The Ones Who Are Left…

[Waiting on him]

I like your cat.

He looks like he has thyroid issues.

 

[Earburner]

^ Daniel 9:24 was specifically meant for Israel- [24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city".

The six works of God, that He was going to accomplish through Jesus, is in the remainder of vs. 24.

 

[Earburner]

What happens at the 491 offense?

Judgment of divorce! They did not know their time of visitation.

 

[Waiting on him]

Judgment of divorce! They did not know their time of visitation.

James 1:1 KJV
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

[Waiting on him]

^ Daniel 9:24 was specifically meant for Israel- [24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city".

The six works of God, that He was going to accomplish through Jesus, is in the remainder of vs. 24.

Do you have a specific church that you attend, if so what denomination are they?

 

[Curtis]

Do you see a gap between the tares being removed in Matt 13 and when the wheat is then gathered? And, if you don’t mind me asking, why is either gathering (wheat or tares) significantly removed in time from a ‘Rapture’ when these 2 classes of people, righteous and unrighteous, are said to grow together throw ‘this age’? Not ‘through the tribulation period’, but ‘this age’.

The tentative answer is the rapture is part of His second coming, and when He returns it’s in flaming fire, with the wrath of God, and He kills the tares, whatever they’re defined as, just before the saints are gathered. The scripture in some places seems to relate the tares to antichrists.

 

[Curtis]

James 1:1 KJV
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The divorce was for the spiritual adultery of the willful sins of Israel. Jeremiah 3:8.

And James is writing to Jewish Christians. Non Christian Jews go to synagogues, not to churches:

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

 

[Waiting on him]

The divorce was for the spiritual adultery of the willful sins of Israel. Jeremiah 3:8.

And James is writing to Jewish Christians. Non Christian Jews go to synagogues, not to churches:

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

What’s your opinion of post #395?
And also, you don’t believe God always forgives every offense as Jesus commanded Peter 7x70?

 

[Waiting on him]

The scripture in some places seems to relate the tares to antichrists.

They seem to have been sown.. by the wicked one.

 

[Waiting on him]

A lot of seeds sown over the last two millennia.

 

[Naomi25]

Ah... NO again! It truly is a prophetic message. It points to what I had said it pointed to, the 70 weeks of Daniel.
See KJV Matthew 18[22] Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy [70] times [X] seven [7].

I suspect your one of these fellows who refuses to countenance anything other than the KJV, and thus, further conversation might be useless, but I’ll plunge on regardless.

I’m not sure how “Until” got into your translation, but we do not see it in the Greek.

Λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Οὐ λέγω σοι ἕως ἑπτάκις ἀλλὰ ἕως ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά

Which translates to: “Says to him Jesus, Not I say to you up to seven times, but up to seven time seven”

There is no “until”. There is no reference to Daniel, to his week, or to any fulfilment of that prophecy. The context of THIS PASSAGE is about forgiveness and how often we ought to extend it in light of how it has been extended to us.

I mean…apart from your dubiously added extra word…please do attempt to show me otherwise.

 

[Naomi25]

I like your cat.

Tragically, it is not ‘my’ cat, just some random internet meme cat. But yes…it is awesome.

 

[Naomi25]

The tentative answer is the rapture is part of His second coming, and when He returns it’s in flaming fire, with the wrath of God, and He kills the tares, whatever they’re defined as, just before the saints are gathered. The scripture in some places seems to relate the tares to antichrists.

Well….I’m afraid I can’t quite make that all fit together in my head, but I don’t really have issue if you find you can!

 

[Naomi25]

He looks like he has thyroid issues.

I think the story doing the rounds about him was that he has a glass eye. Thus he makes perfect meme pics. He’s not ‘grumpy cat’, he’s ‘meme cat’.
Although…why would a cat have a glass eye? Can you imagine putting that thing IN? Giving a cat a pill is bad enough.

 

[Earburner]

Do you have a specific church that you attend, if so what denomination are they?

My first church is John 16:13, with all those who do the same. Basically I usually attend traditional Methodist and Baptist churches.

 

[Earburner]

I suspect your one of these fellows who refuses to countenance anything other than the KJV, and thus, further conversation might be useless, but I’ll plunge on regardless.
The KJV Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus Greek text.
Most of todays modern day Bibles, the
JW-NWT included, are translated from the Wescott and Hort Greek text.

I’m not sure how “Until” got into your translation, but we do not see it in the Greek.

Λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Οὐ λέγω σοι ἕως ἑπτάκις ἀλλὰ ἕως ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά

Which translates to: “Says to him Jesus, Not I say to you up to seven times, but up to seven time seven”

There is no “until”. There is no reference to Daniel, to his week, or to any fulfilment of that prophecy. The context of THIS PASSAGE is about forgiveness and how often we ought to extend it in light of how it has been extended to us.

I mean…apart from your dubiously added extra word…please do attempt to show me otherwise.

 

[Earburner]

I suspect your one of these fellows who refuses to countenance anything other than the KJV, and thus, further conversation might be useless, but I’ll plunge on regardless.

I’m not sure how “Until” got into your translation, but we do not see it in the Greek.

Λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς Οὐ λέγω σοι ἕως ἑπτάκις ἀλλὰ ἕως ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά

Which translates to: “Says to him Jesus, Not I say to you up to seven times, but up to seven time seven”

There is no “until”. There is no reference to Daniel, to his week, or to any fulfilment of that prophecy. The context of THIS PASSAGE is about forgiveness and how often we ought to extend it in light of how it has been extended to us.

I mean…apart from your dubiously added extra word…please do attempt to show me otherwise.

The KJV Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus Greek text.
Most of todays modern day Bibles, the
JW-NWT included, are translated from the Wescott and Hort Greek text.

 

[Naomi25]

The KJV Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus Greek text.
Most of todays modern day Bibles, the
JW-NWT included, are translated from the Wescott and Hort Greek text.

You make such a pronouncement as if your point is self evident…it is not.

I cannot speak for other translations, but I use the ESV, which is based upon the Masoretic texts. Within the editions used for translations I do believe the Novum Testamentum Graece (28th ed) was, in some cases, drawn upon, which itself drew upon some of Hort and Wescotts work.
How their work was inferior or superior, subjectively, to that of Erasmus’, is something I suppose we could debate, but without having studied them in depth, it would seem, I fear, rather foolish to do so.
And, I cannot help thinking, also seems to be rather beside the point.

 

[Taken]

When Jesus told his disciples that they must forgive a person 70x7 times, what did he mean?

In Context...in Brief.
Tribal members (all calling themselves Jews) are all brothers by RACE.
Jesus’ disciples were all brothers by RACE.
* Since Jesus was speaking face to face with them, Jesus was still present ON the earth.
* Since Jesus was speaking to them, the disciples, we know Jesus was speaking TO Jews.
* Since Jesus was speaking to Peter specifically, and Peter asked specifically about FORGIVING A BROTHER (who had SINNED against him) and the others disciples (also Jews) were present, we know Jesus was answering Peter, specifically....about Brothers (Jews) forgiving Brothers (Jews).
* We know the Disciples, Brothers, Jews...WERE STILL UNDER THE LAW...
And LEARNING something NEW.
* WHAT the Disciples, Brothers, Jews....WERE in the Process of LEARNING, is Jesus came to FORGIVE men of their SINS.
* WHAT applies to Tribes and Jews, UNDER THE LAW, IS a Violation of a LAW, that affected ONE Tribesman AGAINST another Tribesman, WAS A “SIN accounted to the Offender”.
* Since Peter, specifically Mentioned an Offense against a BROTHER, (JEW), as a SIN, Peter is verifying, THEY were still UNDER THE LAW, even while in the process of Learning something NEW.
* Jesus’ Response, DID NOT MENTION “FORGIVING SIN”. Jesus simply said, to FORGIVE the other (which Peter already identified as a Brother), repeatedly.
* Jesus’ presence ON earth is revealed, we know ALL Jesus came to do was not Yet Accomplished, per Isaiah 55:11.

It is more in-depth if you study. Using myself as an example.
I am not a Tribesman or Jew. I was never UNDER the Jewish Law.
An offense I may commit toward another man, or another man commit an offense toward me, IS NOT AN OFFENSE, (ie a SIN), according to the Jewish law.
Jewish Law...MUST apply to the two persons involved.
(Same as; If “your” State Law says it is unlawful for you to eat garlic, and “my” State Law has no such Law. You being a citizen or “your” State, it would be a Law violation for you to eat garlic, but would NOT be a Law violation IN “my” State.
I am not a “Jew”. Jewish Laws do not Apply to me. IF any Laws ARE created that ARE similar TO Jewish Laws, THAT DO APPLY TO ME; They apply to me BY ... WHO and WHERE I am...and has nothing to do with the similarity of Jewish LAW.
Example...”your” State and “my” State, may both have Laws that say you must stop at a stop sign. When I stop at a stop sign “in my State”, I am obeying “my State law”......NOT “your State” law.

Point being...Peter was inquiring about committing a VIOLATION toward a Brother (Jew), who like Peter, was Under the Law.

In Context of Scripture;
Scripture teaches for “ANYONE”, regardless of “Jewish Law”, regardless of “WHO” they are, or “WHERE” they are, (Jew or Gentile) to FORGIVE other men........”their”....... TRESPASSES .....Against you....and to ask other men....To FORGIVE......”your”....... TRESPASSES ....Against them.

IF you live in a day and age, whereby Jesus’ HAS RETURNED to Heaven, from whence he came, You should know, WHAT ALL He was sent to DO, is accomplished...Jesus Fulfilled the (Jewish Law), but DID NOT DESTROY the Law...
Thus Jews CAN AND DO “remain” under Jewish Laws...and JEWS still UNDER THE LAW...can continue UNDER the Law, to forgive “THEIR JEWISH BROTHERS”, of Law violations AGAINST THEM, which IS A SIN unto the Offender.

A Gentile, can know, Jesus fulfilled the Jewish Law, which never applied to A Gentile, and what? Pretend it did apply to them? Proclaim Men are Sinning Against them? (While False, Gentile men, have been taught, and point their finger at other men all the time, and Claim other Gentile men have sinned against them...thank you Catholic teaching!)

Sin is Against God. Only God forgives Sin. Jesus was expressly revealed having the Power to Forgive Sin. AND...what earthly men were ALSO given the Power to Forgive men of Sin they committed AGAINST God? None.
Teaching a man, HOW to be forgiven BY God, is a far cry from a man Forgiving a man of Sin Against God.

There is a huge difference between the relationship BETWEEN...A man, and God.........and A man and A man.
An Offense of A man AGAINST GOD, IS A SIN.
An Offense of A man AGAINST A man, IS A TRESPASS.
In either case......The one Committing the Offense...should ask for FORGIVENESS.
And in either case....The one being ASKED for FORGIVENESS....should Give Forgiveness.
A man..ASK God...and “He shall” forgive A SIN AGAINST HIM.
A man..ASK A MAN...and he “is taught” to forgive a TRESPASS AGAINST HIM.

Men do not SIN against me, nor do I SIN against men.
Ignorant men may “accuse” me of “sinning against them”...and “may even demand I ask them for forgiveness of the supposed sin they claim I committed against them”....
Which is “comical on it’s face”.
How worthy is ANY forgiveness...(of Sin or a Trespass), that is given “on demand”...LOL
Any “forgiveness” given from one to another, SHOULD BE, heartfelt, truly sorry for the Offense.
That does not apply to a “demanded” forgiveness!

Sin and Trespass is not the same thing.
Jesus taught “MEN” to be “forgiving” repeatedly.
Scripture teaches “Jews under the Law”, were “repeatedly” Forgiven their Sins against God.
Scripture teaches “By, Through, Of” Christ Jesus, a man would be “Forgiven their Sins against God.......ONCE and FOREVER.”
And for men to continue forgiving men “repeatedly” of Trespasses committed against them.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

When Peter tells us that for God, a day is like a 1000 years and a 1000 years is as a day, what did he mean?

God is outside of “TIME”. IOW not constrained by TIME.
God created “TIME”...(years, seasons, days, evenings, hours, etc.) FOR mankind, FOR signs, FOR preparations, FOR expectations.

What may seem like a long day, a long year, a long hour “to a man”.
Does not have the same EFFECT on God.
God does not “go to sleep”, wake up and wonder what the weather will be, wonder if he has time to mow the grass, wonder if his car will start, wonder if men “IN” Christ will “leave” Him....
Men sleep, Men wonder what will be, Men do not know all things, Men depend on Time.
God does not sleep, God does not wonder what will be, God knows all things, God does not depend on Time.

Glory to God,
Taken