Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

[JohnPaul]

They bathe in it, I know people who are religious who bathe in their sins, they claim that the blood of Jesus covers all sin regardless, so Hitler and the Devil are saved as well ? they claim to others that Jesus is the Man ! but so does the Devil ? only they do not abide in Christ Jesus ?
It's like they believe the blood was shed for trash to survive and fester. So as to Sin they bathe in it. they push that all their Sin is forgiven regardless. so no wonder we see so called Priest molester kids and much of the Church turn their backs on the subject for years.
When I brought such a subject up or just tried to touch on it so slightly as not to offend them, well I got attacked full on. It's Not true ! at all they would claim ? If they seen any such going on they would switch automatically into denial mode.
They would go into a mode of, oh no a scandal in the Church! not to mention their own church, in that they go to would come under the eyes of all and they could not bear that ever, so they just push such away out of their minds.

One I know claims it's all about the blood of Jesus and nothing other, Not about the Holy Spirit at all he claims. he is demanding that The State is Israel is were it's all at. so it can dominate over the whole world and he gets X amount of people to dominate over or kill as he pleases. He claims the Holy Spirit is just nonsense.

I say if one does not have the Holy spirit within them, then they are not worthy of Jesus Christ at all. as Jesus will say that he never knew them.

Mark my words Reggie, Pope Francis was put in there as Pope to pave the way for the RCC to accept homosexuals, Pope Benedict was too hardline Catholic to allow such a thing so they made him step down, I don't have any proof or links, but those are my feelings, they are losing so much money for not embracing homosexuality and all the lawsuits due to the pedophile Priests, that they will make up for it by accepting homosexuality.

Yes my thoughts exactly as you mentioned, some Christians think they are automatically saved no matter what they do, which is false doctrine, if Hitler and Pedos are saved then why not Satan himself, he was also a creation of God, is he not?

So with that way of thinking Satan would be saved too.

Thank you for speaking the truth brother, much respect to you.

 

[JohnPaul]

I would agree that the Catholic Church is their and has been their for 2000 years, when we look to the RCC we see corruption at work all through the years and this is the case of all Churches in fact, but within there is always the worthy Christians to Jesus Christ who are truly born again.

The RCC under Pope Frances is a whore. but many in the RCC that I know and known who were full on RCC involved, not one looked up to any of the Popes from JP2 on. I thought that was odd. not to mention not all in the RCC are of the same Order. when I wanted to get into the Franciscan Order here, well they were not into St Frances of Assisi at all. That's both the C of E and the RCC. not to mention if I mention St Francis to anyone in the RCC they were totally oblivious and only on about the Patron Saint of Animals nonsense. clearly the Priest never wanted to inspire the flock on the subject of St Frances, because such could be a direct threat to expose them for the worldly religious bastards that they truly are. Not to mention such is why the numbers of faithful are dwindling in the Churches, the Priest are like toxic weeds nowadays. They do not wasn't Priest in the RCC for years as they have been undermining them and only letting the Gay ones in, ones who would never stand up for Christ Jesus but only do the will of the worldly Church. We need people like Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. Or Archbishop Fulton Sheen etc, inspiring people of Christ Jesus.

I don't follow Popes anymore, but I do believe Pope John Paul II was a decent and good man, with good intentions, but this Pope Francis is pure evil.

 

[MatthewG]

“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Marymog]

I would agree that the Catholic Church is their and has been their for 2000 years, when we look to the RCC we see corruption at work all through the years and this is the case of all Churches in fact, but within there is always the worthy Christians to Jesus Christ who are truly born again.

The RCC under Pope Frances is a whore. but many in the RCC that I know and known who were full on RCC involved, not one looked up to any of the Popes from JP2 on. I thought that was odd. not to mention not all in the RCC are of the same Order. when I wanted to get into the Franciscan Order here, well they were not into St Frances of Assisi at all. That's both the C of E and the RCC. not to mention if I mention St Francis to anyone in the RCC they were totally oblivious and only on about the Patron Saint of Animals nonsense. clearly the Priest never wanted to inspire the flock on the subject of St Frances, because such could be a direct threat to expose them for the worldly religious bastards that they truly are. Not to mention such is why the numbers of faithful are dwindling in the Churches, the Priest are like toxic weeds nowadays. They do not wasn't Priest in the RCC for years as they have been undermining them and only letting the Gay ones in, ones who would never stand up for Christ Jesus but only do the will of the worldly Church. We need people like Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. Or Archbishop Fulton Sheen etc, inspiring people of Christ Jesus.

I do like Fulton Sheen....

 

[Marymog]

If that was my argument, that there was no hierarchy of gifted believers to have authority over all believers, I'd certainly show you that scripture. But as it is, that's not my argument. My argument is they do not exist in a recognizable, official organization at this time in church history just before the return of Christ. Because the corruption of the organizations of men and their doctrines is so pervasive.

Thanks for the clarification Ferris. Looks like I misunderstood you. I apologize.

The reason I misunderstood your opinion is because you said, "it's you, your Bible, your God given discernment by the Holy Spirit, and your fellowship with others with like attitude". My entire point of post #67 was to show that, according to scripture, your statement is not true. Nowhere in Scripture does it say what you believe. There is no such thing as lone wolf Christianity. Scripture makes it clear that there is a Church led by men who we are to obey. At no point in Scripture does it say, "When Ferris Bueller starts believing that The Church has become corrupted he can then 'go into his basement instead of going to Church, read the bible, expect discernment by the Holy Spirit and fellowship with others that agree with him'. That lone wolf Christianity is generally what happened when the Apostle were still alive. Some of the letters in our bible are BECAUSE some Christians went out on their own and started questioning/going against the teachings of The Church elders. That WAS the reason for the letters....to set those lone wolves straight and re-affirm the teaching of The Church.

So now that I better understand what you are say it seems that you believe that there is no "recognizable, official organization at this time in church history".

OK...Sooooo according to Christian history, when did that 'recognizable and official organization' cease? When the last Apostle died?

According to your studies when was the last time (what century) Christianity had a 'recognizable and official organization' that all Christians could have faith that it was The Church that Christ started?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Right, the true church can never be corrupted. The true church is not an organization. It's the sum total of all genuine believers......

No, no no no..... That's not true Ferris.

The true Church is NOT the "sum total of all genuine believers". But let's put your opinion to the test:

Scripture says when my brother sins against me I am to go get 2-3 other brothers and try to convince him he is wrong. If he STILL refuses to listen to all 3-4 of us, we are to take our differences to The Church to decide who is right OR wrong. So, putting your opinion into practice, which Church do we go to settle this difference? Which Church has the authority given in Scripture to declare the person a pagan/tax collector (both bad things in those days)? HOW do implement your opinion that we go to "sum total of all genuine believers" to settle this difference?

Scripture says that 'the church is the pillar and foundation of truth'. According to your opinion "the sum total of all genuine believers" is the church. So how can ALL "genuine believers" be the pillar and foundation of truth when all believers have different interpretations of God's word?

What is the criteria to be considered a 'genuine believer'?


Mary

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

But the Devil also plays such cards.
What do the Satanist Mirror ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

how can ALL "genuine believers" be the pillar and foundation of truth when all believers have different interpretations of God's word?

Because we're all at different stages of growth and knowledge.

"13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ." Ephesians 4:13​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What is the criteria to be considered a 'genuine believer'?

A genuine believer is one who believes that the blood of Christ is the payment for their sin that God accepts.
The evidence that a person is a genuine believer is they bear the fruit of the Spirit in a life of ever increasing righteousness.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

HOW do implement your opinion that we go to "sum total of all genuine believers" to settle this difference?

As I said, there are believers among the sum total of all genuine believers who have the various gifts given to lead the body. But even those with gifts that don't involve them holding an official full time office can officiate in such matters.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

OK...Sooooo according to Christian history, when did that 'recognizable and official organization' cease? When the last Apostle died?

I can't pinpoint an exact year when the church had become so corrupted that it no longer represented a recognizable and official Christian organization, like when the Apostles were alive. Probably sometime before the 4th century.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There is no such thing as lone wolf Christianity. Scripture makes it clear that there is a Church led by men who we are to obey.

We know that (beyond our disagreement of what constitutes 'the church'). The problem is they do not exist in an official organization anymore. They exist. You'll meet them in a Bible study, or as a pastor in a particular church, or an elder somewhere, or as a bright contributor in a Bible study somewhere. But you won't find them grouped together in an official God-sanctioned organization of leaders. That ended a very long time ago.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

At no point in Scripture does it say, "When Ferris Bueller starts believing that The Church has become corrupted he can then 'go into his basement instead of going to Church, read the bible, expect discernment by the Holy Spirit and fellowship with others that agree with him'.

Lol, "with others that agree with him"?
Nobody learns that way. A real meeting of the saints is going to be iron sharpening iron as we struggle towards the truth. That's why organizations like the Catholic church don't work. They just perpetuate error. Freedom of conscience and thought are essential to grow people towards the truth. You're not allowed to have either of those in organized religion.

 

[Waiting on him]

Anyone ever notice how Jesus’s whole ministry He never mentions homosexuality?

The only ones He had harsh words for were the finger pointers.

 

[Marymog]

Because we're all at different stages of growth and knowledge.

"13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ." Ephesians 4:13​

Ok....sooooo lets put your theory that since we are "all at different stages of growth and knowledge" to the test of logic and how it equates to being the pillar and foundation of truth.

A 30-year-old Christian who has been studying Scripture since he was 15 years old has a different interpretation of Scripture than a 80-year-old Christian who has been studying Scripture since he was 15 also. Clearly the 80 yr old is in a much further 'stage of growth and knowledge'.

Which Christian should I listen to so that I may also become a 'pillar and foundation of truth'?

Also, you cherry picked Scripture to fit what you believe. Here is Ephesians 4:13 IN CONTEXT:

The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ.

That passage IN CONTEXT does not say that every Christian is to go out on their own, into their basement, grab a bag of Dorito's and read Scripture to 'grow in knowledge'. It clearly says there are TEACHERS (and others) who are to equip us for the work of ministry until all of us come to unity!!!!!!!!!!!! How can we all come into unity if we are all reading Scripture on our own in our basement deciding the truth of Scripture???? Your theory makes no sense.........and your theory is the byproduct of the Reformation which Satan used to DIVIDE The Church and cause dis-unity!!!

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Marymog]

A genuine believer is one who believes that the blood of Christ is the payment for their sin that God accepts.
The evidence that a person is a genuine believer is they bear the fruit of the Spirit in a life of ever increasing righteousness.

Ummmmm....Are you referring to 1 Peter 1:18-19 when you talk about the blood of Christ being payment for our sins? That ONE passage out of the THOUSANDS in Scripture is a summary of what it takes to be a "genuine believer"???????????

Scripture has a FEW more instructions on what it takes to be a genuine believer Ferris. If it were as easy

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyone ever notice how Jesus’s whole ministry He never mentions homosexuality?

The only ones He had harsh words for were the finger pointers.

It goes without saying !
Everyone knows such is wrong.

The workings of the Devil nowadays is so much more powerful nowadays in creating deceptions and delusions over the people. In fact they in force such rubbish demanding you swallow it all. or else ! out comes the malice full on.

Now on the issue of one who does not embrace homosexuals, this Mob go to the extreme demanding all people who do not approve 100% are monsters ! well that's clearly not the case at all, as under the umbrella of ones classed as such are all different types of such, I have a scale system that goes from 1 to 10 say as to depravity of such people, now from 1 to 5 I can put up with that sort but from 5 and up becomes a problem. I do not respect that level of depravity, Not to mention such is the same with "anyone" regardless as some people I will not tolerate because they are sick depraved and degenerates, Thieves etc I will not abide with them etc etc as it's best not to be under such peoples influence because they promote trash and filth.

People without direction are heading down the wrong track.

I remember turning up to a place, and the Best man was meeting for the first time with all the wife to be and her mum and dad. now this Best man started telling dirty jokes and the wife to be jumped up and said Get out ! She was within her rights to say so. She was not going to put up with such as that. But the Best man was not pleased at all.

So no one should point a finger ? regardless. Like one may say, Hey you, your getting out of control with such and such, because it's not inspiring at all truly at all is it now. we do not want to have to deal with thief's etc etc because such crosses over the line. not to mention why should we have to put up with mongrel behaviour. We are not amused ! But then again were does one draw the line, as some maybe very stuck up and extreme on any issue. and they could be taking it to far. but I would think myself as being broad minded and very tolerant but it does come to a point that the line is drawn. It has to be ! because if their is no such, then such would not be wise.
People want to be a Goose, fine ! but I have a door on my house to keep such out.

 

[JohnPaul]

It goes without saying !
Everyone knows such is wrong.

The workings of the Devil nowadays is so much more powerful nowadays in creating deceptions and delusions over the people. In fact they in force such rubbish demanding you swallow it all. or else ! out comes the malice full on.

Now on the issue of one who does not embrace homosexuals, this Mob go to the extreme demanding all people who do not approve 100% are monsters ! well that's clearly not the case at all, as under the umbrella of ones classed as such are all different types of such, I have a scale system that goes from 1 to 10 say as to depravity of such people, now from 1 to 5 I can put up with that sort but from 5 and up becomes a problem. I do not respect that level of depravity, Not to mention such is the same with "anyone" regardless as some people I will not tolerate because they are sick depraved and degenerates, Thieves etc I will not abide with them etc etc as it's best not to be under such peoples influence because they promote trash and filth.

People without direction are heading down the wrong track.

I remember turning up to a place, and the Best man was meeting for the first time with all the wife to be and her mum and dad. now this Best man started telling dirty jokes and the wife to be jumped up and said Get out ! She was within her rights to say so. She was not going to put up with such as that. But the Best man was not pleased at all.

So no one should point a finger ? regardless. Like one may say, Hey you, your getting out of control with such and such, because it's not inspiring at all truly at all is it now. we do not want to have to deal with thief's etc etc because such crosses over the line. not to mention why should we have to put up with mongrel behaviour. We are not amused ! But then again were does one draw the line, as some maybe very stuck up and extreme on any issue. and they could be taking it to far. but I would think myself as being broad minded and very tolerant but it does come to a point that the line is drawn. It has to be ! because if their is no such, then such would not be wise.
People want to be a Goose, fine ! but I have a door on my house to keep such out.

People want to keep pushing this homosexual, LGTB agenda to the point where these sick parents want to change their kids sex, you're talking about 7-9 year old kids simply because they play with the wrong toys, I remember when I was a kid you had some girls who were tomboys they liked playing with and hang around boys and were into the tonka trucks and all, climbing trees, all the stuff boys did, they didn't grow up to be lesbians, some boys played with their sisters dolls, they didn't grow up to be gay.

The problem is this sick liberal society and the parents who want to change their kids sex that God gave them, simply because they play with the wrong toys or may act a certain way, you're talking about kids who don't even know what sexual preference is let alone have sexual inclinations at that age, and are impressionable at that age and easily confused.

And by pushing God loves everyone no matter what you do or what you are, no that is not true unless you are repentant and abstain from such acts, there's laws in the Bible, the word of God does not change according to the times or fashion as a lot of fake church leaders try to do, it's all about raking in the bucks, they could care a less about God's word and don't even believe God or they'd be fearful of judgement day for espousing such lies.

I believe there are Christian homosexuals and when I use the term homosexuals I mean both men and women, who don't want to have this affliction and pray and repent and abstain from their sexual desires, I truly believe that, and they themselves are against this agenda of getting churches to be all accepting and loving of homosexuality, and just wished they were normal.

I believe a lot of these homosexuals were abused as children and molested, it's a mental illness, that should be treated as such and they should be seeing a psychiatrist, but nowadays you can't even say that and I don't even know if there are doctors who would try to treat this illness of the mind.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ummmmm....Are you referring to 1 Peter 1:18-19 when you talk about the blood of Christ being payment for our sins? That ONE passage out of the THOUSANDS in Scripture is a summary of what it takes to be a "genuine believer"???????????

No, I wasn't thinking of that passage. Romans 3:25, "faith in His blood" would be a good summary. To be a believer means you believe in something. In Christianity being a believer means you believe in the blood of Christ to be the sufficient atonement for one's sin:

"25God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood" Romans 3:25​

Believing in Christ all by itself makes you a believer in Christ, for that is the very definition of a believer - one who believes in the blood of Christ as the atoning sacrifice for sin.

Scripture has a FEW more instructions on what it takes to be a genuine believer Ferris. If it were as easy

Instructions about what? I mean, apart from the knowledge of the gospel itself, why do you need something else to make you a person who believes that the gospel is true? The testimony of the Holy Spirit about the Son is quite sufficient to do that. You either believe it, or you don't - 1 John 5:10.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It clearly says there are TEACHERS (and others) who are to equip us for the work of ministry until all of us come to unity!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no question about that. What Protestants resist is that the Catholic priesthood constitutes those teachers.

Like I said, you'll encounter teachers in the body of Christ in all kinds of places - leading an informal Bible study in your neighborhood, attending that Bible study, participating in on-line forums, etc. Some actually do end up as pastors and elders of churches. But to say a Catholic or Protestant organization itself is the embodiment of God's gifted teachers is just plain false.