Thessalonians 2 would fit the criteria of this end time type of prophecy.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and 2 Thessalonians 2 will fulfill LITERALLY in short time.

Revelation 13:v. 11 to 14

11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb(a false lamb), and he spake as a Dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast (the Man Beast of sea) before him, and causeth the earth(Israel) and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, whose deadly wound by a Sword was healed. (the Beast of sea was healed by the false messiah of the Jews, because (he prophecy says) he gave to the Man Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority-Rev.13:v.2)

13 And he (the false messiah of the Jews, son of perdition) doeth great wonders, so that he maketh FIRE come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth(Israel) by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast; ...

(Note: When the false messiah of the Jews, the esoteric/kabbalistic/spiritist messiah, manifests himself in Israel (this event can happen in 2022/2023) making FIRE come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men (this will be seen by channel of TV-CNN and others), don't believe in his satanic pyrotechnics signs. Take care and Get ready)

JEREMIAH 30:v.23-24

23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

to gather gog and magog for battle is people and land, what if it is talking about the Nation of Israel?

Nation of Israel vs New Jerusalem

Rev 20:7-9

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2. When Israel repents. The nations will know that The god of heaven is the Lord

Ez 36: 22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

Let’s take a look at this one here, a few questions

1. Who is Israel?
2. Who profaned the name of God throughout the Nations (literally Heathen/Gentiles) wherever they went?
3. Who are the nations who will KNOW that the Lord is God
4. Who will honor the Lord before the eyes of these nations, which causes them to Know the Lord God?

 

[Davy]

to gather gog and magog for battle is people and land, what if it is talking about the Nation of Israel?

Nation of Israel vs New Jerusalem

Rev 20:7-9

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Goodness no! God forbid.

The Revelation 20:7-9 Scripture is for after... Christ had returned and only after a thousand years of His reign here on earth with His elect from that "camp of the saints" on earth (where Jerusalem is today). So no, the nation of Israel in that future time will be Christ's literal Kingdom manifested there. The Father is not part of that during that Millennial reign by Jesus and His elect. The Father is still in His Heavenly Abode, which is how God will rain fire down on Christ's enemies coming upon that camp of the saints on earth, when Satan and the nations he deceives comes upon it at that end of the thousand years.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You guys keep pretending that the current day Nation of Israel is something legitimate. Do you get that gog and magog is not two sets of people? How many times do i have to point out that they don't have the land for a new Temple? Don't you think GOD did that on purpose?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is the great falling away, people with the audacity to give the antichrist The Covenant from Daniel's 70 Weeks?

 

[Davy]

You guys keep pretending that the current day Nation of Israel is something legitimate. Do you get that gog and magog is not two sets of people? How many times do i have to point out that they don't have the land for a new Temple? Don't you think GOD did that on purpose?

God's prophecy to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim in Solomon's day, when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, giving ten tribes to Jeroboam to reign over as king of Israel:

1 Kings 11:35-36
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.
KJV

I'm not Jewish, but I recognize that prophecy about God's promise to leave one tribe (Judah) in Jerusalem for His servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake. Our Heavenly Father did say they would be a light to Him, i.e., not recognizable to us, but as a light alway before Him. And it's because He chose Jerusalem for to dwell and put His name there.

So that remnant there in today's nation state of Israel still represents the "house of Judah" remnant which first dwelt there. And that even though the majority of them there still reject our Lord Jesus Christ. The day will come when the majority will no longer reject Lord Jesus, as revealed by Apostle Paul at the end of Romans 11. So we are not to be conceited in thinking God has forgotten them, because God Himself put the spirit of slumber upon them which must first be removed for them to be 'able' to believe on Jesus.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God's prophecy to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim in Solomon's day, when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, giving ten tribes to Jeroboam to reign over as king of Israel:

1 Kings 11:35-36
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.
KJV

I'm not Jewish, but I recognize that prophecy about God's promise to leave one tribe (Judah) in Jerusalem for His servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake. Our Heavenly Father did say they would be a light to Him, i.e., not recognizable to us, but as a light alway before Him. And it's because He chose Jerusalem for to dwell and put His name there.

So that remnant there in today's nation state of Israel still represents the "house of Judah" remnant which first dwelt there. And that even though the majority of them there still reject our Lord Jesus Christ. The day will come when the majority will no longer reject Lord Jesus, as revealed by Apostle Paul at the end of Romans 11. So we are not to be conceited in thinking God has forgotten them, because God Himself put the spirit of slumber upon them which must first be removed for them to be 'able' to believe on Jesus.

if there is tribe there it is Dan.

You act like there were Jews there before 1948. GOD is obviously Talking about New Jerusalem from out of Heaven.

 

[Davy]

if there is tribe there it is Dan.

You act like there were Jews there before 1948. GOD is obviously Talking about New Jerusalem from out of Heaven.

No, the tribe our Heavenly Father was pointing to was the tribe of Judah. Solomon's son Rehoboam, of the house of David, of the tribe of JUDAH, still reigned as "king of Judah" after that split of 1 Kings 11. All one need do is not be lazy and keep reading there past 1 Kings 11.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No, the tribe our Heavenly Father was pointing to was the tribe of Judah. Solomon's son Rehoboam, of the house of David, of the tribe of JUDAH, still reigned as "king of Judah" after that split of 1 Kings 11. All one need do is not be lazy and keep reading there past 1 Kings 11.

it's like you are blind or something. Of course King JESUS is from the Tribe of Judah. WAKE UP.

You are deceived starting with the 70 Weeks of Daniel ...it all starts there. Look at it again and try and see how the antichrist is not involved. The 70 Weeks are over. GOD doesn't extend His Prophecy Times.

 

[Davy]

it's like you are blind or something. Of course King JESUS is from the Tribe of Judah. WAKE UP.

You are deceived starting with the 70 Weeks of Daniel ...it all starts there. Look at it again and try and see how the antichrist is not involved. The 70 Weeks are over. GOD doesn't extend His Prophecy Times.

No, it's obvious that YOU are the one here that is blind.

I answered your post where YOU said we guys think that today's nation state of Israel is something legitimate. It is... according to our Heavenly Father. You've just been LAZY in His Word obviously never having read His prophecy in 1 Kings 11 that I showed you.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No, it's obvious that YOU are the one here that is blind.

I answered your post where YOU said we guys think that today's nation state of Israel is something legitimate. It is... according to our Heavenly Father. You've just been LAZY in His Word obviously never having read His prophecy in 1 Kings 11 that I showed you.

legitimate sans a way to uphold their end of a Covenant ...what?

Take a closer look at the Tribe of Dan, they are excluded from The Book of Revelation.

Revelation 7 :: King James Version (KJV)

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Proverbs 30:27
New King James Version
The locusts have no king, Yet they all advance in ranks;