"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[GEN2REV]

Lol

Once again, matt 24 is about the great tribulation

Do me a favor. Look to christ and him alone, Stop lookin gat yourself. You do nt meet Gods standard, non of us do.

Chose him now. Because once you get to the day of judgment it is too late

See, there you go off on the wrong track again. Matthew 10 is NOT about the GT. The verse I posted was Matthew 10:22. Very much NOT the GT. And, clearly, Jesus declares that those who endure to the end, ... will be saved.

Those who strive to obey God's Word, and overcome sin via the Holy Spirit, are probably the only ones who look to Christ and the time of judgment with deep sincerity of heart.

Why would you need Him if you cannot be lost and will never be judged? Why would you have any concern, or be in any spiritual battle, if you're already saved and on your way to heaven?

It's only those who endure, and fight, and run the race and wrestle the demonic on a daily basis who truly know God and His power, and, in return, are known by Him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

See, there you go off on the wrong track again. Matthew 10 is NOT about the GT. The verse I posted was Matthew 10:22. Very much NOT the GT. And, clearly, Jesus declares that those who endure to the end, ... will be saved.

Those who strive to obey God's Word, and overcome sin via the Holy Spirit, are probably the only ones who look to Christ and the time of judgment with deep sincerity of heart.

Why would you need Him if you cannot be lost and will never be judged? Why would you have any concern, or be in any spiritual battle, if you're already saved and on your way to heaven?

It's only those who endure, and fight, and run the race and wrestle the demonic on a daily basis who truly know God and His power, and, in return, are known by Him.

If we have to endure to the end, No ONE WILL GET TO HEAVEn

Gods standard is perfection. You need to stop watering down the law

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Ouch.

I like how you forgot to include the OSAS-Obliterating quote, there.

(That was smart. )

As usual, you’ll have to be more specific since you cant understand scripture, heretic.

 

[GEN2REV]

If we have to endure to the end, NO ONE WILL GET TO HEAVEN

Not no one, but few. Just as the Bible declares.
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 7:14

Gods standard is perfection. You need to stop watering down the law

I'm watering DOWN the law ... Hmmm.

You guys sure love to turn things upside down and backwards, don't ya?
Isaiah 29:16

 

[GEN2REV]

As usual, you’ll have to be more specific since you cant understand scripture, heretic.

Right. 'Cause clearly you've completely forgotten by now, ... 2 posts after the horrible ordeal.

This quote here from YOUR WCF Biblical Debate Handbook.

Page 149 of the Official WCF
https://www.opc.org/documents/CFLayout.pdf
Chapter 33 Of the Last Judgment
1. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world, in righteousness, by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.

You 'member that one, right? From post #1104.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Right. 'Cause clearly you've completely forgotten by now, ... 2 posts after the horrible ordeal.

This quote here from YOUR WCF Biblical Debate Handbook.

Page 149 of the Official WCF
https://www.opc.org/documents/CFLayout.pdf
Chapter 33 Of the Last Judgment
1. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world, in righteousness, by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.

You 'member that one, right? From post #1104.

still dont see what your point is with that. The WCF is Biblical, its all legit. And the WCF shows that OSAS is Biblical too.

 

[ScottA]

See, there you go off on the wrong track again. Matthew 10 is NOT about the GT. The verse I posted was Matthew 10:22. Very much NOT the GT. And, clearly, Jesus declares that those who endure to the end, ... will be saved.

Those who strive to obey God's Word, and overcome sin via the Holy Spirit, are probably the only ones who look to Christ and the time of judgment with deep sincerity of heart.

Why would you need Him if you cannot be lost and will never be judged? Why would you have any concern, or be in any spiritual battle, if you're already saved and on your way to heaven?

It's only those who endure, and fight, and run the race and wrestle the demonic on a daily basis who truly know God and His power, and, in return, are known by Him.

I see you are still not "rightly dividing the word of truth", the greatest blunder committed by most of Christendom.

When Paul said "the word of truth" what we should all know he was talking about was specifically the gospel declared by Jesus. But instead, most assume it is not specific to the gospel, but includes some "right" way of looking at all scripture-- which is also true, as it "must be spiritually discerned." But that overlooks the very reason Paul brought it up, which, as he said, is "the word of truth" otherwise known as the gospel of Christ Jesus regarding salvation.

In other words, the truth declared by Jesus in the gospels, has two (2) narratives, one to the house of Israel, and "another" to that other "fold" which He said He must also bring (which are the born again of the spirit of God).

This is the two-edged sword that cuts both ways-- that, yes, must be rightly divided. But you are mixing the two, pitting what He spoke of the dead against the living, and what He spoke of the living against the dead. Do you not know that you offend the little ones who are born again of the spirit of God? Luke 17:2

Whoever has an ear, let them hear!

 

[Taken]

I haven't failed anything 'til the end. Matthew 10:22 "...he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

He that is enduring to the end.....
IS he that is believing to the end of his natural life, and SHALL Be saved.

He that is believing, IS NOT SAVED.
He that is believing, IS depending on his own power, to NOT be influenced BY evil spirits wicked men, and (by his own power), to KEEP believing until his natural death.

While Scripture DOES SAY, if a man endures to his end....He shall be SAVED;
Scripture ALSO gives umpteen WARNINGS, of HOW the WORLD is FULL of evil spirits (more powerful than the power of man)...AND HOW the WORLD is FULL of wicked men ..... WHO sit in seat of power (more powerful than the people THEY govern) AND force men to COMPY with their wickedness, or be subjected to THEIR wicked schemes.

HAVE you not paid attention to HISTORY, of WICKED kings, presidents, etc. TAKING the freedoms of men?
DO you not pay attention to NOW, of WICKED men sitting in POWER seats, TAKING the freedom of men?
(Your must cover your mouth, you can not speak openly, you can not go to church, you can not gather with people, you can not travel, you can not touch people, you can not have this or that, you can not have arms to defend you and yours, you must let them raise your child with their wicked philosophies and ideology, you must let them inject you with poisons, you must accept them as the Savior of your life......???)

DO you NOT SEE, the droves of people, Rejecting God, NOT ENDURING, because THEY acquiesce, follow, and BELIEVE IN (the conniving of) WICKED MEN?
DO you NOT SEE, how easily WICKED men have convinced the majority of the whole World......TO BE DEATHLY AFRAID of something a man can NOT:
See, Hear, Touch, Smell or Taste....? AND...THEY...are the SAVIOR of this concocted “invisible” so called crisis they concocted?

God Himself, by, thought, of Christ Jesus Offered Mankind....
SALVATION NOW. A man accepting Gods OFFERING, IS SAVED NOW...and KEPT SAVED FOREVER. He does NOT “endure” to the end, hoping he can keep believing (BY HIS OWN POWER).

A man enduring to his end (by his own power).....IS A RISK.....a man takes the RISK that he will have the power to resist evil spirits and resist wicked men, by his own power....(without Gods power).

* OPEN EYES....men WITHOUT the Power of God IN them, are RUNNING as fast as they can, TO acquiesce TO the power of Evil and Wickedness.....
All hanging on TWO little words, that Entice and Tempt men;
FEAR and FREE....

God Offered long ago.....
Have the Power of GOD IN A MAN...AND “BE” SAVED.
OR
Go for the RISK, that your power is greater than lurking evil spirits and wicked men in seats of power, and HOPE, you “WILL BE” Saved.

Looking more and more like, the “BE” Saved is FEW...
and the “RISK” of the MAJORITY, is already FAILING to BECOME SAVED.

 

[Taken]

I see you are still not "rightly dividing the word of truth", the greatest blunder committed by most of Christendom.

AGREE!

When Paul said "the word of truth" what we should all know he was talking about was specifically the gospel declared by Jesus. But instead, most assume it is not specific to the gospel, but includes some "right" way of looking at all scripture-- which is also true, as it "must be spiritually discerned." But that overlooks the very reason Paul brought it up, which, as he said, is "the word of truth" otherwise known as the gospel of Christ Jesus regarding salvation.

In other words, the truth declared by Jesus in the gospels, has two (2) narratives, one to the house of Israel, and "another" to that other "fold" which He said He must also bring (which are the born again of the spirit of God).

This is the two-edged sword that cuts both ways-- that, yes, must be rightly divided. But you are mixing the two, pitting what He spoke of the dead against the living, and what He spoke of the living against the dead. Do you not know that you offend the little ones who are born again of the spirit of God? Luke 17:2

Whoever has an ear, let them hear!

All scripture IS TRUE. Period. No debate.
And while men accuse men of “cherry-picking” Scripture....INTENDED to be a derogatory slam.........PFFT...

Heck ya I “cherry-pick”. Why would any man, be so ignorant TO NOT know, DISCERN, WHAT he has chosen to think, believe, do....and thus NOT KNOW which Scriptures DO and DO NOT Apply to him? <- THAT is precisely Dividing the Word of TRUTH.

God Offered, by, through, of Christ Jesus, SALVATION to every man.
My choosing to Accept Gods Offering, was years ago.
And since THAT day years ago, that I accepted Gods Offering...
A GREAT MAJORITY of Scripture, Never Applied to me, and no LONGER APPLIES to me.
(God knows that, I know that....yet, there is no shortage of ignorant, narcissistic, gaslighting men who plainly reveal they have no clue what does and does not apply to them or know why.)

 

[Taken]

See, there you go off on the wrong track again. Matthew 10 is NOT about the GT. The verse I posted was Matthew 10:22. Very much NOT the GT. And, clearly, Jesus declares that those who endure to the end, ... will be saved.

WILL be SAVED.......does not apply to me.
SAVED...................does apply to me.

Those who strive to obey God's Word, and overcome sin via the Holy Spirit, are probably the only ones who look to Christ and the time of judgment with deep sincerity of heart.

Time of Judgement......ALL men, will SEE the Son of Man ascending DOWN from Heaven and Believe and Bow Down to Him. Nothing to do with their HEART. Everything to do with their SIGHT.

Why would you need Him if you cannot be lost and will never be judged?

Need Him?
Uh, My flesh is still physically alive, and daily He meets my needs.

Can not be lost?
It is my soul that IS saved, not subject to separation from God. It is my spirit that IS quickened, not subject to separation from God.

Never be Judged?
What are you talking about? Of course I will be Judged. I look forward to Gods Judgements. Without Gods Judgements, I can not Receive His promise TO SEE HIM as He is, to Receive His promise of a Glorified Body, Crowns, Rewards, Treasures He has stored for me.

Why would you have any concern, or be in any spiritual battle, if you're already saved and on your way to heaven?

I don’t have any spiritual battles.
There is NO PLACE, that spiritual evil lurks that requires me to battle evil.
Do you not know, A man with the POWER OF GOD IN THEM, has the power of God WITH them to command EVIL spirits to Leave your presence and they MUST?

It's only those who endure, and fight, and run the race and wrestle the demonic on a daily basis who truly know God and His power, and, in return, are known by Him.

Boloney!
Enduring is according to an Unsaved mans power.
Saved is according to Gods Power IN a man.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not no one, but few. Just as the Bible declares.
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 7:14
I'm watering DOWN the law ... Hmmm.

You guys sure love to turn things upside down and backwards, don't ya?
Isaiah 29:16

NO ONE

Gods standard is perfection

neither you or I, or anyone else in this room, or on this earth. Has met that standard. So if we have to endure NO ONE WLL MAKE IT.

Your part of the many trying to enter the wide gate, Like the jews. You preach salvation by works. Trying to earn your salvation by how good you are. And how well you can obey and how well you can become like christ or whatever it is you claim like them one has to do to maintain salvation.

Remember what jesus said, There will be many in that day who come and profess all their works they did in Christ’s name. And he will say deep=art for he never knew you. Why? Because you built your house on the sand, it could not be sustained it could not endure. It crashed and burned.

You need to build your house on the rock (christ) so no matter what comes up against it, It will Stand (endure) not because of the house, but because of the foundation.

Any building stands on its foundation

 

[GEN2REV]

still dont see what your point is with that. The WCF is Biblical, its all legit. And the WCF shows that OSAS is Biblical too.

That passage from the WCF is most certainly Biblical.

It does NOT support OSAS in the least since OSAS claims that, once saved, a person cannot and will not be judged and that their deeds have no bearing whatsoever on their salvation.

And don't bother coming back with the "It's only about rewards, or losing rewards." nonsense. It includes the apostate angels who will not be receiving gifts or losing them; they will be judged to damnation for not obeying God's Ways for them. Just as every single human being will be who does not follow God's Ways and obey God's Laws.

 

[GEN2REV]

... if we have to endure NO ONE WLL MAKE IT.

"... those who endure will be saved."
Matthew 10:22
Endure in order to receive the Crown of Life - those who do not endure will not receive life.
James 1:12
We must be strong and put on spiritual armor to wrestle against demons daily.
Ephesians 6:10-12
Those who endure are happy.
James 5:11
We regularly battle tribulations that we must endure.
John 16:33

You preach salvation by works. Trying to earn your salvation by how good you are. And how well you can obey and how well you can become like christ or whatever it is you claim like them one has to do to maintain salvation.

'Earning salvation' and 'striving to live as God Commands' and obeying Him via the Holy Spirit, are two entirely different concepts.

Striving to "earn salvation" is just going through the motions for man's approval without a heart that is committed (circumsized) to God's Ways. It's all about outward appearances, just like the Pharisees and Sadducees lived for adoration and respect of men.

Obeying God's Ways and committing oneself to overcome all sins via the Holy Spirit is an internal, utterly sincere, endeavor that God sees clearly, in contrast to the insincerity of simply going through religious motions for man's approval.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"... those who endure will be saved."
Matthew 10:22
Endure in order to receive the Crown of Life - those who do not endure will not receive life.
James 1:12
We must be strong and put on spiritual armor to wrestle against demons daily.
Ephesians 6:10-12
Those who endure are happy.
James 5:11
We regularly battle tribulations that we must endure.
John 16:33'Earning salvation' and 'striving to live as God Commands' and obeying Him via the Holy Spirit, are two entirely different concepts.

Striving to "earn salvation" is just going through the motions for man's approval without a heart that is committed (circumsized) to God's Ways. It's all about outward appearances, just like the Pharisees and Sadducees lived for adoration and respect of men.

Obeying God's Ways and committing oneself to overcome all sins via the Holy Spirit is an internal, utterly sincere, endeavor that God sees clearly, in contrast to the insincerity of simply going through religious motions for man's approval.

Gal 3:
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

remove the word "galatians" and insert your name, And then take head to the warning Paul has given you

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

That passage from the WCF is most certainly Biblical.

It does NOT support OSAS in the least since OSAS claims that, once saved, a person cannot and will not be judged and that their deeds have no bearing whatsoever on their salvation.

And don't bother coming back with the "It's only about rewards, or losing rewards." nonsense. It includes the apostate angels who will not be receiving gifts or losing them; they will be judged to damnation for not obeying God's Ways for them. Just as every single human being will be who does not follow God's Ways and obey God's Laws.

whoa there turbo. First, OSAS is Biblical and the WCF acknowledge this, but clearly you dont understand OSAS. Yes we will all be judged. But once saved, Jesus’ death and atonement will apply to you. Thats the difference between saved and unsaved… who gets the benefit of Jesus’ atonement. Not sure if you are aware of this, but the L in tulip stands for limited atonement. That means Jesus died for the elect only. As far as deeds, they dont apply to salvation, but of rewards in the case that you are saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

whoa there turbo. First, OSAS is Biblical and the WCF acknowledge this, but clearly you dont understand OSAS. Yes we will all be judged. But once saved, Jesus’ death and atonement will apply to you. Thats the difference between saved and unsaved… who gets the benefit of Jesus’ atonement. Not sure if you are aware of this, but the L in tulip stands for limited atonement. That means Jesus died for the elect only. As far as deeds, they dont apply to salvation, but of rewards in the case that you are saved.

Agree with this post right up to the L in tulip

Christ died for all. But he will not force you to receive his gift of salvation.

Those who will end up condemned, end up condemned because they did not believe not because Christ did not die for their sins.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Agree with this post right up to the L in tulip

Christ died for all. But he will not force you to receive his gift of salvation.

Those who will end up condemned, end up condemned because they did not believe not because Christ did not die for their sins.

if Jesus had died for everyone, and His death was sufficient for everyone’s sins, then no one would goto hell. Jesus died so that the elect could be saved. The elect only!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

if Jesus had died for everyone, and His death was sufficient for everyone’s sins, then no one would goto hell. Jesus died so that the elect could be saved. The elect only!

Nope. His death is sufficient

He who believes is not condemned

He who does not believe is condemned already

No one who goes to hell will go to hell because they committed a person sin. they go to hell because of the sin of unbelief.

That sin will not be atoned for for anyone.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Belief alone wont save you. God has to call you first. I believe yet im not saved. And Jesus died for the elect only, not one more person.

 

[marks]

Belief alone wont save you. God has to call you first. I believe yet im not saved. And Jesus died for the elect only, not one more person.

And why is this important to you?

Much love!