We are dropping the pentagram.

[Edward Gordon]

While the old Veridican Church logo had a pentagram in the center. The officers of Veridican Church, Inc., and myself have decided to return to the original Veridican cross and replace the pentagram. The pentagram represented the Star of Bethlehem, but it's just too difficult to keep explaining that when to most people it looks Satanic or Wiccan. Besides, The cover of the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ has the cross on it and we want to stay in uniform with that.

Here's what our church logo now looks like:

 

[amigo de christo]

Now drop the ariel projection and the claim that we ARE CHRIST .
And pick up the bible and learn and grow .
We are NOT CHRIST , we are OF CHRIST .

 

[Edward Gordon]

Now drop the ariel projection and the claim that we ARE CHRIST .
And pick up the bible and learn and grow .
We are NOT CHRIST , we are OF CHRIST .

We already did drop astral projection, but the bottom line is this: either you are Christ, or you perish. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Jesus. Cuz that's where I got it from. And we still practice astrology, and we still limit the canon to the Gospels, and we still canonize the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we still practice our spiritual gifts, and we are still monists. If you don't like it, it's because you're too ignorant to see the truth. That's the bottom line.

 

[Hidden In Him]

We already did drop astral projection, but the bottom line is this: either you are Christ, or you perish. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Jesus. Cuz that's where I got it from. And we still practice astrology, and we still limit the canon to the Gospels, and we still canonize the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we still practice our spiritual gifts, and we are still monists. If you don't like it, it's because you're too ignorant to see the truth. That's the bottom line.

Let's discuss your theology.

On what verses/ passages in the gospels do you base the teaching that we are Christ? Let's take a look at them together.

 

[APAK]

John 15: 1-11 for example

 

[amigo de christo]

We already did drop astral projection, but the bottom line is this: either you are Christ, or you perish. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Jesus. Cuz that's where I got it from. And we still practice astrology, and we still limit the canon to the Gospels, and we still canonize the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we still practice our spiritual gifts, and we are still monists. If you don't like it, it's because you're too ignorant to see the truth. That's the bottom line.

Then you remain in dire and grave danger . You limit the canon to only the four gospels . When in truth what the apostels wrote
actually agrees to and confirms the four gospels . You are picking and choosing .
And we are NOT CHRIST , we are simply OF CHRIST . Very deadly and very dangerous things you do teach .

 

[GaryAnderson]

Quick question. When we say “We are Christ”, what does that mean?
That we are God?

 

[Hidden In Him]

John 15:1-11 for example

Alright, then let's unpack it.

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit.
3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatsoever ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; and so shall ye be my disciples.
9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.

This passage speaks of Christ as the Vine and His disciples the branches. These are two distinct and separate entities in this passage, meaning the two remain distinct in spiritual reality as well. Yes or no?

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 KJV
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[APAK]

John 1:26 is another example of 'Being Christ.' There is no other option. Just following Christ is not sufficient. It makes one still afar from being in and being Christ - on the vine that feeds us. We must be of his same mind, of the same spirit, thus being Christ. Not that we can be exactly him of course. A common expression: 'He's just being Dad today..'..as a son does sometimes act instead of his father...​

 

[Waiting on him]

Alright, then let's unpack it.

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit.
3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatsoever ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; and so shall ye be my disciples.
9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.

This passage speaks of Christ as the Vine and His disciples the branches. These are two distinct and separate entities in this passage, meaning the two remain distinct in spiritual reality as well. Yes or no?

See post #9 for clarification

 

[APAK]

Alright, then let's unpack it.

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit.
3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatsoever ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; and so shall ye be my disciples.
9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.

This passage speaks of Christ as the Vine and His disciples the branches. These are two distinct and separate entities in this passage, meaning the two remain distinct in spiritual reality as well. Yes or no?

Either you understand these verses or not HIH. I cannot really help you. It has to come from within you, from the Spirit.

 

[Hidden In Him]

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 KJV
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

No good. Edward does not honor the epistles as the word of God.

Just following Christ is not sufficient. It makes one still afar from being in and being Christ

"Being in" and "being" Christ are two separate positions. One is Biblically sound, the other is not.

 

[Waiting on him]

Edward is off the rails.. in his doctrine he separates himself from the body, even though I am not a fan of the RCC I still acknowledge them as part of that body.

 

[Waiting on him]

No good. Edward does not honor the epistles as the word of God.


"Being in" and "being" Christ are two separate positions. One is Biblically sound, the other is not.

What can I say, we even also share in His mind.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Either you understand these verses or not HIH. I cannot really help you.

either you are Christ, or you perish.

Edward, let me ask you again then: On what verses/ passages in the gospels do you base the teaching that we are Christ?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Edward is off the rails.. in his doctrine he separates himself from the body, even though I am not a fan of the RCC I still acknowledge them as part of that body.

I would most certainly consider the apostles as part of His body, and if Edward does not consider the New Testament epistles they wrote to be the word of God then it must mean he thinks they were operating outside of it, at least in this, while he himself operates within it.

 

[DuckieLady]

either you are Christ, or you perish

Did you die on the cross? Was your blood pure enough to cleanse the sins of the world?

What in this case makes it clear to you that you are Christ?

Matthew 24:5 says this:

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

That means you're not and you can't be.

 

[Cassandra]

Matt 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Fluffers, we are on the same wavelength. :)

 

[Hidden In Him]

Matthew 24:5 says this:

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matt 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many."

Speaking of members of His body being of the same mind, Lol.