Church Bashing

[Lambano]

It gets confusing. You have to set it all out in front of you at once and look for clues as to whether you can tell if it goes in one of these piles.
Before tribulation
During tribulation
After tribulation
Before millennium
After millennium

Right. The only resurrection before the millennium is the Tribulation Martyrs.

 

[marks]

It gets confusing. You have to set it all out in front of you at once and look for clues as to whether you can tell if it goes in one of these piles.
Before tribulation
During tribulation
After tribulation
Before millennium
During millennium
After millennium

Each event tells you when it happens.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Right. The implication of "as many as were not found written" implies that some were found written.

Luke 16:9
Here’s the lesson: Use your worldly resources to benefit others and make friends. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an eternal home.

 

[Lambano]

Those "In Christ" are resurrected in the Rapture. The OT faithful are resurrected on the 1335th day. The tribulation martyrs are resurrected at the beginning of the millennium. And the rest of the dead are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years.

Much love!

Sorry, that's three resurrections; there's only a first and a second one. The rapture is the second resurrection.

 

[marks]

Right. The only resurrection before the millennium is the Tribulation Martyrs.

Not true.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Daniel 12:11-13 KJV
11) And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Luke 16:9
Here’s the lesson: Use your worldly resources to benefit others and make friends. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an eternal home.

Can you elaborate?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Sorry, that's three resurrections; there's only a first and a second one. The rapture is the second resurrection.

"first resurrection" is "Protes", that is, it can be first in order, or first in importance. It can mean the pattern of those that will come after.

There have been a number of resurrections. Personal, one by one. En masse, when Jesus died.

Jesus is the first fruit from among the dead.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Right. The only resurrection before the millennium is the Tribulation Martyrs.

Yes, but some people think we are to pray we are found worthy to escape the time of testing that is coming on the whole world to test all its people. And they think there is a secret gathering of some. I rather agree with them, although I think they try to fit some scripture where it doesn’t belong.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Can you elaborate?

Much love!

mmm…not really. It was a scripture in response and agreement with lambanos post #839.

 

[lilygrace]

Do you mean Dr. Cloud?

Much love!

yes. i do

 

[marks]

yes. i do

Good stuff!

Have you read Dr. David Amen?

Much love!

 

[lilygrace]

Good stuff!

Have you read Dr. David Amen?

Much love!

i have not.

 

[marks]

i have not.

I've benefitted from him also. He writes about brain health, and how it affects our responses to things. He'd probably cringe at my oversimplification!

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

Once again, since you skipped answering, if someone teaches a doctrine that harms the men it purports to help, tell me, in your own words, what loving them looks like.

First perhaps, if it's within our power, we should heal the harm done. This I believe can only be accomplished by presenting Christ as the all encompassing merciful savior He has always been. Taking upon Himself the sins of the world, this opening the way for forgiveness and eternal life. Most false doctrine is born of Satan, and thus will to some degree or another, deny the Atonement and the gospel. Once we present Christ as He truly is, the wonderful grace and mercy of God manifested, then we can correct the doctrine that denigrated, obscured, denied, or weakened that glorious truth.

 

[Brakelite]

I prefer to define the words in the Bible not only by their historical use, but also according to their Biblical use. There is death from the human point of view, an end, and death in what it really is, a separation.

The question turns on how we define death.

Much love!

A separation from what? God, certainly. Would not separation from God also mean separation from life seeing God is the sustainer of life?

 

[Brakelite]

That's not necessarily true, and maybe isn't true at all.

Sometimes people choose what they choose regardless of what they know.

Much love!

Yet we wouldn't suggest that the doctrines of the church of Satan don't affect the behaviors and moral mindsets of it's members. At what stage are we to believe that doctrines cease to have that effect?

 

[Brakelite]

Kolasis can mean "punishment". A punishment of final death would be everlasting. But I am eisegeting, which is poor form. I read what I want to read. Why am I doing that? Because I cannot say, "Credo in un Deo crudel", ("I believe in a cruel God").

I asked what the purpose of eternal torment is. It is not rehabilitative. It is not a deterrent, especially if one believes that Man has not the capability of not sinning or of believing in a savior. It is punishment for its own sake. After how many years until justice becomes cruelty? 100? 1,000? 1,000,000? Remember also, that some of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, et. al. will not be saved. Can you watch them be tortured and remain sane? God gave me the ability to empathize, and I can't just turn it off. I remember what it was like to be lost. I can't just say, "They can all go to Hell for all I care, as long as I'm saved". This is what we're defending in the name of doctrinal purity.

The more one considers this, the more vile the doctrine appears.

 

[BarneyFife]

Don't talk to me . . . talk to the Author.

Much love!

Okay

 

[Brakelite]

It gets confusing. You have to set it all out in front of you at once and look for clues as to whether you can tell if it goes in one of these piles.
Before tribulation
During tribulation
After tribulation
Before millennium
During millennium
After millennium

No-one has yet established that during the millennium there are living people on the planet. Such a belief compounds the confusion.

 

[BarneyFife]

Church bashing...
I forgot.