Catholic issues

[theefaith]

The whole of the Church not just your branch of it comes directly from that time.

not without peter and the apostles


Matthew 5:14
Ye (the apostles) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

 

[theefaith]

Okay, I'm done - there are none so blind as those who will not see and from what I've seen posted regarding the beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic church it's the blind leading the blind and deceiving people. I won't put you on ignore because I'm sure there are some things we do agree about.

then you are accusing Christ of deceiving

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

All truth is revealed by Christ and proposed for belief by the holy church
Matt 28:19-20

 

[Pearl]

only in the church founded by Christ

Christ himself who is the Rock of my Savation.

 

[Pearl]

never seen a scripture about a spiritual covenant? Faith and baptism
All believing the same faith revealed by Christ eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and baptism

Effects of baptism!

Born again / born from above:
Jn 3:5

Out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of Light:
1 pet 2:9

New Creation in Christ Jesus / regeneration:
2 cor 5:17 titus 3:5

Sins washed away:
Acts 22:16

Washed in His blood:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Member of Christ, Member of the new covenant church, all professing the same faith:

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Put on Christ:

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Died with Christ:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Risen with Christ:

Col2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Sealed by God in the ark of salvation:

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Honestly friend, I don't need all that I just need Jesus. He is the main thing - not church teachings or anything else. Simply Jesus who lives in me and all other members of his body the Church.

 

[Pearl]

then you are accusing Christ of deceiving

Absolutely not my friend - it is your leaders who are doing the deceiving.

And before I go I want to thank you from my heart for having this conversation with me without getting personal. And I hope I haven't resorted to personal insults either. If I have please forgive me.

 

[Taken]

Are you rejecting the teaching authority of Christ that declares the validity of infant baptism???

Reveal Jesus’ teaching of infant baptism....So far you haven’t.

 

[theefaith]

Honestly friend, I don't need all that I just need Jesus. He is the main thing - not church teachings or anything else. Simply Jesus who lives in me and all other members of his body the Church.

there is no spiritual church or covenant

did Christ found the church?

 

[theefaith]

Absolutely not my friend - it is your leaders who are doing the deceiving.

And before I go I want to thank you from my heart for having this conversation with me without getting personal. And I hope I haven't resorted to personal insults either. If I have please forgive me.

it’s all good
On my part I only want to be faithful to Jude 1:3 contend for the faith!

lk 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Reveal Jesus’ teaching of infant baptism....So far you haven’t.

acts 2:38-39 you’re children
Acts 16:15 does not say accept infants
Lk 2:10-11 all people including infants

authority of the apostles teach with the authority of Christ Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 Matt 28:19-20

 

[Taken]

acts 2:38-39 you’re children
Acts 16:15 does not say accept infants
Lk 2:10-11 all people including infants

authority of the apostles teach with the authority of Christ Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 Matt 28:19-20

Your references are irrelevant.

QUOTE Scripture that reveals Jesus teaching Infant Baptism.

 

[Pearl]

it’s all good
On my part I only want to be faithful to Jude 1:3 contend for the faith!

lk 10:16

And like you my friend, I just want to be faithful to what God has shown me. Shalom.

 

[theefaith]

Your references are irrelevant.

QUOTE Scripture that reveals Jesus teaching Infant Baptism.

matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

All!

it does not say accept infants

 

[Pearl]

matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

All!

it does not say accept infants

Did you mean except infants?

 

[theefaith]

Did you mean except infants?

Yes thank you!

 

[Taken]

matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

All!

it does not say accept infants

Out of Context.
Nor what Scripture does not say, PROVE what you DO say.

You ignore WHO they are sent to Baptize.
You IMPLY ALL NATIONS. If that were the case, ALL NATIONS would have received Baptism.

You ignore they were Sent out to ALL Nations, to TEACH, the requirement of Baptism, THEN Baptize the people, “WHO FREELY WILLINGLY Chose to BE BAPTIZED”...

You ignore Baptism is given to the WILLING whose Heart confesses Belief.
Anyone with an ounce of Grey Matter knows infants do not know the teaching, nor willingly confess Belief.

 

[theefaith]

Out of Context.
Nor what Scripture does not say, PROVE what you DO say.

You ignore WHO they are sent to Baptize.
You IMPLY ALL NATIONS. If that were the case, ALL NATIONS would have received Baptism.

You ignore they were Sent out to ALL Nations, to TEACH, the requirement of Baptism, THEN Baptize the people, “WHO FREELY WILLINGLY Chose to BE BAPTIZED”...

You ignore Baptism is given to the WILLING whose Heart confesses Belief.
Anyone with an ounce of Grey Matter knows infants do not know the teaching, nor willingly confess Belief.

then it must not be required cos the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always for 2000 yes baptized infants

 

[Taken]

then it must not be required cos the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always for 2000 yes baptized infants

Gentile men teaching something dumb, doing something dumb, for 2,000 years, does not make that teaching or doing, a Scriptural teaching.

Infants and little children do not posses the reasoning skills to know WHAT a God is, let alone Confess a BELIEF in a God.

Ya think God ignorant of that FACT?
Ya think God does not KNOW people must hear and learn about something,
Before they can agree to Believe in that something?

Every man, has opportunity to Hear, Learn, and Decide to Believe what they Hear and Learn.
As a matter of FACT, God gives every man Opportunity to Hear and Follow along LEARNING ABOUT HIM...and GIVES such men A TASTE of Gods Blessing, BEFORE they make a Commitment!

 

[Taken]

Okay, I'm done - there are none so blind as those who will not see and from what I've seen posted regarding the beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic church it's the blind leading the blind and deceiving people. I won't put you on ignore because I'm sure there are some things we do agree about.

The Catholic Church appoints men, and declares all Catholic congregates must vow to agree with such appointed men, appointed by Gentile men.

Jesus gives an entirely different teaching. Hear, Listen, to men who claim to BE TEACHERS of the Word of God.
Listen to what they SAY, then Verify with Scripture what they SPEAK IF IT IS the Word of God.
IF it is not Verifiable IN Scripture, Stop Trusting their Teaching.

Many Catholics straight out will declare they follow the teaching OF MEN, even Name such men, whether or not their Teachings ARE Verified In Scripture.

Ask them to Verify...and as they dance around in deflection circles...they will never present a Verifying Scripture.

 

[Taken]

then it must not be required cos the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always for 2000 yes baptized infants

Repeating a non-Biblical 2,000 year old Tradition, is irrelevant.

 

[Berserk]

3 texts provide the biblical basis for infant baptism:
"He (the Philippian jailor) and his entire family were baptized without delay (Acts 16:33)."
There is no reason to suppose that the family had no small children and infants. Paul baptized this entire family without delay before the whole family had time to digest the full meaning of the Gospel and baptism.Paul also baptizes "the household of Lydia" and "the household of Stephanas (Acts 16:15; 1 Cor. 1:16)." It seems doubtful to suppose that none of these 3 families had any small children and infants!
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