Secure Eternal Salvation

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theefaith

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The church would be led and follow the HS

Your church does not do this

This byu defenition disqualified your church from being the church

Your church follows the people. Who claims to be a ascended of Peter.

you yourself claim it is the men who are in charge Not God

You yourself claim peter is the cornerstone, not christ.

never did

Christ is the cornerstone

Peter is the rock upon which Christ built His ( not you’re’s and not mine, but His) church Matt 16:18

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,

Jn 15:5
 

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Jesus is my Lord

Your lord is your priest who baptized you

news flash You priest did not have the power to take you back 2000 years and baptize you into the death and burial of Christ.

Only God has that power.

God’s ministers

there is no personal covenant!
Communion of saints
 

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Nope.

You follow men, Not the HS, you just said I was wrong for even suggesting that. You can’t back up now

You were never commanded to blindly follow any man, Even peter made mistake and had to be rebuked. No man is perfect

without error Jn 16:13
 

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I never said that ANY of these verses "contradicts" Jesus's wpords in John 6 - your dishonesty, notwithstanding.
In fact, it's been my argument ALL along that it is YOUR arguments that have Jesus contradicting Himself.

I read John 6 in CONTEXT with all of these other verses that show how our cooperation and faithfulness is necesarry for eternal life. YOU, on the other hand, take Jesus's words in John 6 about those who eat the Bread of Life as being guaranteed eternal life - regard;less of what the rest of Scripture says about bremaining faithful.
John 6:54 is CONDITIONAL on theose other verses.

What you have done here is what is known as "projection" - YOU prohecting YOUR flaws onto someoone else . . .
Yet using your interpretation of John 6

THEY DO CONTRADICT

You can deny it all you want. it does not make it a fact.

Jesus said, whoever eats this bread WILL NOT DIE (MY INTEPRPRETATION)... he never said they MIGHT NOT DIE (YOUR INTERPRETATION)
 

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No - I asked you FIRST.
YOU stated:

Now - PROVE that by showing me the Chapter and Verse that teaches this.

THEN
, I will answer your question . . .
I gave you the answer.

The way to get into the kingdom is to be saved.

Jesus said blessed are the poor (bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

This should give us a clue. the thing is, will you notice this clue or continue to deny it
 

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never did

Christ is the cornerstone

Peter is the rock upon which Christ built His ( not you’re’s and not mine, but His) church Matt 16:18

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the chthere is the cornerstone

then their are the foundation stones

Peter, John,. James, Paul, Mathew, etc etc etc. these are all foundation stones. all equal. not one more important that the others.

You should look up how a building is built. It is not built one stone up at a time, then all the rest of the foundation and walls are added after that.

It is layed on the foundation. Then the foundation stones are placed. then the rest of the building is built on that foundation.

Ever person who came after the apostles is a wall. Not a foundation stone, the foundation was already layed.

Your building would crumble if it was an actual building, it would never stand
 

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I gave you the answer.

The way to get into the kingdom is to be saved.

Jesus said blessed are the poor (bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

This should give us a clue. the thing is, will you notice this clue or continue to deny it

That’s not what poor in spirit means!

you can be wealthy and be poor in spirit!’

the poor are detached from goods, so poor in spirit is to be detached from goods in your heart!
 

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it's been my argument ALL along that it is YOUR arguments

since 'catholic' literally means 'universal' i've decided to call myself a catholic.

i believe God has sheep all over the world; some among wolves, some among goats, probably some among gnomes & faeries - God knows.
John 10.

would you please ask your associate Mssr. Webster if he is amenable to my decision?
 
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Christ appointed peter pope and head of the church Matt 16:18

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30

All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30


JESUS OF NAZARETH

1 Corinthians 3:11
 
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No - I asked you FIRST.
YOU stated:

Now - PROVE that by showing me the Chapter and Verse that teaches this.

THEN
, I will answer your question . . .

it is simple to the one who has understanding, and impossible for the one who does not.

the audience of Matthew 18:18 is all His disciples ((see Matthew 18:1)); not Peter alone until 18:21 - Peter who had the wrong answer and was rebuked by God in Matthew 18:22. Matthew 18:18, spoken to all His disciples, is perfect tense -- the word of God to all His disciples is literally, whatever you bind shall have already been bound and whatever you loose shall have already been loosed. pay attention to the temporal reference God makes here. it is already past tense before the disciple binds or looses; a finished & perfected thing with God before he or she speaks it on earth. the authority is in heaven, not in man; see Matthew 28:18, and Philippians 2:13

put that fact together with Isaiah 65:24 and you have the teaching you sought.

see? God anticipated papism. He put it's rebuke in His book, far ahead of time. it proves He is God.

unless you'd rather have scripture set against itself, that is. but then you would be wrong.
& you don't prefer holding blasphemously self-contradictory doctrine and causing others to stumble with false teaching, do you? nobody likes that. well maybe sycophants like it. but no one who thinks.
 
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there is no personal covenant!

Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love Me, he will keep My words:
and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him,
and make Our abode with him.

(John 14:23)

Thus saith the LORD:
Cursed be the man that trusteth in man
(Jeremiah 17:5)

all His covenants are personal. in Genesis 15, Abraham fell into a deep sleep ((see Genesis 2))
and God passed between the parts, alone - in two visages with a flame and smoke between.
it is God who wills and works, and God knows that every pope at his best is worthless ((Psalm 39:5)) - as all men

worship God and Him only
there is no one without sin.
not Peter. not Mary. not your saints-declared-by-men. not your statuaries;
neither your beads nor any ((every)) high hill.
no one but God:

JESUS OF NAZARETH
 
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catholics are not Christians?

Pretty sure a person calling themselves a Christian is believing Jesus is the Christ, and Jesus’ Father exclusively IS the Holy Father.

John 17
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said...
[11] ...Holy Father...
 

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That’s not what poor in spirit means!

you can be wealthy and be poor in spirit!’

the poor are detached from goods, so poor in spirit is to be detached from goods in your heart!
At is totally wrong

The greek word used for poor is literally to be bankrupt. To be completely broken, destitute, have no hope. To be a bigger because you have nothing and cannot support yourself

A wealthy person would be like a health person. They do not need help.