Is The Beast Of Revelation 13:1-8 A Political System On Earth?

[stunnedbygrace]

scripture clearly shows your opinion of wicked fallen angels without bodies is in error

They would have had to have bodies to produce nephilim with human women, right? But I seem to remember a verse about them now being kept in chains because of this abomination that corrupted all human flesh but Noah.
It is an interesting conversation you guys are having here, because as it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot…except I can’t get it out of my mind that it will be a different way this time…with technology somehow…

Demons don’t have bodies though. They are not the same beings as the angels who produced nephilim…?

 

[Oseas]

All sons of Devil are demons, are devils, and the earth is infested of them. John 6:v

John 6:v.64 to 71

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (a demon)

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 8:v. 43-45
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


1 John 3:v.11-12

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one (was of the Devil), and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

 

[Truth7t7]

The fourth Beast had/has a long history. It began as the Roman Empire, while the 3rd beast, in the latter time of the Grecian Empire, by it's "four way division" of the "four horns".

Ah,...No, it's highly scriptural and historical.
Do you deny that the 4th beast of Daniel was indeed the Roman Empire in Jesus' time, when He was in mortal flesh?
Or was the Roman Commander Titus, not the agent of the destruction of the Jewish Temple building in 70AD?

If then the Roman Empire, in all its military strength, is known as having been a reality, then what empire preceded it, being called the 3rd beast in Daniel.
I'm assuming that you don't know, and would rather prefer to believe the fantasy of " church-ianity".

The horn/beast of Daniel 7:11 is a future figure and will be present on earth until the second coming and final judgement

 

[Dave Watchman]

It's a good thing to present biblical truth, (The Beast) of Revelation 13 will be a human man, as the personal pronouns He, His, Him, clearly teaches

Not all translations translate it that way. Many, like the ESV, call it an it.

its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.​

You keep saying the beast of Revelation 13 will be a human man based in Jerusalem. Are you sure you're not Douggg posting under a sock account?

Anyway, there's four beasts mentioned in Revelation. Chapter 13 there's two beasts. Do you think both beasts in Chapter 13 are human men?

Jesus Is The Lord

Agreed.

The Beast will be a living human man upon this earth, and he will join together with human kings of the earth, his human body will be judged to the lake of fire

He might get a body, but he won't be human. I was talking to a lady who runs a site about the names of Satan. She thinks God will allow Satan to manifest in our world for a very brief time. People of the world will see him, they will marvel to SEE the beast. He will be visible.

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.​

I've seen the verse also described as being visible. That the beast which John saw once was VISIBLE, But now he's not VISIBLE, (he's in the abyss). And he's about to rise from the bottomless pit and become VISIBLE again and go to his destruction.

Together with the Beast

But this specifically speaks to the great red Dragon beast, the beast that will rise from the bottomless pit and make war on the two witnesses. Not the first beast of Revelation 13. That one is a composite of multiple parts, an amalgamation of materials. Materials are formed by combining two or more materials that have quite different properties. The different materials work together to give the composite unique properties, but within the composite you can easily tell the different materials apart – they do not dissolve or blend into each other.

This first beast, this composite beast, has ten horns. The ten horns that you saw are ten kings.

"And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast.​

The ten horns aren't here yet, or we can't identify them yet. They will receive authority for one hour, together WITH the beast. It's tricky, but not all of Revelation's beasts are interchangeable. The seven headed, ten horn composite beast will, at the end, combine with a second beast.

The first beast being a conglomerate of parts, the second beast being the Dragon, who gives his power to the first beast.

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Again, you're mixing these beasts up.

The beast from Revelation 19 is not the first beast from Revelation 13. The qualifications don't match.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth,

Look:

"And the kings of the earth=the ten kings on the composite beast.

"And I saw the beast=the beast that rises from the abyss.​

Can you not see how they're differentiated? Even though, even now, they're fairly much intertwined. When the harlot rides the beast, it's hard to tell them apart.

I know that I know what this is, the five that are fallen, the one that was, the one who came for a short time is fallen now too. These are the slam dunk. We are at the end game, the eighth king, Lucifer's theocratic government.

This is the only reason I see for posting, and for grown men to debate the specifications of these beasts of Revelation. If the Hal Lindsey/Dave Pack model is correct, we could have ten years remaining and when it finally does begin, the trib is in the middle east.

But if I'm correct, these things have been taking place since the Foxe Book days, and are culminating now, and will test all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

No time to wait for a temple construction.

Lions and leopards and bears
Oh my

 

[Truth7t7]

Demons don’t have bodies though. They are not the same beings as the angels who produced nephilim…?

I disagree with your claim, Angel's don't procreate with humans, creating what you call Nephilim, Angel's dont marry or maintain sperm, your claims would be found in Greek Mythology

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Not all translations translate it that way. Many, like the ESV, call it an it.

its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.​

You keep saying the beast of Revelation 13 will be a human man based in Jerusalem. Are you sure you're not Douggg posting under a sock account?

Anyway, there's four beasts mentioned in Revelation. Chapter 13 there's two beasts. Do you think both beasts in Chapter 13 are human men?



Agreed.



He might get a body, but he won't be human. I was talking to a lady who runs a site about the names of Satan. She thinks God will allow Satan to manifest in our world for a very brief time. People of the world will see him, they will marvel to SEE the beast. He will be visible.

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.​

I've seen the verse also described as being visible. That the beast which John saw once was VISIBLE, But now he's not VISIBLE, (he's in the abyss). And he's about to rise from the bottomless pit and become VISIBLE again and go to his destruction.

Together with the Beast

But this specifically speaks to the great red Dragon beast, the beast that will rise from the bottomless pit and make war on the two witnesses. Not the first beast of Revelation 13. That one is a composite of multiple parts, an amalgamation of materials. Materials are formed by combining two or more materials that have quite different properties. The different materials work together to give the composite unique properties, but within the composite you can easily tell the different materials apart – they do not dissolve or blend into each other.

This first beast, this composite beast, has ten horns. The ten horns that you saw are ten kings.

"And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast.​

The ten horns aren't here yet, or we can't identify them yet. They will receive authority for one hour, together WITH the beast. It's tricky, but not all of Revelation's beasts are interchangeable. The seven headed, ten horn composite beast will, at the end, combine with a second beast.

The first beast being a conglomerate of parts, the second beast being the Dragon, who gives his power to the first beast.



Again, you're mixing these beasts up.

The beast from Revelation 19 is not the first beast from Revelation 13. The qualifications don't match.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth,

Look:

"And the kings of the earth=the ten kings on the composite beast.

"And I saw the beast=the beast that rises from the abyss.​

Can you not see how they're differentiated? Even though, even now, they're fairly much intertwined. When the harlot rides the beast, it's hard to tell them apart.

I know that I know what this is, the five that are fallen, the one that was, the one who came for a short time is fallen now too. These are the slam dunk. We are at the end game, the eighth king, Lucifer's theocratic government.

This is the only reason I see for posting, and for grown men to debate the specifications of these beasts of Revelation. If the Hal Lindsey/Dave Pack model is correct, we could have ten years remaining and when it finally does begin, the trib is in the middle east.

But if I'm correct, these things have been taking place since the Foxe Book days, and are culminating now, and will test all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

No time to wait for a temple construction.

Lions and leopards and bears
Oh my

We disagree, the beast and false prophet of Revelation 13, are the very same seen in Revelation 19:20

As stated the beast will be a literal human man, of Jewish/Hebrew decent

Daniel's little horn, Paul's man of sin, John's the beast, all the same "Future" bad guy known as (The Antichrist)

Thanks for the response Dave

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay. Just going on what I read.

 

[Dave Watchman]

We disagree, the beast and false prophet of Revelation 13, are the very same seen in Revelation 19:20

Actually, I do agree that the beast and false prophet are the very same entity.

"And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.​

The Dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet are they same guy. It's just a poetic way of saying Satan is all of the above. There's only one angel king of the abyss. Satan's house is not divided.

It's just that the first beast, the composite beast, is not Satan. It's the thing, the governments and the seven religious belief systems of the world that the Dragon, Satan, gives his power and his throne and his great authority to.

Daniel's little horn, Paul's man of sin, John's the beast, all the same "Future" bad guy known as (The Antichrist)

I agree, Daniel 11's stern faced king of the north too, all these guys are Satan himself. None of the things done, the specifications completed by this guy could have been accomplished by a single mortal man. Not even in the lifespan of Rosemary's baby possessed by Lucifer.

The stern faced king has been active from the days of antiquity until now.

"And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​

We are the glorious holy mountain.

Satan has made himself a line of demarcation between us and the sea, a sea of many peoples and nations and tongues.

This is not a local prophecy concerning the Mediterranean Sea, or the middle east.

He rode a tank held a generals rank.

It's a spooky deal anyway, who wants to spook the sheep?

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long years
Stole million man's soul an faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

Stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed Tsar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

I shouted out
Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politnesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, mm yeah

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, mm yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, mm mean it, get down

Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Aah yeah

Tell me baby, what's my name?
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name?
Tell me baby, what's my name?

I tell you one time, you're to blame
What's my name
Tell me, baby, what's my name?
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name?

Songwriters: Mick Jagger / Keith Richards

 

[Jay Ross]

It is an interesting conversation you guys are having here, because as it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot…except I can’t get it out of my mind that it will be a different way this time…with technology somehow…

Thank you for finding this conversation interesting. The problem that is vexing this conversation is the inability of people to accept that the beasts are wicked heavenly hosts. Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that at the time of Armageddon in our near future, that the wicked fallen heavenly hosts will be judged in heaven and then imprisoned in a pit for many days to await their time of punishment. The Book of Revelation confirms for us that the Beasts rise up out of the Bottomless pit and that the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 is healed and very much alive when the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 rise up out of the pit to act in unison. The description of the respective beasts confirms this fact.

We all must hold lightly what we believe concerning the beasts of Daniel 7, and we must be able to see the 1,000 years of the imprisonment of the four beasts that will occur before, "which rise up out of the earth" in verse 17 as revealed to us in the Book of Revelation.

In Daniel 8 we are told that the Little Horn is given an army from the nations, a number of times over the 2,400 years that he tramples the Sanctuary of God and His earthly hosts, i.e. the Nation of Israel, with which he is able do with as he pleases to finish his task during this set time period.

Perhaps you are able to see what is being said

Shalom

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually, I do agree that the beast and false prophet are the very same entity.

"And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.​

The Dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet are they same guy. It's just a poetic way of saying Satan is all of the above. There's only one angel king of the abyss. Satan's house is not divided.

It's just that the first beast, the composite beast, is not Satan. It's the thing, the governments and the seven religious belief systems of the world that the Dragon, Satan, gives his power and his throne and his great authority to.



I agree, Daniel 11's stern faced king of the north too, all these guys are Satan himself. None of the things done, the specifications completed by this guy could have been accomplished by a single mortal man. Not even in the lifespan of Rosemary's baby possessed by Lucifer.

The stern faced king has been active from the days of antiquity until now.

"And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​

We are the glorious holy mountain.

Satan has made himself a line of demarcation between us and the sea, a sea of many peoples and nations and tongues.

This is not a local prophecy concerning the Mediterranean Sea, or the middle east.

He rode a tank held a generals rank.

It's a spooky deal anyway, who wants to spook the sheep?

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long years
Stole million man's soul an faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

Stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed Tsar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

I shouted out
Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politnesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, mm yeah

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, mm yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, mm mean it, get down

Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Aah yeah

Tell me baby, what's my name?
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name?
Tell me baby, what's my name?

I tell you one time, you're to blame
What's my name
Tell me, baby, what's my name?
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name?

Songwriters: Mick Jagger / Keith Richards

I disagree, the dragon a (spirit being) will posses the beast a human man, the false prophet is a separate human man

 

[Daniel Veler]

Why would God be so inconsistent as to change the rules of prophetic interpretation just when it matters most? Is God confusing the issue deliberately, or is He the same yesterday and today and wants His people to be clear in their understanding so as not to be deceived in these last days?
He sent Gabriel to tell Daniel what the beasts were in his visions. Specifically empires. Babylon. Media-Persia. Greece. Named directly. The 4th beast wasn't named, but history attests to it being Rome. Empires. Every one. All of them rising from the sea. And the sea is?
KJV Revelation 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Then to Revelation 13. Another beast also rising from the sea. A composite of all the previous 4 from Daniel. And all of a sudden this beast is an individual? Please guys show some insight and common sense. Be consistent to interpretation.
The beast of Revelation is also an empire. A political power with global aspirations and a history that incorporates the attributes and cultures of those powers that preceded it. But there's something else. It's also a religious power. It's interested in worship and seeks it's own glory. And it received it's throne and seat and authority from the dragon... Satan. For those who are unfettered by preconceived ideas, an interest in history, and even a cursory understanding of the nature of the powers of Daniel and what this 5th power inherited, it isn't all that difficult to discern the true identity of this beast.

I’d like to point out that the beast represents the kingdom of the world coming up out of the sea. But last and final kingdom comes up from the earth, the bottomless pit who will receive power with ten kings here on earth. As written in Revelation 13.

 

[Oseas]

I disagree, the dragon a (spirit being) will posses the beast a human man, the false prophet is a separate human man

What? ... the dragon a (spirit being)? I invite who has a Bible to know by the Word of GOD who is the dragon:

Revelation 12:v.9 to 13
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the KINGDOM of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth (cast from where? from this heavenly environment where the GOD's people is), he (the dragon-that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world) persecuted (will persecute) the woman which brought forth the man child, and the serpent will cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

And the earth(the 144K) helped (will help) the woman, and the earth (the 144K , symbol of the earth-Israel) opened (will open) her/their mouth, and (will) swallow/ed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

THE END OF THE WORLD OF DEVIL WITH ALL THE NATIONS IS NOW, EVEN NOW, FROM NOW ON, GOD WILL DESTROY-REVELATION 13:V.18-THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH(ISRAEL) FROM WHERE WILL RISE UP OUT THE BEAST, THE MAN BEAST OF EARTH WITH TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB-A FALSE LAMB, AND SPEAKS AS DRAGON.

GOD IS WRATHED.

Get ready

 

[Timtofly]

They would have had to have bodies to produce nephilim with human women, right? But I seem to remember a verse about them now being kept in chains because of this abomination that corrupted all human flesh but Noah.
It is an interesting conversation you guys are having here, because as it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot…except I can’t get it out of my mind that it will be a different way this time…with technology somehow…

Demons don’t have bodies though. They are not the same beings as the angels who produced nephilim…?

It was the sons of God, not angels.

It was Adam's offspring mixing with the sons of God created on the 6th day. Why do people keep insisting that God created angels on the 6th day, instead of the sons of God?

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

These men were the sons of God. Male and female. These intermarried with Adam's genealogy, and only Adam's direct descendant Noah, and his 3 direct descendants, survived the whole mess. So all humanity today came from Noah, who came from Adam.

Before the Flood, only Adam's offspring were corrupted. The sons of God were not born in Adam's fallen image. They were created on the 6th day. But their offspring had mixed offspring with Adam's descendants. Why is this so hard to comprehend in the first 6 chapters of Genesis? There is even two separate and different genealogies given. One for Cain who was not in Adam's fallen image, and one for Seth, who was in Adam's fallen image. But Adam was not a single male created in a vacuum. Read Genesis 1:27 as proof. Eve was not created on day 6. Eve was taken out of Adam many years later.

 

[Earburner]

That is your opinion, and I disagree with it, we have explained our positions

Jesus Is The Lord

I would say that 99% of Christians, who do study their KJV Bible, shall agree with what I have said.

For a simple analogy of beasts and animal appendages, when have you, or anyone seen a "horn" grow a body for itself??
Nope! It's not going to happen.

 

[Earburner]

It was the sons of God, not angels.

It was Adam's offspring mixing with the sons of God created on the 6th day. Why do people keep insisting that God created angels on the 6th day, instead of the sons of God?

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

These men were the sons of God. Male and female. These intermarried with Adam's genealogy, and only Adam's direct descendant Noah, and his 3 direct descendants, survived the whole mess. So all humanity today came from Noah, who came from Adam.

Before the Flood, only Adam's offspring were corrupted. The sons of God were not born in Adam's fallen image. They were created on the 6th day. But their offspring had mixed offspring with Adam's descendants. Why is this so hard to comprehend in the first 6 chapters of Genesis? There is even two separate and different genealogies given. One for Cain who was not in Adam's fallen image, and one for Seth, who was in Adam's fallen image. But Adam was not a single male created in a vacuum. Read Genesis 1:27 as proof. Eve was not created on day 6. Eve was taken out of Adam many years later.

What? Are you saying that there were two types of creations in God's image?
1. The Son's of God of flesh
2. Adam and Eve of flesh
I don't see from where you are getting this in Genesis.
What scriptures reveal that, of what I think you are saying, is so?

 

[Timtofly]

What? Are you saying that there were two types of creations in God's image?
1. The Son's of God of flesh
2. Adam and Eve of flesh
I don't see from where you are getting this in Genesis.
What scriptures reveal that, of what I think you are saying, is so?

Have you read Genesis 1 and 2?

Adam was a son of God created on day 6. Adam was not the only son of God created on day 6. No, only one image. Adam died and lost the son of God image. That is why we are in the condition we are in. Eve was not created on day 6. Read Genesis 2. It will explain what happened.

 

[Earburner]

Adam was a son of God created on day 6. Adam was not the only son of God created on day 6. No, only one image. Adam died and lost the son of God image

At first I was not following your thoughts here, but I think that I am now.
You are saying that when Adam was created, he was given life in his flesh, by way of God breathing into the nostrils of Adam, the Eternal Spirit of the Son of God.
Is that what you are saying?

Edit: you have to admit, the technology of their day wasn't all that great. Moses never did attend Chemistry 101. Therefore, what was really only "oxygenated air", he called it "the breath of life".

And, if if you try to transliterate that in the Greek, you get "pneuma", which is.... Air.

Not to mention that in the KJV, Adam/man "became a living soul", ....he didn't get one!

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I fully agree the beast who will be a human man will be given power of the worlds nations and systems, however (The Beast) isnt a political system as many claim, primarily preterist

It's still a political system, the reason the Last Beast is a man is because unlike the other Beasts who passed on their kingdoms, this last beast arises as the Beast and also falls as the Beast, thus he's the only king of the last Beast System, thus he's the Beast himself.

 

[Earburner]

Until you understand what or who the entities are of the four winds of heaven, and how they are imprisoned, and when they are imprisoned, then this thread has all been about whose conjecture is closer to the truth.

The four winds of heaven are the "Compass points" of N,S,E and W, just like Moses writing about "oxygenated air", calling it "the breath of life".

Jer.49[36] And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds [all directions]....

Mark.13[27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth
to the uttermost part of heaven.
In other words, from wherever they may be, whether they be dead in Christ, or alive and remaining upon the earth at His return.

 

[Jay Ross]

The four winds of heaven are the "Compass points" of N,S,E and W, just like Moses writing about "oxygenated air", calling it "the breath of life".

Jer.49[36] And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds [all directions]....

Mark.13[27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth
to the uttermost part of heaven.
In other words, from wherever they may be, whether they be dead in Christ, or alive and remaining upon the earth at His return.

I would suggest that you are grasping at strays again with your answer. The four winds of heaven in Daniel 7:2 cause the sea of humanity to manifest the dominate characteristic of the respective four beasts that exercised their influence over the peoples of the seas. That is why the Beasts manifested themselves in different people groups and during different time periods since the time of Daniel.

In Mark 13:24-27 Jesus is stating that During the time of the Kings of the earth being judged at the same time that the heavenly hosts are judged, that He will send Hi Angels to Gather His elect, i.e. the Israelites from where they will have been disbursed throughout the earth by the Gentile armies during the 2,300 years that the fallen heavenly hosts had been given and had influence over the various peoples, people groups, nations kingdoms and empires during this 2,300 year prophetic period.

The truth is hidden from you.